Bitcoin Forum
May 26, 2018, 08:25:31 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.16.0  [Torrent]. (New!)
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 [43] 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 ... 718 »
  Print  
Author Topic: IOTA  (Read 1310497 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.
Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 05:27:31 PM
 #841

so it's better to skip very usefull things due to 0.1% uncertainty?
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.

ethereum for instance is great and i have to admit that these guys are very good in reaching the external
market but for real nano payments ethereum fees are to expensive. iota could shine here but for this it is
necessary to throw the 100% claim on everything over board.

it's much more simple. things has to work for it's usage scenario. they don't have to be perfect.
this 100% claim is a weak point within the whole cryptosphere and prevents mass market adaption.

I think it all depends on what market is targetted. I'll create a 100% QC-proof solution, someone could adapt it for "casual" markets.
1527366331
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1527366331

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1527366331
Reply with quote  #2

1527366331
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1527366331
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1527366331

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1527366331
Reply with quote  #2

1527366331
Report to moderator
1527366331
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1527366331

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1527366331
Reply with quote  #2

1527366331
Report to moderator
1527366331
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1527366331

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1527366331
Reply with quote  #2

1527366331
Report to moderator
nexern
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 597
Merit: 500



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 06:11:39 PM
 #842


100% is an illusion, nothing is 100% if your resolution is high enough.
an asymptotically nearing, granted but mother nature shows us every day,
that 'good enough to work' is sufficient and probably also the optimum
to run everything.

however, would be nice to see something like the com-wallet hybrid
i mentioned before.

Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 06:28:50 PM
 #843

100% is an illusion

I disagree. One-time pad seeded with message digest gives 100% unbreakable encryption.
nexern
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 597
Merit: 500



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 06:56:15 PM
 #844

100% is an illusion

I disagree. One-time pad seeded with message digest gives 100% unbreakable encryption.

disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.

superresistant
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 1071



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:15:49 PM
 #845

 
Alright, let's get back to brainstorming.
So far we have :
 - encrypted email
 - encrypted message
 - storage
 - nano payment

What about decentralized social networking ? Decentralized identity ?
iotatoken
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714
Merit: 500


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:17:41 PM
 #846


Alright, let's get back to brainstorming.
So far we have :
 - encrypted email
 - encrypted message
 - storage
 - nano payment

What about decentralized social networking ? Decentralized identity ?


No need to just focus on the decentral and encrypted nature, pay per second streaming is another really good potential

BitcoinForumator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:23:34 PM
 #847


Alright, let's get back to brainstorming.
So far we have :
 - encrypted email
 - encrypted message
 - storage
 - nano payment

What about decentralized social networking ? Decentralized identity ?


Synereo?
Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
 #848

disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.

I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.
superresistant
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 1071



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
 #849

disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.

The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.
Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
 #850

The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.

I'm not going to start a religious dispute now. Smiley
Hueristic
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1638
Merit: 1029


Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 07:55:33 PM
 #851

The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.

I'm not going to start a religious dispute now. Smiley

Math may be universal but without a unified theory we do not have the correct math. Wink

