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December 11, 2015, 12:51:23 PM
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@CfB it's bloody ugly  Cheesy

I see only 50 colors and they are all grayscale. Cheesy
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December 11, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
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Exactly the same three colors as on CFB-s avatar.

CfBs avatar has 4 colors. Tongue

You you look you'll notice that the color of 999'999'999 is more "white" then other white parts. So its the same 4 colors.

I wasn't comparing colors, just the count.  It was mentioned that CfBs logo has 3 colors, where I count 4-- white, black and two shades of grey.

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"I'd be willing to make a moderate "investment" if the value of the BTC went below $2.00.  Otherwise I'll just have to live with my 5 BTC and be happy. :/"  ...sigh.  If only I knew.
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December 11, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
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Do you notice notes about Nigerian prince ?  Grin
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December 11, 2015, 12:58:07 PM
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It was mentioned that CfBs logo has 3 colors, where I count 4-- white, black and two shades of grey.

This reminded me:

What colors these pills are?
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December 11, 2015, 01:13:06 PM
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Great work Come-from-Beyond. Looking forward to the launch.

One "important" question to the future IOTA-Community: How should we name the "mini-IOTA" (you know the ones after the decimal point, the "Satoshis" of IOTA)?

Come-from-Beyond, any suggestions?

I will throw Sergi into the ring what reflects somehow 2 members of the IOTA-team.  Wink

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December 11, 2015, 01:17:06 PM
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Come-from-Beyond, any suggestions?

Nanoiotas. To avoid the problem of Ethereum users who have to memorize a lot of unit names.
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December 11, 2015, 01:22:17 PM
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Come-from-Beyond, any suggestions?

Nanoiotas. To avoid the problem of Ethereum users who have to memorize a lot of unit names.

Thanks - Makes sense!  Smiley

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December 11, 2015, 01:29:34 PM
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If we just append the first letter or two of many of the metric prefixes, we could have units like iota (1), diota (.1) daiota or daota (DOW-ta) for pronounciation(10), Kiota, Miota (100, 1,000,000) and Niota/Nanota/Nano-iota (.000000001)

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December 11, 2015, 01:31:31 PM
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Here is a monochromatic interface of the reference implementation:
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Confirmation score is not shown to keep the interface as grandma-friendly as possible.

Hope you'll find a good designer to provide a good design. This a very important factor of marketing.
Sadly most people in the crypto community narrow their view in the nerd space and don't see it:
Only with a professional design the product can be treated as professional in general...

If we just append the first letter or two of many of the metric prefixes, we could have units like iota (1), diota (.1) daiota or daota (DOW-ta) for pronounciation(10), Kiota, Miota (100, 1,000,000) and Niota/Nanota/Nano-iota (.000000001)

yea, just make it more complicated. I am sure the masses are able to follow Wink
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December 11, 2015, 01:40:12 PM
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yea, just make it more complicated. I am sure the masses are able to follow Wink

Though I understand your point, that also doesn't mean that they will all be used frequently.  When is the last time you've mentioned a Dekameter in a sentence?  It's a legit word but it doesn't get much use.  How about hectoliters?

Realistically, people will likely only mention "iota", "nano-iota" and possibly a larger set( say, one for 1,000,000.)  That doesn't mean it can't be reasonably and logically subdivided.

A Personal Quote on BTT from 2011:
"I'd be willing to make a moderate "investment" if the value of the BTC went below $2.00.  Otherwise I'll just have to live with my 5 BTC and be happy. :/"  ...sigh.  If only I knew.
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December 11, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

Thank you
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December 11, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

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1. 999'999'999.999999999
2. Correct
3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms
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December 11, 2015, 09:38:55 PM
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How many Transactions per second you expect Iota will be able to handle in:

after release?
after 1 year?
after 5 years?
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December 11, 2015, 10:55:40 PM
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How many Transactions per second you expect Iota will be able to handle in:

after release?
after 1 year?
after 5 years?

TPS is not capped, high load just increases confirmation time.

PS: We should stop thinking in blockchain categories. There are no blocks, transaction size is not capped, number of transactions is not capped.
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December 12, 2015, 04:07:13 AM
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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

Thank you

1. 999'999'999.999999999
2. Correct
3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms

Thanks. Still trying to wrap my head around it.  Will transactions be searchable, via an explorer?
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December 12, 2015, 05:04:41 AM
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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

Thank you

1. 999'999'999.999999999
2. Correct
3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms

Thanks. Still trying to wrap my head around it.  Will transactions be searchable, via an explorer?

