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[RealMalatesta]

this weekend will be an interesting one for the cars.

The temperature will be very hot maybe over 40°C, so the engines will be stressed out.

Also, the use of tires will be different with this temperature.

I think so too, it will be a problem for some teams, last season Mercedes always had problems in very high temperatures because of their slim design. Mercedes has a very reliable engine this year, let's see if the high temperatures cause them problems. With Ferrari, I'm not sure if they will have problems in high temperatures, but the Ferrari engine has not been very reliable lately.

RedBull is difficult to assess in the high temperatures, but the high temperatures are a big burden for man and machine this weekend.

First of all, we are going to see ALL teams have a hard time, ferrari, red bull, mercedes, all of them would have a hard time. It will not be about which team does best, it is going to be about which team does the least worst. I do not know if that makes any sense, but basically everyone will get worse, but whichever gets worse less than the other ones will win this.

The question will not be pace or anything like that, it is going to be about reliability. If we see a new winner, it is going to be about how other cars had to stop, and that's the problem, if a car gets DNF that leaves other people having a bigger chance. I am waiting on a shocking Norris win eventually, and maybe this could be the one? I don't know.

[Koal-84]

Ferrari will have a new back wing from this weekend.

Also Sainz will may take a penalty for using a new engine, nothing sure yet but it is possible.

According to the article, Ferrari already had a new rear wing in Spielberg and the autor think it's a big factor for the victory at Spielberg, and it is also assumed in the article that this has improved the top speed, especially when using DRS. According to the article, the new rear wing was tested for the first time in Canada and since Silverstone both cars use the new rear wing specification.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-278251-formel-1-ferrari-sieg-in-oesterreich-dank-wunderfluegel/

And yes a penalty is very possible.

[swogerino]

this weekend will be an interesting one for the cars.

The temperature will be very hot maybe over 40°C, so the engines will be stressed out.

Also, the use of tires will be different with this temperature.

I think so too, it will be a problem for some teams, last season Mercedes always had problems in very high temperatures because of their slim design. Mercedes has a very reliable engine this year, let's see if the high temperatures cause them problems. With Ferrari, I'm not sure if they will have problems in high temperatures, but the Ferrari engine has not been very reliable lately.

RedBull is difficult to assess in the high temperatures, but the high temperatures are a big burden for man and machine this weekend.

First of all, we are going to see ALL teams have a hard time, ferrari, red bull, mercedes, all of them would have a hard time. It will not be about which team does best, it is going to be about which team does the least worst. I do not know if that makes any sense, but basically everyone will get worse, but whichever gets worse less than the other ones will win this.

The question will not be pace or anything like that, it is going to be about reliability. If we see a new winner, it is going to be about how other cars had to stop, and that's the problem, if a car gets DNF that leaves other people having a bigger chance. I am waiting on a shocking Norris win eventually, and maybe this could be the one? I don't know.

If you see some good clip from McLaren F1 official Instagram page you will see that last year Norris did a lot of overtaking in the "Le Castlellet" part as they call it.I highly doubt though that any McLaren can fight for a win in normal conditions,dry conditions I mean because McLaren has already stopped further development of this year car with all the focus being shifted to the 2023 car where they have promised to bring massive upgrades.

Well that is also to be seen,as a lot of times they have promised massive upgrades for the next year season and 100% of the times in this decade they failed miserably to do that,they did not deliver.

[tokeweed]

I had FP1 on in the background but it just looked like FP1 was mostly dull and uneventful.  It felt like Verstappen wanted to make a statement esp after losing vs Leclerc in Red Bull's home turf.  But Leclerc took it down and I really feel like it's him who's gonna make a statement by winning all free practices and qualifying to boot.

But the race will be a coin toss if it's a Leclerc - Verstappen 1 - 2.  FP2 in a couple of hours...

Here are the results.

2022 F1 French GP FP1 Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.930s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.021s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m34.268s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m34.881s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.979s
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m35.174s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.232s
8   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m35.414s
9   Nyck de Vries   NED   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m35.426s
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.660s
11   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m35.676s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.810s
13   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.828s
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.851s
15   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.875s
16   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m36.022s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m36.104s
18   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m36.127s
19   Robert Kubica   POL   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m36.332s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m37.043s

[coinlocket$]

As always Ferrari and RBR, times will go down a lot, maybe 1.31?

