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February 26, 2016, 02:09:02 PM |
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finally the thread is going to what I am expecting two days ago.
Let me predict that there will be more refund request soon.
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devlin
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February 26, 2016, 02:16:34 PM |
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After ICO ends all BTC is available to devs. at their discretion? Or is a roadmap to spend ICO value?
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Lutzow
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February 26, 2016, 02:24:46 PM |
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Isn't everytime there's an ICO, some people will post everything to call is SCAM? When ETH ICO came in, people are calling it a deadcoin once ICO is over but look at it now. But of course, there'll be always an altcoin having an ICO who doesn't have any purpose at all so at some point if you're going to call all ICOs SCAM, you will be correct at most times and have the feeling of "I told you so" moment.
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February 26, 2016, 02:26:12 PM |
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After ICO ends all BTC is available to devs. at their discretion? Or is a roadmap to spend ICO value?
Someone can answer? We will spend all the money on Lisk. This includes marketing, conference/meetup visits, salaries, office space, hardware we might need, infrastructure, business establishment (taxes) and much more. Isn't everytime there's an ICO, some people will post everything to call is SCAM? When ETH ICO came in, people are calling it a deadcoin once ICO is over but look at it now. But of course, there'll be always an altcoin having an ICO who doesn't have any purpose at all so at some point if you're going to call all ICOs SCAM, you will be correct at most times and have the feeling of "I told you so" moment.
You are correct, therefore we don't respond to the accusations. It seems there is the mentality "scam until proven wrong" within the crypto-currency. This is sad, because this creates quite the barrier for beginners. For us this means, work work work! Show good results. That's all what matters in the end.  Additionally, you have to take into consideration that the people who say "scam" are most likely participating in our ICO. They think that the less people participate, the more coins they get. However, they don't have the vision that more capital only has advantages. |
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Acidx
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February 26, 2016, 02:27:05 PM |
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Isn't everytime there's an ICO, some people will post everything to call is SCAM? When ETH ICO came in, people are calling it a deadcoin once ICO is over but look at it now. But of course, there'll be always an altcoin having an ICO who doesn't have any purpose at all so at some point if you're going to call all ICOs SCAM, you will be correct at most times and have the feeling of "I told you so" moment.
Yeah, that's where you gotta start using your own head and figure out which ICO's are worth it and which aren't. Look at yobit having about 15 ICO's on a daily basis, pumping them and dumping them so hard they will never see the light of day anymore. It takes reading, knowledge, experience and luck to make it as an investor or miner in this "industry". This is one of the few ICO's I've been excited about lately, and I'm glad its going forward so smoothly so far. |
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February 26, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
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Isn't everytime there's an ICO, some people will post everything to call is SCAM? When ETH ICO came in, people are calling it a deadcoin once ICO is over but look at it now. But of course, there'll be always an altcoin having an ICO who doesn't have any purpose at all so at some point if you're going to call all ICOs SCAM, you will be correct at most times and have the feeling of "I told you so" moment.
On this forum, where ratio between scam and legit projects is 99:1 or worse, ICO with no visible BTC address is a scam. It does not make a difference if project actualy kicks off later and become as big as ETH, it is a scam because investors got less coins than they were supposed to get. Like it is not enough that no one can tell how many coins developers are getting for free (buy coins with their own BTC and get coins + BTC back) now it became fine that even BTC address is not known, fucking hillarious. I can already see this ICO will end up with 10,000+ BTC "invested" and 5,000+ "participants" which is way more investors than cryptospace has in total. Or at least ones that are stupid enough to put (big) money into project that is actualy a clone of a coin which already failed (XCR). After ICO ends all BTC is available to devs. at their discretion? Or is a roadmap to spend ICO value?
Someone can answer? We will spend all the money on Lisk. This includes marketing, conference/meetup visits, salaries, office space, hardware we might need, infrastructure, business establishment (taxes) and much more. There you go but don't worry, just keep on sponsoring lavish lifestyles of developers and hope the best for LISK. Until it is abandoned a year later most of you won't see where was the scam part. |
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February 26, 2016, 02:42:14 PM |
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now it became fine that even BTC address is not known, fucking hillarious.
I think at this point everyone is pretty tired of answering the same questions over and over, plus the way you were screaming none felt the need to point out that the reason (as it was stated more than once) that there is no btc address is that they are using a coinbase multisign account. They posted screenshots of this account, but as coinbase don't provide an actual btc address they can't give it to you. Your fear is not unfounded, at I myself will want to see a verifiable account at some point, I'm not that worried about this. Simply because to the ICO intake to not to be true would be too shortsided. It would come out within a few weeks, and even if they'd want to cheat us, there are much better and safer ways long term, some that can never be proven. So screaming scam about this issue is pretty pointless IMHO. |
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Vega
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February 26, 2016, 02:46:11 PM |
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I don't give a fuck what might be or not the reasons for not making BTC address. It is not public hence values for BTC and participants at LISK website are fiction. Hence this is a scam. Got that?
Got it, you are unreasonable. bye |
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devlin
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February 26, 2016, 02:46:17 PM |
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now it became fine that even BTC address is not known, fucking hillarious.
I think at this point everyone is pretty tired of answering the same questions over and over, plus the way you were screaming none felt the need to point out that the reason (as it was stated more than once) that there is no btc address is that they are using a coinbase multisign account. They posted screenshots of this account, but as coinbase don't provide an actual btc address they can't give it to you. Your fear is not unfounded, at I myself will want to see a verifiable account at some point, I'm not that worried about this. Simply because to the ICO intake to not to be true would be too shortsided. It would come out within a few weeks, and even if they'd want to cheat us, there are much better and safer ways long term, some that can never be proven. So screaming scam about this issue is pretty pointless IMHO. If now BTC addresses is unknown, after ICO is over, BTC can be transferred to a new address and make public this fact. |
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Vega
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February 26, 2016, 02:48:49 PM |
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If now BTC addresses is unknown, after ICO is over, BTC can be transferred to a new address and make public this fact.
