Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah Russell is a decent driver but he tends to get pressured in tough situations.  Seems like he's breaking too early or breaking too late when the pressure is right there wringing around his neck.  Lol.  Guys like Hamilton would thrive given they're under a lot for pressure.  And it's not like Russell is a total noob in F1.  

And Ricciardo did pretty good.    I mean with the car he has and all.  Not bad imho.

2024 F1 Canadian GP Race Results

Max Verstappen   1:45:47.927   
Lando Norris   +3.879s   
George Russell   +4.317s   
Lewis Hamilton   +4.915s   
Oscar Piastri   +10.199s   
Fernando Alonso +17.510s   
Lance Stroll   +23.625s   
Daniel Ricciardo   +28.672s   
Pierre Gasly   +30.021s   
Esteban Ocon   +30.313s   
Nico Hulkenberg    +30.824s   
Kevin Magnussen +31.253s   
Valtteri Bottas   +40.487s   
Yuki Tsunoda   +52.694s   
Zhou Guanyu   +1 lap   
Carlos Sainz   DNF   
Alexander Albon   DNF   
Sergio Perez   DNF   
Charles Leclerc   DNF   
Logan Sargeant   DNF   

2024 F1 Canadian GP Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLw1ao4-Akk

[Distraction]

I also believe it was quite a delightful race.    We saw many overtakes. I really liked Russell's determination here. He did his best to keep himself at the top as long as possible. But his car wasn't strong enough so he couldn't hold on after a point. Still it was so much fun to watch Verstappen - Norris - Russell trio fighting each other for the win for a while.

Norris could have really won here by the way. After Verstappen made a mistake - and maybe got some underfloor damage - Norris had a gap like 8 seconds in the lead. But that SC and a wrong strategy caused Norris to lose his advantage. 

I haven't much words to say about Ferrari. A total disaster... When it comes to Perez, Red Bull has just extended this guy's contract. 

[karabiber]

The last GPs have been unusually enjoyable and the Canadian GP was one of the most entertaining races in recent times. Russell and Verstappen's lap in the same split second was monumental and one of the most iconic moments in F1 in recent years.

Ferrari said after the Monaco GP that they were in the title race, but the Canadian GP showed us that Ferrari was wrong again. If Ferrari continue to make strategy mistakes, they will be the underdogs in the next grand prix. McLaren are getting better every race and their motivation is good. Verstappen didn't have the fastest car. McLaren and Mercedes were clearly faster, but none of them could drive as consistently as Verstappen, and Verstappen took the win. On a track where everyone else made mistakes, he came first. This guy is an absolute genius.

[FanEagle]

These type of races are great right after a race like Monaco which was as boring as it gets. I understand the historical value of Monaco GP and we are just used to it at this point, there is one boring week for sure, and a few more if things go different.

However, a rainy Canada was something insane, specially that Haas start was just out of this world, it was so much fun and I think people should realize how much this means to all of us, we are talking about something that is finally entertaining. For the past like a decade F1 has been quite boring at the very top, first Hamilton, now Max. So, seeing these type of races where everyone battles with each other is definitely something people do enjoy seeing without a doubt.

[coinlocket$]

After the terrible weekend Ferrari will try to anticipate the update of the Car.
The new floor of the car was expected for the next month but they are working hard to make it possible for the next race.

Can they do it?

Also Mercedes will bring a new floor for the following GP

[alegotardo]

After the terrible weekend Ferrari will try to anticipate the update of the Car.
The new floor of the car was expected for the next month but they are working hard to make it possible for the next race.

Can they do it?

Also Mercedes will bring a new floor for the following GP

I think so, at least I'm not aware of any rule that prevents this.

But regardless of that, I see this anticipation as very positive. Because in addition to the main focus of this update being the car's floor to improve tire warm-up and get them into the ideal operating window more quickly, these modifications would also bring about ten points more downforce to Ferrari.

