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[retreat]

I don't think Mercedes drivers can fight with Verstappen at the same level in this race just as it is in the other races as well. I mean this can't happen unless Verstappen has a serious problem with his car.

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I'm quite bored discussing Verstappen vs Alonso, or Verstappen vs Hamilton, etc. It's true that Verstappen's performance is very good at the moment, but that doesn't mean that other drivers don't have the strength to compete with him, surely other drivers will have a chance, especially this season it's still long and for sure there will be surprises from other drivers.

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[Luzin]

Yes, Marco Bezzecchi surprised me. I thought Bagnaia would be the one to win again, but he was up on lap 17. Alex Marquez's performance is also not bad, he is quite able to carry the bike well. But I'm not sure Alex will continue to stabilize at the top because this is just the beginning. Bezzecchi's death and Bagnaia's fall made a blessing, Bezzecchi is currently ranked first with 50 points. Here's a table of the top 10 race results in Argentina and provisional rankings.

Source:
1. https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results
2. https://www.motogp.com/en/world-standing

[barbara44]

When things go according to plan, like everyone just runs and there is a limited contact, that's a race that is boring but what the drivers deserve as well. It is not fair that they work so hard, and only have 23 races and a few of them goes away because someone else made a mistake and crashed them.

There isn't like some rewind button neither, if you made a mistake, you go, and if someone else crashes into you, you lose, and there is nothing nobody can do. However, it is also a boring race, when it is like this, even though drivers hated it, and some teams fans hated it and all that, we still have a situation where it was a race to talk about at least, it wasn't boring at all.

[Davian144]

Marco Bezzecchi had an extraordinary Argentina MotoGp race in wet conditions, because he was able to maintain his lap rhythm very well until he reached the finish line in first place. It was his first victory in the primary class and what was unique about this victory immediately brought Marco Bezzecchi to the top of the standings along with his team after Pecco Bagnaia fell during the race leaving 8 more laps.

In addition, the podium at the Argentina MotoGp was occupied by all the satellite teams from Ducati because the factory Ducati team fell in the race and this is a very unique result in my opinion because Morbidelli was unable to defend himself when he was chased by Johan Zarco in the final laps of the race so he (Morbidelli) was only able to finish fourth where that position was his position when he started the race.

[FanEagle]

I feel like it is not Max Verstappens talent that is the only reason why he is leading the season right now, the car is also a dominating one and that's why he was so easy to just let them pass.

This way we are talking about basically overtaking them within span of few laps when the time came. He literally let the other drivers take him over at the start so that they wouldn't crash, knowing that he has a much faster car, and I mean much much faster, and in the end he didn't even needed that at all, because it was a rolling start and finish as well. Ferrari on the other hand looking as terrible as they could potentially look, they are really not even around, and they need to change something quickly.

[swogerino]

I feel like it is not Max Verstappens talent that is the only reason why he is leading the season right now, the car is also a dominating one and that's why he was so easy to just let them pass.

This way we are talking about basically overtaking them within span of few laps when the time came. He literally let the other drivers take him over at the start so that they wouldn't crash, knowing that he has a much faster car, and I mean much much faster, and in the end he didn't even needed that at all, because it was a rolling start and finish as well. Ferrari on the other hand looking as terrible as they could potentially look, they are really not even around, and they need to change something quickly.

Maybe he let them in the start but I think more that Mercedes drivers are better than him at the start,we already seen this a couple of times last season but these are not important now.What is important as you also pointed out is that he overtook the cars like it was a Playstation game and not a real race,this shows that Redbull is still dominating big time and even if it were Perez starting first,he would have also won the race based on the conditions and all those red flags and restart we saw on Sunday.Nothing to do except to wait for the other teams to catch up with Redbull and this for fans is not beautiful at all.

[AakZaki]

Marco Bezzecchi had an extraordinary Argentina MotoGp race in wet conditions, because he was able to maintain his lap rhythm very well until he reached the finish line in first place. It was his first victory in the primary class and what was unique about this victory immediately brought Marco Bezzecchi to the top of the standings along with his team after Pecco Bagnaia fell during the race leaving 8 more laps.

In addition, the podium at the Argentina MotoGp was occupied by all the satellite teams from Ducati because the factory Ducati team fell in the race and this is a very unique result in my opinion because Morbidelli was unable to defend himself when he was chased by Johan Zarco in the final laps of the race so he (Morbidelli) was only able to finish fourth where that position was his position when he started the race.