We will see, incredibly hot.

[tokeweed]

^  Yup it's getting there.  Pretty sure by Q1 at quali we get 1.31.  Maybe lower as the teams seem to like to use the softs mostly in this track. 

And it's looking good for Sainz.    It seems like Red Bull has no answer for the Ferrari upgrades.  They better have one before Italy or Leclerc is gonna start running away and rack up more points.

2022 F1 French GP FP 2 Results

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.527s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.628s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m33.077s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m33.291s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m33.517s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m33.607s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m33.906s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m33.928s
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m33.984s
10   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.060s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.259s
12   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m34.264s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.420s
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.540s
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.595s
16   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m34.653s
17   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m34.654s
18   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.660s
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m35.195s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m35.412s

[coinlocket$]

This race will be gambling.

The strongest car we saw today are always Ferrari and RBR.

Ferrari seems to be faster in the single lap but it seems they also use more of their tires so for the race who knows if they can do the same amount of pit stops of RBR o they will need 1 more.

[el kaka22]

Even though we shouldn't see practice runs as anything important normally, it is still obvious that Red Bull and Ferrari will be the ones that will do better. The "funny" part is, this week Williams brought the new improvements on the new car to Latifi this week .

I think he will still be the last, at this point I feel like if they gave that seat to me or to you that wouldn't be something be shocking result, it is the same thing. I mean I would like to say that I would crash the car and can't drive it, but at the end of the day Latifi also crashes as well lol. As a big williams fan, it has been a very very tough few seasons for sure, but I am sure we will get back to being mid table soon.

[Pulsar77]

Considering the sessions so far I can say that Ferrari drivers have been in a much better condition. They have seemed a little stronger than Verstappen for example. It is important for Leclerc to turn this into an advantage in this race. It is a boring track first of all and I don't know how many nice overtakes we would be able to see. Hence winning the qualifying would play a big role for that driver. Leclerc has had a good momentum after the Austria GP and let's see if he will maintain it.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I guess racing isn't all gambling. Ferrari and Red Bull are by far the best, and on a normal day there is no one who can come close to either team. Hamilton doesn't stand a chance either. That LeClerc or Verstappen will become world champion is 99.9%. And if that doesn't happen, then it's Perez or Sainz. I'm more curious with a view to next season what will happen to Mercedes and what Hamilton will do. Does it still want to drive this way if you're just filling? In the current state he is going to become world champion, and I don't see any significant changes taking place for the time being.

[Captain Corporate]

Is it just me, or are we seeing Lewis getting a bit better again? I mean Mercedes already had a "decent" car at the start of the season, they didn't started out like aston martin or something, they actually started as the third team directly. However, they seem to be seeing something changing these days, for the past 2 days its getting even more obvious, they are actually looking like getting in there. Meaning, we won't see just 1-2 ferrari red bull and whoever left from them at 3-4, somewhere in there would be Lewis or Russell in there somewhere between 1-4 and that would be a cool thing. I mean having a three good teams is always better, its definitely more entertaining that way.

[Velvet78]

Is it just me, or are we seeing Lewis getting a bit better again? I mean Mercedes already had a "decent" car at the start of the season, they didn't started out like aston martin or something, they actually started as the third team directly. However, they seem to be seeing something changing these days, for the past 2 days its getting even more obvious, they are actually looking like getting in there. Meaning, we won't see just 1-2 ferrari red bull and whoever left from them at 3-4, somewhere in there would be Lewis or Russell in there somewhere between 1-4 and that would be a cool thing. I mean having a three good teams is always better, its definitely more entertaining that way.

Hamilton is getting better indeed and Russell are still keeping his general condition even though he got unlucky in the recent times. The qualifying session is going on right now and we are in Q2. While there are less than five minutes left for the end of it we see Hamilton at the 9th and Russell at the 12th positions. This is a bit alarming for them of course but they still have time to make a bigger effort to have higher positions. I don't expect any surprise honestly. We should be able to see both of them in Q3.