BITSLER                 ▄███
               ▄████▀
             ▄████▀
           ▄████▀  ▄██▄
         ▄████▀    ▀████▄
       ▄████▀        ▀████▄
     ▄████▀            ▀████▄
   ▄████▀                ▀████▄
 ▄████▀ ▄████▄      ▄████▄ ▀████▄
█████   ██████      ██████   █████
 ▀████▄ ▀████▀      ▀████▀ ▄████▀
   ▀████▄                ▄████▀
     ▀████▄            ▄████▀
       ▀████▄        ▄████▀
         ▀████▄    ▄████▀
           ▀████▄▄████▀
             ▀██████▀
               ▀▀▀▀
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄            
▄▄▄▄▀▀▀▀    ▄▄█▄▄ ▀▀▄         
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄      
█  ▀▄▄  ▀█▀▀ ▄      ▀████   ▀▀▄   
█ █▄  ▀▄   ▀████       ▀▀ ▄██▄ ▀▀▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█  ▀▀       ▀▄▄ ▀████      ▄▄▄▀▀▀  █
█            ▄ ▀▄    ▄▄▄▀▀▀   ▄▄  █
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█ ▄▄   ███   ▀██  █           ▀▀  █ 
█ ███  ▀██       █        ▄▄      █ 
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀  
▀▄            █        ▀▀      █  
▀▀▄   ███▄  █   ▄▄          █   
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀    
▀▀▄   █   ▀▀▄▄▄▀▀▀         
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█▄▄▀▀▀▀              
              ▄▄▄██████▄▄▄
          ▄▄████████████████▄▄
        ▄██████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████▄
▄     ▄█████▀             ▀█████▄
██▄▄ █████▀                ▀█████
 ████████            ▄██      █████
  ████████▄         ███▀       ████▄
  █████████▀▀     ▄███▀        █████
   █▀▀▀          █████         █████
     ▄▄▄         ████          █████
   █████          ▀▀           ████▀
    █████                     █████
     █████▄                 ▄█████
      ▀█████▄             ▄█████▀
        ▀██████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██████▀
          ▀▀████████████████▀▀
              ▀▀▀██████▀▀▀
            ▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
         ▄█▀▀▀ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▀▀▀█▄
       █▀▀ ▄█████████████▄ ▀▀█
     █▀▀ ███████████████████ ▀▀█
    █▀ ███████████████████████ ▀█
   █▀ ███████████████▀▀ ███████ ▀█
 ▄█▀ ██████████████▀      ▀█████ ▀█▄
███ ███████████▀▀            ▀▀██ ███
███ ███████▀▀                     ███
███ ▀▀▀▀                          ███
▀██▄                             ▄██▀
  ▀█▄                            ▀▀
    █▄       █▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█
     █▄      ▀█████████▀
      ▀█▄      ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
        ▀▀█▄▄  ▄▄▄
            ▀▀█████
[]
iotatoken
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714
Merit: 500


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 08:01:35 PM
 #852

This will quickly descend into a debate of Platonism vs its alternatives. If you are a strong platonist supporter I recommend 'Our Mathematical Universe' (2014) by Max Tegmark. Gets really trippy really fast.

But let's stay on topic of IOTA in here Smiley

nexern
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 597
Merit: 500



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
 #853

disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.

I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.

no aliens needed here. but it is always good we have at least 'something' we can rely on even if it's just a snapshot i guess.
meanwhile quantum eraser experiments tells us we shouldn't rely to much on this so i will put this phrase into the 'hope dies last' box.

Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 08:03:01 PM
 #854

Math may be universal but without a unified theory we do not have the correct math. Wink

We were talking about 100% in some variant of math. In that math it's exactly 100%. If you use another math then "100%" claim doesn't make sense in it.
nexern
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 597
Merit: 500



View Profile
November 26, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
 #855

This will quickly descend into a debate of Platonism vs its alternatives. If you are a strong platonist supporter I recommend 'Our Mathematical Universe' (2014) by Max Tegmark. Gets really trippy really fast.

But let's stay on topic of IOTA in here Smiley

harhar, i guess your hackles lining up atm if you read all this crypto/meta nonsense and you are right.
IOTA has promising capabilities, i recommend to shift your app/usage ideas a little into the commercial,
mass market direction, ofc only if you intend to reach out for this segment.

i think also that storage related apps and e-governing/prediction market as tobo mentioned are great areas
but this needs more informations about IOTAs storage handling/strategies.

Come-from-Beyond
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007

Newbie


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
 #856

Those who use Android, post your screen resolution, please.
martismartis
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1133
Merit: 1000


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
 #857

Those who use Android, post your screen resolution, please.

480x854 Smiley
Hueristic
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1638
Merit: 1029


Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it


View Profile
November 26, 2015, 11:32:08 PM
 #858

Math may be universal but without a unified theory we do not have the correct math. Wink

We were talking about 100% in some variant of math. In that math it's exactly 100%. If you use another math then "100%" claim doesn't make sense in it.