It was unlucky luck for Bagnaia. I bet on him, but he fell and it cost me to lose. I think the sprint race points can make him quickly move away at the top of the class. But his misfortune made it a failure. Supposedly, if he stays at number two at the end of the race, he will get an additional twenty points, he will stay at number one in the provisional class. I was also surprised that M. Bezzecchi was able to win, but I was not surprised about the bike. I feel Ducati is very promising to win this year.It was unlucky luck for Bagnaia. I bet on him, but he fell and it cost me to lose. I think the sprint race points can make him quickly move away at the top of the class. But his misfortune made it a failure. Supposedly, if he stays at number two at the end of the race, he will get an additional twenty points, he will stay at number one in the provisional class. I was also surprised that M. Bezzecchi was able to win, but I was not surprised about the bike. I feel Ducati is very promising to win this year.

[alegotardo]

I feel like it is not Max Verstappens talent that is the only reason why he is leading the season right now, the car is also a dominating one and that's why he was so easy to just let them pass.

This way we are talking about basically overtaking them within span of few laps when the time came. He literally let the other drivers take him over at the start so that they wouldn't crash, knowing that he has a much faster car, and I mean much much faster, and in the end he didn't even needed that at all, because it was a rolling start and finish as well. Ferrari on the other hand looking as terrible as they could potentially look, they are really not even around, and they need to change something quickly.

Let it pass so they don't crash?
I think this is a bad strategy.

A good driver like Verstappen would try to leave the "platoon" of cars as early as possible, using his technique to gain an advantage right from the start and not need to risk overtaking, which also has a high risk of accident.

Dealing with pole positions from the start and gaining a lead advantage is what every driver wants and it's certainly what Max Verstappen would have been looking for.

But what I've seen is that his car doesn't seem to be as good at sprints, or the driver is the one with slower timing :p

[Davian144]

It was unlucky luck for Bagnaia. I bet on him, but he fell and it cost me to lose. I think the sprint race points can make him quickly move away at the top of the class. But his misfortune made it a failure. Supposedly, if he stays at number two at the end of the race, he will get an additional twenty points, he will stay at number one in the provisional class. I was also surprised that M. Bezzecchi was able to win, but I was not surprised about the bike. I feel Ducati is very promising to win this year.

Yes, that is more appropriate to say because bad luck is unlucky fate for Bagnaia in this wet race. And the victory that Bezzecchi got through the Mooney VR46 team was also very worthy because besides the motorbike being very supportive, he (Bezzecchi) also seemed so consistent in making his lap times better in these wet conditions. However, for the next race which will also be in America, to be precise at the Austin circuit, it seems that there will also be more surprises because several riders who were absent in Argentina yesterday will return for the next race, including Marquez.

[coinlocket$]

Breaking news.

Massa could appeal to a court after Ecclestone said the past week " I know about the crash gate and I've covered it up".

Massa wants to cancel the Gp of Singapore, if he will do so he will the world Champion. and a title will be removed from Hamilton.

[judas]

Red Bull are expected to be 0.2 seconds faster in the Azerbaijan GP according to the news I have heard of. Because they are planning to bring an update to this Grand Prix. Red Bull have already had the fastest car by far and they are even getting faster with these updates now. I really don't have any idea how the other teams can keep up with this power now.

It doesn't look like there is a team that aim to fight with Red Bull head-to-head now anyway. For now Mercedes and Aston Martin are the teams closest to them in power but even they are falling quite behind. Verstappen is so comfortable in front of the other drivers as long as he doesn't have any issue with the car.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Red Bull was also faster last season by force majeure, only it was such a crazy race that it could also fall on Mercedes' side, but such events naturally make racing fun. The next race will take a while, as it will only be held in Australia on the last day of April. Then the drivers have a few weeks off to recover. All that traveling does make you pretty tired of course. Daniel Riccardio will want to show what he can do in front of his home crowd, but I don't think he's good enough and a bigger problem is the car he's driving, which isn't good either enough is. He has also fallen far back when you consider that he was first and 2nd driver together with Verstappen.

[alegotardo]

Breaking news.

Massa could appeal to a court after Ecclestone said the past week " I know about the crash gate and I've covered it up".

Massa wants to cancel the Gp of Singapore, if he will do so he will the world Champion. and a title will be removed from Hamilton.