More than that, is should be required. I want proof too, in a reasonable time and manner. Trust, but verify. |
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February 26, 2016, 02:52:03 PM |
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If now BTC addresses is unknown, after ICO is over, BTC can be transferred to a new address and make public this fact.
More than that, is should be required. I want proof too, in a reasonable time and manner. Trust, but verify. On the previous page you called me unreasonable but now you want some proof, good, you are finaly becoming reasonable. |
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Vega
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February 26, 2016, 02:54:53 PM |
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On the previous page you called me unreasonable but now you want some proof, good, you are finaly becoming reasonable.
You have some problems with reading comprehension I'm afraid. |
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February 26, 2016, 03:02:30 PM |
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an escrower without trust? seems suspicious
Dear Vaccomondus, what exactly is suspicious. If you would follow the link, I provide, you could see, that I am a German lawyer. According to this, if I would take part in something, which you call "suspicious", I risk to loose my profession, my job and a lot of my savings. And I have a insurance, which covers my mistakes, if I made any. So, what is more trustfull for you? A guy, which made occassionally some deals here on the board before, or someone, who is doing professional escrow, but in real life? Could you do me the favour of checking your Website's contact-form submissions and replying accordingly to the one from me? I think this little test will be fun. Also: after replying, could you delete it instead of publishing it? |
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February 26, 2016, 03:04:12 PM |
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Dear Vaccomondus,
what exactly is suspicious.
If you would follow the link, I provide, you could see, that I am a German lawyer.
According to this, if I would take part in something, which you call "suspicious", I risk to loose my profession, my job and a lot of my savings. And I have a insurance, which covers my mistakes, if I made any.
So, what is more trustfull for you? A guy, which made occassionally some deals here on the board before, or someone, who is doing professional escrow, but in real life?
hey man i'm not saying that that guy is suspicious, but how the hell i can be sure that you're that guy, you know that anyone can come here and tell us he is obama right? I just thought of a way...pending. |
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February 26, 2016, 03:07:19 PM |
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OMG lawyer never cover your investment lost.
anyway, what kind of lawyer can ensure quality software delivery and high rewards as cheerleaders promoted here?
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Vega
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February 26, 2016, 03:13:49 PM |
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OMG lawyer never cover your investment lost.
anyway, what kind of lawyer can ensure quality software delivery and high rewards as cheerleaders promoted here?
Escrow, we were talking about escrow in connection to the lawyer. Try to keep up. |
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February 26, 2016, 03:15:01 PM |
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Seems like decent idea, but it's a bit off-putting that it's like 100 million coins and the ico is at 1300+ sats per coin (for btc). Unless my math is wrong that seems WAY to high re. starting value (I don't care what self-valuation they say it's "WORTH")...many other coins with such high coin count just end up way below ico value either permanently or for a very very long time....
Shouldn't something with 100mil be able to buy coins at like 200-500 sats?
Your wrong about that though, cause this ico is driven on market value, How more people want it higher the price will be for each Lisk. If it continu like this i think the true value at the end of the ico might be around or above 3k satoshi, but how more funds reached how more they can do and make it worth more. OMG lawyer never cover your investment lost.
anyway, what kind of lawyer can ensure quality software delivery and high rewards as cheerleaders promoted here?
Escrow, we were talking about escrow in connection to the lawyer. Try to keep up. You mean no cheerleaders ? Damn! |
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February 26, 2016, 03:16:53 PM |
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Seems like decent idea, but it's a bit off-putting that it's like 100 million coins and the ico is at 1300+ sats per coin (for btc). Unless my math is wrong that seems WAY to high re. starting value (I don't care what self-valuation they say it's "WORTH")...many other coins with such high coin count just end up way below ico value either permanently or for a very very long time....
Shouldn't something with 100mil be able to buy coins at like 200-500 sats?
Your wrong about that though, cause this ico is driven on market value, How more people want it higher the price will be for each Lisk. If it continu like this i think the true value at the end of the ico might be around or above 3k satoshi, but how more funds reached how more they can do and make it worth more. OMG lawyer never cover your investment lost.
anyway, what kind of lawyer can ensure quality software delivery and high rewards as cheerleaders promoted here?
Escrow, we were talking about escrow in connection to the lawyer. Try to keep up. You mean no cheerleaders ? Damn! Not sure that 'easy' answer applies......you'll see. Good chance dumps first then up... |
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February 26, 2016, 03:19:04 PM |
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Seems like decent idea, but it's a bit off-putting that it's like 100 million coins and the ico is at 1300+ sats per coin (for btc). Unless my math is wrong that seems WAY to high re. starting value (I don't care what self-valuation they say it's "WORTH")...many other coins with such high coin count just end up way below ico value either permanently or for a very very long time....
Shouldn't something with 100mil be able to buy coins at like 200-500 sats?
Your wrong about that though, cause this ico is driven on market value, How more people want it higher the price will be for each Lisk. If it continu like this i think the true value at the end of the ico might be around or above 3k satoshi, but how more funds reached how more they can do and make it worth more. OMG lawyer never cover your investment lost.
anyway, what kind of lawyer can ensure quality software delivery and high rewards as cheerleaders promoted here?
Escrow, we were talking about escrow in connection to the lawyer. Try to keep up. You mean no cheerleaders ? Damn! Not sure that 'easy' answer applies......you'll see. Good chance dumps first then up... I doubt that it will go under 1000 sat, cause people will just buy more for that bargain  |
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