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[alegotardo]

Massa didn't won championship not because of that Piquet crash, but because Ferrari f*cked up with pit stop. I think it's extremely unlikely that after 15 years Singapore GP results will be cancelled. And especially considering that people who is responsible for that accident - Briatore and Renault engineer got punished for it.
Who knows, maybe after 10-15 years Hamilton will appeal against 2021 Abu Dhabi GP results...

In fact, several factors spoiled Piquet's victory, but it cannot be said that the "trap" set up against Felipe Massa was just one more of those factors that prevented him from winning the championship.
Every team has problems and that's normal, but the cruelty of forging a victory is for the few, only for the most unscrupulous.

So far, only Piquet's testimonies are available, but I'm hoping that he still has some very concrete proof of what he claims, in order to show the world the "rotten rubbish" that certain people hide in F1.
But if that proof doesn't exist, in fact I agree with you, they won't reverse a decision after so many years.

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[redsun114]

I am sure it's typical Hamilton crying and nothing more. If you have been watching F1 for a while, you will see that cars are getting a lot more overtake chances these past 2 years, and it is true that it was more common last year and less this year so it is getting a bit harder, but that is because teams are getting used to this new setup and nothing more.

People will feel a bit different about this because next year the difference could be even bigger and probably bigger after that up until the last year, which should be 2026 where new cars will be used. That will be very different, it is not purely electric, but it is getting there and those days of v10 will be gone, it will be mostly electric and more like formula-e instead.

[swogerino]

I am sure it's typical Hamilton crying and nothing more. If you have been watching F1 for a while, you will see that cars are getting a lot more overtake chances these past 2 years, and it is true that it was more common last year and less this year so it is getting a bit harder, but that is because teams are getting used to this new setup and nothing more.

People will feel a bit different about this because next year the difference could be even bigger and probably bigger after that up until the last year, which should be 2026 where new cars will be used. That will be very different, it is not purely electric, but it is getting there and those days of v10 will be gone, it will be mostly electric and more like formula-e instead.

When it will become electric it will be an advantage for teams who have expressed their desire to enter the sport at that year,I don't know if Hyundai has expressed such desire but KIA which is owned by them has done so and we all know that right now in Europe they are dominating the electric market completely with Hyundai being at the top.This means these manufacturers who have been investing in electric cars from many years now most probably will have an edge when it comes to Formula 1 becoming electric.I would love to see such scenario as this would put a lot of pressure on Mercedes and other teams to immediately close the gap and we could see some really nice races and fierce competition which is missing these last couple of years here.

[tokeweed]

An interesting interview was done with Halimton.

He has spoken about different things but this one is the most relevant to me.

He basically said F1 lied about getting clean air while following close another car with this generation of cars, he said the air is not clean and the car behind suffers anyway.

Did he really use the word 'lie'..?  Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper.  It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.

And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs.  Typical whining from him.

[Koal-84]

Ducati once again outstanding in Austin Texas, Bagnaia is for me the favorite and can probably only beat himself this weekend, with the sprint race there are again extremely many points to get, but to defend the title should be enough even a not always first place.

I'm surprised by Rins, it seems as if he gets along with the Honda better than others, according to the drivers, the track so the asphalt is very bad and the operator should finally do something and renew it.

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1   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP23)   20m 35.270s
2   Alex Rins   SPA   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +2.545s
3   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +4.706s
4   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +5.052s
5   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +8.175s
6   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +8.877s
7   Luca Marini   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +9.453s
8   Miguel Oliveira   POR   RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22)   +10.768s
9   Jack Miller   AUS   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +12.448s
10   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +12.739s
11   Johann Zarco   FRA   Pramac Ducati (GP22)   +14.251s
12   Joan Mir   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +14.988s
13   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +15.592s
14   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +16.534s
15   Raul Fernandez   SPA   RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22)   +19.290s
16   Augusto Fernandez   SPA   Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)*   +23.128s
17   Fabio Di Giannantonio   ITA   Gresini Ducati (GP22)   +25.626s
18   Stefan Bradl   GER   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +25.787s
19   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +27.169s
20   Jonas Folger   GER   Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)   +46.973s
    Alex Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP22)   DNF
    Michele Pirro   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP23)   DNF


Sprint race result: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1024245/1/motogp-americas-austin-sprint-race-results


Ducati is so strong this year.