I know of one guy that has said he'll make an explorer for IOTA

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December 12, 2015, 11:50:25 AM
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How many Transactions per second you expect Iota will be able to handle in:

after release?
after 1 year?
after 5 years?

TPS is not capped, high load just increases confirmation time.

PS: We should stop thinking in blockchain categories. There are no blocks, transaction size is not capped, number of transactions is not capped.
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December 12, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

Thank you

1. 999'999'999.999999999
2. Correct
3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms

Thanks. Still trying to wrap my head around it.  Will transactions be searchable, via an explorer?

I know of one guy that has said he'll make an explorer for IOTA
It brings great news for us

www.iotatoken.com                      https://twitter.com/iotatoken
Iota is a brand new and novel micro-transaction cryptotoken optimized for the Internet-of-Things (IoT). Unlike the complex and heavy blockchains of Bitcoin and the like, which were designed with other uses in mind, Iota is created to be as lightweight as possible, hence the name "Iota" with emphasis on the ‘IoT’ part.
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December 12, 2015, 04:40:01 PM
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I'm having an impossible time understanding how the IOTA project is viable. It aims to service the IoT niche. However, Bitcoin already is tackling this niche in a variety of ways. Let's remember that BTC has first mover advantage & network effect (should not be underestimated), as well as hundreds of millions of $ in funding distributed among projects aiming to directly/indirectly make BTC & IoT a reality.

1.   Lightning (IoT vision with nano-payments, unlimited transactions after opening channel, infinitesimally low fees) -- ETA: 3 months for testnet version / Pre-reqs: CLTV (already active), CSV (active within 2 months), malleability fix via SW (active within 3 months).

2.   21, Inc. (explicit vision of IoT, $120+ million funding, relationships with top computer networking companies like Qualcomm, Broadcom, Cisco, Intel, etc.) -- already out with a very hype-ey, successful 21 bitcoin computer MVP that is attracting a lot of attention from Silicon Valley types / Vision of mass market, low-cost/free chip as final product integrated at the scale of millions into consumer electronics devices (and, like I said, the crucial *relationships* with vendors to realistically make this happen).

3.   Sidechains that are 2-way-pegged (Blockstream is working directly on this problem, Paul Sztorc of Bitcoin Hivemind is also working on it with Drivechain) -- Once available, this means essentially any blockchain tech can be custom created and pegged to BTC. If we need a custom designed IoT-specific blockchain, then no problem, sidechain functionality will exist to facilitate it (just like Sergio Lerner's RootStock is taking advantage of right now, with their recently released white paper, but *by building on top of BTC via a sidechain* -- not as a separate block chain)

As for this marketing about quantum-resistance, this is a far-off/futuristic problem. If we have learned anything from history, it is that technological problems are always resolved, one way or another. There is currently $6 billion USD of incentive to solve the quantum problem (plus whatever other problems exist), and that incentive will only be increasing in coming years. It's difficult to see how the argument can be made that such problems spell doom for BTC & so somehow justify IOTA?

Let's assume that magically what I've said so far is addressed sufficiently.

What is the plan for IOTA to actually gain traction? So far, what I see is: "we hope the community will work hard to bring success". Really? This is the plan, and people are throwing 1,000 BTC at this 'castle in the sky'? Presumably, only because of the name recognition of 'come from beyond' backing it, just like Ethereum attracted attention mainly because of Vitalik's backing.

If I'm wrong about all this, then I look forward to a comprehensive refutation Wink

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HI CFB, I haven't had the time to read the white paper but can you help answer a couple questions?

1. Is 999,999,999. the total supply of IOTA in existence?
2. There is no inflationary model or mining, correct?
3. Can you explain Iota's ability to communicate with other Blockchains?

Thank you

1. 999'999'999.999999999
2. Correct
3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms
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December 12, 2015, 05:03:28 PM
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3. Every transaction can have extra data attached, this can be used to host data interpreted by other blockchains/platforms

How do you want this to work? The PoW is ternary based, the data (in case for other blockchains is) binary so it would have to be encoded in ternary to compute a hash over it. And then you  encode the ternary data in binary for transmission over UDP?

Somewhere you mention to use UDP over IPv6, how do 'Messages' and 'Transactions' relate? Multiple messages (and  signatures) per transaction? Seems to me that this will cause a bloat in the tangle database. But of course no models for typical network use scenarios. so its only a feeling.
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