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March 27, 2016, 12:47:13 AM
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And MOIN needs your votes!

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Home/Voting

Voted. BTW, MOIN is on a first place!
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equality with TigerCoin :/
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equality with TigerCoin :/

Up 3 now!
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equality with TigerCoin :/

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... 6   Cool


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March 27, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
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The MOIN github repo has moved and can now be found here:
https://github.com/MOIN/MOIN

I've also added a bootstrap file (created 26-03-2016) for a quick initial sync:
https://github.com/MOIN/bootstrap

And the blockchain for an even quickerer one  Wink:
https://github.com/MOIN/blockchain


If you haven't already please have a read of this post and vote on whether or not we should move to PoS v3.

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March 28, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
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It looks like MOIN is joining to AZURE  Shocked


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March 28, 2016, 09:01:28 PM
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It looks like MOIN is joining to AZURE  Shocked


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wow Azure! https://github.com/Azure/azure-quickstart-templates/pull/1490
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Nice to see MOIN progressing! 
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why?  Huh Huh

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why?  Huh Huh

This is part of how proof of stake functions.  You can learn in detail @ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake

But the part you are looking for I will paste here and highlight:
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Mining Process
1) Block meeting work difficulty target is mined. Difficulty target periodically adjusted so that 1 PoW block arrives every 10 minutes.

2) Work submission is hashed 10 times consecutively. Each consecutive hash maps to an individual unspent output in the blockchain. This is essentially a lottery drawing two sets of five winners. The first five hashes map to mandatory signatures, the final five hashses map to voluntary signatures.

3) If the mandatory signatures map to active public keys [see glossary], the block can potentially be valid. Otherwise, the block is invalid and must be discarded.

4) If PoW miner finds a potentially valid block, he transmits the following hash to the network: {work submission;hash(his block, the previous valid block)}

5) If the work submission meets the difficulty target and maps to active signatories, then the block is relayed through the network. Otherwise, the message is dropped as spam.

5) The first five selected signatories sequentially sign this hash and transmit it onwards as {work submission; hash; sig 1; sig 2; sig 3; sig 4; sig 5}

6) After the mandatory signature sequence is complete, the final signatory publishes the PoW block and also his own PoS block.

7) The final five hashes map to voluntary signatures. These voluntary signatures can be inserted into any block within the next 6 blocks as special txns. These txns do not require fees.

9) Go to step 1

Note: This process is simultaneous so that multiple block hashes can circulate in the network attempting to collect five signatures and generate PoW/PoS block pairs. Block pairs that lose this race are orphaned.

In simple terms.  Someone else ended up solving the block first.
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why?  Huh Huh

This is part of how proof of stake functions.  You can learn in detail @ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake

But the part you are looking for I will paste here and highlight:
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Mining Process
1) Block meeting work difficulty target is mined. Difficulty target periodically adjusted so that 1 PoW block arrives every 10 minutes.

2) Work submission is hashed 10 times consecutively. Each consecutive hash maps to an individual unspent output in the blockchain. This is essentially a lottery drawing two sets of five winners. The first five hashes map to mandatory signatures, the final five hashses map to voluntary signatures.

3) If the mandatory signatures map to active public keys [see glossary], the block can potentially be valid. Otherwise, the block is invalid and must be discarded.

4) If PoW miner finds a potentially valid block, he transmits the following hash to the network: {work submission;hash(his block, the previous valid block)}

5) If the work submission meets the difficulty target and maps to active signatories, then the block is relayed through the network. Otherwise, the message is dropped as spam.

5) The first five selected signatories sequentially sign this hash and transmit it onwards as {work submission; hash; sig 1; sig 2; sig 3; sig 4; sig 5}

6) After the mandatory signature sequence is complete, the final signatory publishes the PoW block and also his own PoS block.

7) The final five hashes map to voluntary signatures. These voluntary signatures can be inserted into any block within the next 6 blocks as special txns. These txns do not require fees.

9) Go to step 1

Note: This process is simultaneous so that multiple block hashes can circulate in the network attempting to collect five signatures and generate PoW/PoS block pairs. Block pairs that lose this race are orphaned.

In simple terms.  Someone else ended up solving the block first.

but it already 2 hour an still not recived to my ballance.. still 'unconfirmed'

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March 29, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
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but it already 2 hour an still not recived to my ballance.. still 'unconfirmed'

Correct.  You can see in your screen shot it is "Generated but not accepted".  This is also known as an orphan.  You can see in my last post what that is and how it is a normal part of the proof of stake process.  There are orphans on proof of work as well but that doesn't matter for MOIN because this is purely proof of stake. 

So what happens to those coins?  They will stake again and most likely next time the block will be accepted and you will receive the reward.  I encourage you to look at the link I posted for you if you want to understand it better than I can explain.
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but it already 2 hour an still not recived to my ballance.. still 'unconfirmed'

Correct.  You can see in your screen shot it is "Generated but not accepted".  This is also known as an orphan.  You can see in my last post what that is and how it is a normal part of the proof of stake process.  There are orphans on proof of work as well but that doesn't matter for MOIN because this is purely proof of stake. 

So what happens to those coins?  They will stake again and most likely next time the block will be accepted and you will receive the reward.  I encourage you to look at the link I posted for you if you want to understand it better than I can explain.

where is the link?

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but it already 2 hour an still not recived to my ballance.. still 'unconfirmed'

Correct.  You can see in your screen shot it is "Generated but not accepted".  This is also known as an orphan.  You can see in my last post what that is and how it is a normal part of the proof of stake process.  There are orphans on proof of work as well but that doesn't matter for MOIN because this is purely proof of stake.  