[coinlocket$]

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m31.727s   1m31.216s   1m30.872s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m31.891s   1m31.990s   1m31.176s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m32.354s   1m32.120s   1m31.335s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m33.041s   1m32.274s   1m31.765s
5   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m32.672s   1m32.777s   1m32.032s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m33.109s   1m32.633s   1m32.131s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m32.819s   1m32.631s   1m32.552s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m33.394s   1m32.836s   1m32.780s
9   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.297s   1m31.081s   No Time Set
10   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m32.756s   1m32.649s   No Time Set
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m33.404s   1m32.922s   
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m33.346s   1m33.048s   
13   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m33.034s   1m33.052s   
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m33.285s   1m33.276s   
15   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m33.423s   1m33.307s   
16   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m33.439s       
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m33.439s       
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m33.674s       
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m33.701s       
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m33.794s       

Pole position for Ferrari with a super team play from Sainz.

It will be a hot race


Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1008366/1/f1-2022-french-grand-prix-full-qualifying-results

[tokeweed]

^  You know if Sainz had something to fight for in this qualifying I think he'd be getting the pole imho.  Sainz is faster than Leclerc at FP2, FP3 and during Q2 at qualifying.  It's too bad he'd be starting at the back of the grid no matter which spot he ended up with.

Anyway it's LEC - VER - PER.  The first 10 laps should be interesting with two Red Bull cars behind Leclerc's tail.  I feel like Verstappen will be in villain mode starting this weekend til the end of the season.

[Davidvictorson]

Ferrari is on another level. Today if they are reliable it would not be surprising if they are in the 1 and 2. I think there will only be one RB on the podium with that pace of the Ferraris. From my analysis, Perez has a chance of actually even winning. He must be careful of losing 3rd place and stay among the leaders and take care of the tires. In addition, I hope that Sainz is going to come back to position 4 or 5.

[tokeweed]

^  Close to impossible for a Ferrari 1 - 2 as Sainz is starting at the back of the grid now due to more parts replacements in his power unit.  What has become more interesting tho is Sainz to finish top 6 which he could do.  Anything more than 2.00 could be value imho.  The lines aren't up as of now.  It could take a couple more hours.

[LTU_btc]

Ferrari today used Sainz very effectively. He wasn't fighting for any position today, so helped to Leclerc by making slipstream which gave significant help for Leclerc. It's likely that he would pole without help, but now it become even more confident.
Tomorrow weather is going to be even more hot. Interesting how tyres will work. Also, wouldn't be surprised if some drivers will have problems with overheating breaks and maybe some engines may fail in such conditions.

[swogerino]

Ferrari is on another level. Tomorrow if they are reliable it would not be surprising if they are in the 1 and 2. I think there will only be one RB on the podium with that pace of the Ferraris. From my analysis, Perez has a chance of actually even winning. He must be careful of losing 3rd place and stay among the leaders and take care of the tires. In addition, I hope that Sainz is going to come back to position 4 or 5.

In this track is difficult to overtake although we have seen a lot of overtaking last year.It means that for Sainz he needs to do really good at the start to not lose stream.He could have used the hard tires today as he knew he was going to get penalized so for tomorrow race he could have been a lot more helpful for Leclerc.He did great by offering slipstream to him and Leclerc got pole from 0.009 second distance with Verstapen to 0.30 and something.A lot of questions for tomorrow race but I am a lot worried about the reliability of Ferrari in such hot conditions,it is near 40 degree where I am and the same should be in France.

[coinlocket$]

^  You know if Sainz had something to fight for in this qualifying I think he'd be getting the pole imho.  Sainz is faster than Leclerc at FP2, FP3 and during Q2 at qualifying.  It's too bad he'd be starting at the back of the grid no matter which spot he ended up with.

Anyway it's LEC - VER - PER.  The first 10 laps should be interesting with two Red Bull cars behind Leclerc's tail.  I feel like Verstappen will be in villain mode starting this weekend til the end of the season.

Yup Sainz was in a brilliant state today.

For tomorrow we can be expecting an exciting race for him, according to sky sports, with these cars should be not so hard overtaking in this track, so he can do a huge "remuntada" and if a Safety car will come...

[ingiltere]

Another pole victory by Leclerc, with a good help of Sainz. One more race we will see Ferrari start first and RB will follow. If Verstappen couldn't pass Leclerc at the start I give Rari a very good chance to win the race.
Sainz have to do a lot of work to climb up tomorrow. Even though if it's not the podium I believe he'll move up to a good position to get some points.