If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...

[Pulsar77]

Verstappen has made a statement recently like he would like to race while there are equal cars in F1 as well. He thinks that it would be better for the sport to see who is really the best for real. Truthfully it would really be more exciting to watch for me in that case. Because while there is a huge gap among the cars it is really hard to be completely sure of every driver on the grid. Yeah it is still easy to see the difference between some drivers but maybe there are drivers who have a big potential but having difficulties in reaching it due to the weakness of their cars.

But I don't expect FIA to take action in this way anytime. It would be like a revolution in the sport but I don't know how many people would like to see this.

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Verstappen has made a statement recently like he would like to race while there are equal cars in F1 as well.

Hamilton was saying the same years ago when Mercedes was dominating... They are always "politically correct" when they are dominating...

It will never happen in F1, Mercedes, and Ferrari will leave the F1 if they can't build their cars.

[yayayo]

The teams take a break. Then they also have the necessary weeks to tinker with the engine. Of course there will be penalties if you go out of line, but at the moment Mercedes is not having a bad start to the season. Although that sounds very strange about Mercedes, they will be happy with a podium finish at every race, in which they always wanted to win every race a few years ago and they were also the best together with Verstappen. I think Verstappen was driving very immature in the first years in F1. But he was still young then, of course.

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Did he really use the word 'lie'..?  Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper.  It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.

And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs.  Typical whining from him.

Well in the translated interview I've read yes.
But who knows if they changed the words, they do it often to generate flame and get clicks.

[redsun114]

When it will become electric it will be an advantage for teams who have expressed their desire to enter the sport at that year,I don't know if Hyundai has expressed such desire but KIA which is owned by them has done so and we all know that right now in Europe they are dominating the electric market completely with Hyundai being at the top.This means these manufacturers who have been investing in electric cars from many years now most probably will have an edge when it comes to Formula 1 becoming electric.I would love to see such scenario as this would put a lot of pressure on Mercedes and other teams to immediately close the gap and we could see some really nice races and fierce competition which is missing these last couple of years here.

There is audi as far as I know, and there are other teams that want to join too like Ford but they may do a partnership, like Andretti Ford F1 team type of thing. I think it is important to remember that most teams have their teams sponsoring someone, a business or rather. It will be good to see a lot more teams, not saying that they will all join at the same time, and they will most probably suck on the first few years but get better overtime, but electric shouldn't be the way to go about that.

This will make sure that cars are not as powerful as they used to be, great starts and acceleration for electric cars, the starts and the first turns will be much more interesting to see, but gas cars with proper engines always beats them on the long straights if given the chance. Right now we are already pretty heavy on electric anyway, it will get worse.

[tokeweed]

Did he really use the word 'lie'..?  Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper.  It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.

And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs.  Typical whining from him.

Well in the translated interview I've read yes.
But who knows if they changed the words, they do it often to generate flame and get clicks.

Ah yeah..  'Lie' is too strong of a word.  I think a more apt translation is 'wrong'...  Like if the amount dirty air at the back of the cars is still the same as the pre 2022 specs, then yeah..  FIA really got it wrong.  The whole reason for the 2022 car spec was to drastically reduce the dirty air so the cars could pass each other with less difficulty.

It will prolly be another three years for the current specs?

[swogerino]

Verstappen has made a statement recently like he would like to race while there are equal cars in F1 as well.

Hamilton was saying the same years ago when Mercedes was dominating... They are always "politically correct" when they are dominating...

It will never happen in F1, Mercedes, and Ferrari will leave the F1 if they can't build their cars.