Ahh, there you go bringing "Context" into the equation. Smiley

BITSLER                 ▄███
               ▄████▀
             ▄████▀
           ▄████▀  ▄██▄
         ▄████▀    ▀████▄
       ▄████▀        ▀████▄
     ▄████▀            ▀████▄
   ▄████▀                ▀████▄
 ▄████▀ ▄████▄      ▄████▄ ▀████▄
█████   ██████      ██████   █████
 ▀████▄ ▀████▀      ▀████▀ ▄████▀
   ▀████▄                ▄████▀
     ▀████▄            ▄████▀
       ▀████▄        ▄████▀
         ▀████▄    ▄████▀
           ▀████▄▄████▀
             ▀██████▀
               ▀▀▀▀
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄            
▄▄▄▄▀▀▀▀    ▄▄█▄▄ ▀▀▄         
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄      
█  ▀▄▄  ▀█▀▀ ▄      ▀████   ▀▀▄   
█ █▄  ▀▄   ▀████       ▀▀ ▄██▄ ▀▀▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█  ▀▀       ▀▄▄ ▀████      ▄▄▄▀▀▀  █
█            ▄ ▀▄    ▄▄▄▀▀▀   ▄▄  █
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█ ▄▄   ███   ▀██  █           ▀▀  █ 
█ ███  ▀██       █        ▄▄      █ 
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀  
▀▄            █        ▀▀      █  
▀▀▄   ███▄  █   ▄▄          █   
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀    
▀▀▄   █   ▀▀▄▄▄▀▀▀         
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█▄▄▀▀▀▀              
              ▄▄▄██████▄▄▄
          ▄▄████████████████▄▄
        ▄██████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████▄
▄     ▄█████▀             ▀█████▄
██▄▄ █████▀                ▀█████
 ████████            ▄██      █████
  ████████▄         ███▀       ████▄
  █████████▀▀     ▄███▀        █████
   █▀▀▀          █████         █████
     ▄▄▄         ████          █████
   █████          ▀▀           ████▀
    █████                     █████
     █████▄                 ▄█████
      ▀█████▄             ▄█████▀
        ▀██████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██████▀
          ▀▀████████████████▀▀
              ▀▀▀██████▀▀▀
            ▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
         ▄█▀▀▀ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▀▀▀█▄
       █▀▀ ▄█████████████▄ ▀▀█
     █▀▀ ███████████████████ ▀▀█
    █▀ ███████████████████████ ▀█
   █▀ ███████████████▀▀ ███████ ▀█
 ▄█▀ ██████████████▀      ▀█████ ▀█▄
███ ███████████▀▀            ▀▀██ ███
███ ███████▀▀                     ███
███ ▀▀▀▀                          ███
▀██▄                             ▄██▀
  ▀█▄                            ▀▀
    █▄       █▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█
     █▄      ▀█████████▀
      ▀█▄      ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
        ▀▀█▄▄  ▄▄▄
            ▀▀█████
[]
WorldCoiner
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 742
Merit: 586


@altcoindad


View Profile WWW
November 27, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
 #859

This will quickly descend into a debate of Platonism vs its alternatives. If you are a strong platonist supporter I recommend 'Our Mathematical Universe' (2014) by Max Tegmark. Gets really trippy really fast.

But let's stay on topic of IOTA in here Smiley



...back to topic. Screen resolution Wiko Rainbow (Chinese No Name android phone): 720 x 1280

Co-Host of the Altcoin Meetup Switzerland
Director at Forctis AG - Building the next revolution in Blockchain: Forctis.io
Strategic Advisor of the Blockchain projects Smart Containers and Mt Pelerin
Jimmy2011
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 588
Merit: 500



View Profile
November 27, 2015, 06:57:30 AM
 #860

disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.

I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.

Math is universal, that is science related, but the reality is physical engineering, which will be improved a lot by Physics. Say something beyond Quantum, that will break the present Math. It is not 100%, but  greater than 0% for sure. So I doubt 100% in the end. We can just say 100% at present and not 100% universal.

Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 [43] 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 ... 718 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!