Will Brazil be able to place another flag in the F1 ranking?
The last time a Brazilian won an F1 championship was in 1994 with the fabulous Airton Sena. Since then we have had Rubens Barrichello and Felipe Massa as the best candidates, but neither managed to be champion.
We know that F1 has many obscure things and that it will be very difficult for Felipe Massa to change this decision, it will be necessary to firmly prove these arguments and make a lot of "noise" in order to put pressure on FIFA's leaders.
If in fact the title is due to Felipe Massa, I hope he wins and receives what is rightfully his and that of all Brazilians.

[Bitinity]

Yes, Marco Bezzecchi surprised me. I thought Bagnaia would be the one to win again, but he was up on lap 17. Alex Marquez's performance is also not bad, he is quite able to carry the bike well. But I'm not sure Alex will continue to stabilize at the top because this is just the beginning. Bezzecchi's death and Bagnaia's fall made a blessing, Bezzecchi is currently ranked first with 50 points. Here's a table of the top 10 race results in Argentina and provisional rankings.

If it was a dry race, I think Pecco would have dominated the race and won the race again. Anyway he did a mistake that make him crashed and failed to earn points from the race. Maybe he would be finished on 3 or 4 if he was not crashed.

The results of the first 2 races make the competition become interesting, at least no rider is dominating so far. Bezzechi, Zarco and Alex did their best in the first 2 races. For Alex, it seems that this season he is finding his best bike (ducati) so he could gain significant points in the first 2 races. Lets wait for the 3rd race, I hope to see another new winner.

[coinlocket$]

Ferrari did an appeal to get the 5 seconds of the penalty to Sainz to be removed.

If they will win the appeal Sainz will be 4th again up from the 12th position.

[swogerino]

Ferrari did an appeal to get the 5 seconds of the penalty to Sainz to be removed.

If they will win the appeal Sainz will be 4th again up from the 12th position.

It won't change much in the standings overall but the great news if it happens is that it will give a huge moral boost to Sainz which to be honest did a super drive in this last race and it was thrown away because of stewards and race direction.

It is a shame that China has suspended their race and that now we will have to wait until Azerbaijan race which is further away and I can't really wait that long for a F1 race honestly  .

[Davian144]

There is little news circulating at this time that Honda and Yamaha will both try new components at the Jerez test later. As is known, Fabio Quartararo is currently struggling with a blunt weapon in MotoGP. Because of that, he hopes the official test at Jerez can provide fresh air.

Likewise with Honda after hearing the reasons from Rins who felt they did not match the Marquez chassis. So that Alex Rins was not completely sure of the Marc Marquez chassis provided for him at the Argentine MotoGP. He faced various problems that made him lose his chance to break into the top five. And the decision is that Honda will test the new chassis in the Test at Jerez which will take place on Monday (10/4/2023) and Tuesday, where apart from the Honda, KTM, Aprilia and Yamaha test teams will also take part. Source: https://id.motorsport.com/

[coinlocket$]

It is a shame that China has suspended their race and that now we will have to wait until Azerbaijan race which is further away and I can't really wait that long for a F1 race honestly  .

Yeh, they could just race anywhere else as they did 2 years ago during Covid.
The next race will be in 3 weeks.

Ferrari already promised a massive upgrade for Baku.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari did an appeal to get the 5 seconds of the penalty to Sainz to be removed.

If they will win the appeal Sainz will be 4th again up from the 12th position.

It won't change much in the standings overall but the great news if it happens is that it will give a huge moral boost to Sainz which to be honest did a super drive in this last race and it was thrown away because of stewards and race direction.

It is a shame that China has suspended their race and that now we will have to wait until Azerbaijan race which is further away and I can't really wait that long for a F1 race honestly  .

But it's something a team needs to do in order for the FIA or the whoever to second guess themselves before giving out penalties.  These things shouldn't just slide to the side without at least getting some scrutiny.  I think any team should always fight for an appeal if placed in the same spot.

And what's the news with China suspending their race?  Pretty sure it isn't about covid anymore and if they say that it is, it's prolly covering up for something else.

[coinlocket$]

And what's the news with China suspending their race?  Pretty sure it isn't about covid anymore and if they say that it is, it's prolly covering up for something else.

They chosen to cancel the GP months ago when they had high cases of Covid.

As we know China has always been very restrictive with its policies against Covid.