That is a statement from Verstappen in order to be showing to the world that he is the best driver and he is not there only because of his car,he is intentionally saying that so that he can win against all other drivers if they happen to use the same car.That statement though would be good if F1 was a Nascar or Indy where most cars are in equal power but here in F1 it does not make any sense.F1 is the top level and we have seen throughout history that different drivers have dominated in different eras,this is not going to change,it was the era of Schumi,then that of Alonso,then that of Vettel,then that of Hamilton and now this of Verstappen.This is going to repeat itself and after Verstappen a new driver will become new history.

[Zackgeno96]

Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.

[Davian144]

Today the Race for the Grand Prix of the Americas will take place although I am currently watching the race for Moto2 after watching the race for Moto3 which was so intense and thrilling. I'm still sure that in today's race Pecco Bagnaia will win his race again, because yesterday in the sprint race he looked quite stable and very strong in providing resistance for all riders. This was proven when Alex Rins overtook him in a corner which was then overtaken by Pecco Bagnaia on the straight track after which no one was able to overtake him again.

[wildan88]

Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.

He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.

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Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.

He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.

At Verstappen, the racing DNA is in the genes, since father Jos was also an F1 driver. But on a whole different level. Father Jos regularly dueled with Schumacher, but could not play any significant role and only had a supporting role in his career. Yet Max owes a lot to father Jos, who of course had many connections in the racing world and then you often don't have to be at the back of the queue. Those are advantages that you need to get the chance to prove yourself. Maybe father Jos never really had the motivation to become world champion because he was allowed to race in a lesser team. Max joined Red Bull when they already had a very substantial car on the market.

[Koal-84]

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Ducati is so strong this year.

If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...

As I wrote in a post above yours, Bagnaia and Ducati can only beat themselves this year, I see no other manufacturer this year that could be dangerous for Ducati. The factory team have done everything right this year, not like the last few years befor the World Champion bike, just an evolution and not a revolution. In the years before the Ducati factory team changed too much every year, then Ducati almost always needed a third of the season to understand the bike, this year they have changed less and only tweaked minor details. You also have to admit that the other teams, especially the Japanese, are struggling to close the gap to Ducati.

[swogerino]

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Ducati is so strong this year.

If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...

As I wrote in a post above yours, Bagnaia and Ducati can only beat themselves this year, I see no other manufacturer this year that could be dangerous for Ducati. The factory team have done everything right this year, not like the last few years befor the World Champion bike, just an evolution and not a revolution. In the years before the Ducati factory team changed too much every year, then Ducati almost always needed a third of the season to understand the bike, this year they have changed less and only tweaked minor details. You also have to admit that the other teams, especially the Japanese, are struggling to close the gap to Ducati.

It is going to be a boring Championship in MotoGP then and Bagnaia should not at all worry that he slipped in the past race.I also am not seeing any competition from the Japanese manufacturers and the only pole position that Marquez got so far if I am not mistaken is thanks only to his extreme talent but his injuries are keeping him at bay from a couple of seasons now.

Ducati has been consistently investing in the MotoGP bike from many years now and they always have been there in the fight for winning races and in some years when they had talented riders they have even won Championships before like in the case of Casey Stoner which at that time was the only rider to ride a Ducati to winning.Now the bike of Ducati is far more easy to ride and the results are just showing this.

[yayayo]

Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.

He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.

At Verstappen, the racing DNA is in the genes, since father Jos was also an F1 driver. But on a whole different level. Father Jos regularly dueled with Schumacher, but could not play any significant role and only had a supporting role in his career. Yet Max owes a lot to father Jos, who of course had many connections in the racing world and then you often don't have to be at the back of the queue. Those are advantages that you need to get the chance to prove yourself. Maybe father Jos never really had the motivation to become world champion because he was allowed to race in a lesser team. Max joined Red Bull when they already had a very substantial car on the market.

I think there was once a kind of simulation of the best drivers of different eras. Senna was very good at that. It is tragic that several drivers have already died, fortunately we have not seen that in recent years. You cannot completely prevent such crashes, but they have optimally secured the car nowadays. The last crash I can remember was from the Japanese last year, but luckily it ended well. I thought Tsunoda was involved. And perhaps it also makes a big difference that the technical staff can now also make many adjustments to the car remotely. Still nice technology.

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