So what happens to those coins?  They will stake again and most likely next time the block will be accepted and you will receive the reward.  I encourage you to look at the link I posted for you if you want to understand it better than I can explain.

where is the link?

Here is a copy of it  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake


Like I mentioned the part about orphans is in this section

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Mining Process
1) Block meeting work difficulty target is mined. Difficulty target periodically adjusted so that 1 PoW block arrives every 10 minutes.

2) Work submission is hashed 10 times consecutively. Each consecutive hash maps to an individual unspent output in the blockchain. This is essentially a lottery drawing two sets of five winners. The first five hashes map to mandatory signatures, the final five hashses map to voluntary signatures.

3) If the mandatory signatures map to active public keys [see glossary], the block can potentially be valid. Otherwise, the block is invalid and must be discarded.

4) If PoW miner finds a potentially valid block, he transmits the following hash to the network: {work submission;hash(his block, the previous valid block)}

5) If the work submission meets the difficulty target and maps to active signatories, then the block is relayed through the network. Otherwise, the message is dropped as spam.

5) The first five selected signatories sequentially sign this hash and transmit it onwards as {work submission; hash; sig 1; sig 2; sig 3; sig 4; sig 5}

6) After the mandatory signature sequence is complete, the final signatory publishes the PoW block and also his own PoS block.

7) The final five hashes map to voluntary signatures. These voluntary signatures can be inserted into any block within the next 6 blocks as special txns. These txns do not require fees.

9) Go to step 1

Note: This process is simultaneous so that multiple block hashes can circulate in the network attempting to collect five signatures and generate PoW/PoS block pairs. Block pairs that lose this race are orphaned.

if you search for orphaned blocks on google you can find a bunch more info too.
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why?  Huh Huh

This is part of how proof of stake functions.  You can learn in detail @ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake

But the part you are looking for I will paste here and highlight:
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Mining Process
1) Block meeting work difficulty target is mined. Difficulty target periodically adjusted so that 1 PoW block arrives every 10 minutes.

2) Work submission is hashed 10 times consecutively. Each consecutive hash maps to an individual unspent output in the blockchain. This is essentially a lottery drawing two sets of five winners. The first five hashes map to mandatory signatures, the final five hashses map to voluntary signatures.

3) If the mandatory signatures map to active public keys [see glossary], the block can potentially be valid. Otherwise, the block is invalid and must be discarded.

4) If PoW miner finds a potentially valid block, he transmits the following hash to the network: {work submission;hash(his block, the previous valid block)}

5) If the work submission meets the difficulty target and maps to active signatories, then the block is relayed through the network. Otherwise, the message is dropped as spam.

5) The first five selected signatories sequentially sign this hash and transmit it onwards as {work submission; hash; sig 1; sig 2; sig 3; sig 4; sig 5}

6) After the mandatory signature sequence is complete, the final signatory publishes the PoW block and also his own PoS block.

7) The final five hashes map to voluntary signatures. These voluntary signatures can be inserted into any block within the next 6 blocks as special txns. These txns do not require fees.

9) Go to step 1

Note: This process is simultaneous so that multiple block hashes can circulate in the network attempting to collect five signatures and generate PoW/PoS block pairs. Block pairs that lose this race are orphaned.

In simple terms.  Someone else ended up solving the block first.

but it already 2 hour an still not recived to my ballance.. still 'unconfirmed'

Try repairwallet command on a console.
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April 01, 2016, 12:51:22 AM
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Try repairwallet command on a console.

I appreciate the attempt to help but there is nothing to fix here, running that command will have no effect on nara's situation. 

Read my responses to nara if you are interested in learning about orphan blocks.
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April 01, 2016, 04:14:51 AM
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I still do not quite understand  Grin

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April 01, 2016, 04:45:29 AM
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I still do not quite understand  Grin


I am not sure how to explain it better right now.

I gave you the full detailed explanation:

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Mining Process
1) Block meeting work difficulty target is mined. Difficulty target periodically adjusted so that 1 PoW block arrives every 10 minutes.

2) Work submission is hashed 10 times consecutively. Each consecutive hash maps to an individual unspent output in the blockchain. This is essentially a lottery drawing two sets of five winners. The first five hashes map to mandatory signatures, the final five hashses map to voluntary signatures.

3) If the mandatory signatures map to active public keys [see glossary], the block can potentially be valid. Otherwise, the block is invalid and must be discarded.

4) If PoW miner finds a potentially valid block, he transmits the following hash to the network: {work submission;hash(his block, the previous valid block)}

5) If the work submission meets the difficulty target and maps to active signatories, then the block is relayed through the network. Otherwise, the message is dropped as spam.

5) The first five selected signatories sequentially sign this hash and transmit it onwards as {work submission; hash; sig 1; sig 2; sig 3; sig 4; sig 5}

6) After the mandatory signature sequence is complete, the final signatory publishes the PoW block and also his own PoS block.

7) The final five hashes map to voluntary signatures. These voluntary signatures can be inserted into any block within the next 6 blocks as special txns. These txns do not require fees.

9) Go to step 1

Note: This process is simultaneous so that multiple block hashes can circulate in the network attempting to collect five signatures and generate PoW/PoS block pairs. Block pairs that lose this race are orphaned.

And also a really simplified explanation:

Quote
In simple terms.  Someone else ended up solving the block first.

A also told you how to look up more about proof of stake and orphan blocks on your own.

I really wish I could explain it better for you or in words you understand but with all this information above if you cannot understand it we are probably just running into a language barrier.  Perhaps someone in your native language section could answer for you what are orphan blocks.
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