In addition to the natural desire of every Formula 1 team to put new components on the car as soon as possible, debuting the update at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya brings another very strategic advantage... Ferrari has a vast historical database of the Spanish track, since pre-season tests have already been carried out at this circuit for a long time. Therefore, the weekend in Spain is a very representative moment to evaluate the development of aerodynamic innovations.

[Distraction]

Here is the current driver standings (top 10):



The full standings: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/standings/2024/

Verstappen is much more comfortable in his place after the Canadian Grand Prix. I wish Leclerc had a much better race to follow him closer.    I don't have an expectation like Verstappen to lose the title though. But at least seeing some competition would save the championship from being monotonous.

Norris has made a huge improvement. He is really close to taking the 2nd place. McLaren is really getting better every year. This time big upgrades came much earlier and they are reaping the benefits now.  

Perez is doing really bad. If he hasn't signed the new contract officially yet then there is still an opportunity for Red Bull to reconsider.  

[Republikcoin.com]

There is news that is a bit exciting right now in the MotoGP sphere where Maverick Vinales will be leaving the Aprilia factory for the KTM Satellite team which is currently still sponsored by Gasgas. I am even surprised that Maverick Vinales chose to leave the factory team for an independent team because there are many other riders who are currently eyeing seats from any manufacturer. And from the official news, Maverick Vinales will team up with Bastianini next season for the KTM Tech3 Gasgas team.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vinales-makes-tech3-ktm-motogp-switch-alongside-bastianini-for-2025/10622885/

[retreat]

Verstappen is much more comfortable in his place after the Canadian Grand Prix. I wish Leclerc had a much better race to follow him closer.    I don't have an expectation like Verstappen to lose the title though. But at least seeing some competition would save the championship from being monotonous.

If only Ferrari strategists could do their job well, this could very well be achieved. Because to be honest, at yesterday's Canadian race, Charles was like a joke because the Ferrari strategist was not only stupid, but this was also exacerbated by his engine problems which made the performance of the VCARB much better than the Ferrari. I'm afraid things like this will affect Ferrari's performance and hopefully that's the last thing.

[Velvet78]

I hope we have next race as enjoyable as this one too.    Rain was the biggest factor though. If it weren't for that I assume it wouldn't be this chaotic.

I'm also sad for Ferrari. Leclerc was the victim of wrong tyre strategy. Sainz's DNF was because of his own mistake on slippery track. After this race indeed the gap between Verstappen and Leclerc has opened quite much. At least I'm trying to enjoy more exciting races this season. Catalunya track is also a track on which overtaking isn't too easy if I'm not mistaken. This makes me worried about watching a boring race but let's hope the opposite.

[coinlocket$]

Daniel Riccardo will be probably sacked at the end of the season.
According to the latest RB already said to him that he needs to improve to keep his seat.

We have also some info about Perez contract, it is not a 2 years deal but a 1+1 so if he will underperform they can sack him (maybe they can send him to Visa Cash and bring Tsunoda in RBR)

[Republikcoin.com]

Rumors of Prima Pramac Racing's move in MotoGP from the Ducati brand to the Yamaha brand are increasingly emerging and Pramac Racing could even make the announcement before the contract period ends with Ducati. And I think this is a tension that is currently occurring in the MotoGP sphere at the moment so that there are many changes that will occur after this season is finished, especially since the second seat from the Aprilian manufacturer itself is also still empty until now or to be precise after the announcement of Maverick Vinales' move to Gasgas team.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/why-a-pramac-yamaha-motogp-union-is-best-for-all-parties/10622661/

[Distraction]

Daniel Riccardo will be probably sacked at the end of the season.
According to the latest RB already said to him that he needs to improve to keep his seat.

We have also some info about Perez contract, it is not a 2 years deal but a 1+1 so if he will underperform they can sack him (maybe they can send him to Visa Cash and bring Tsunoda in RBR)

It wouldn't be surprising at all to see RB sacking him. So far in the races, there has been a serious gap between him and Tsunoda. There are many races Ricciardo couldn't even complete. His mind is just somewhere else obviously. He isn't as competitive as in the past.    I really miss that Ricciardo driving for Red Bull...

The contract renewal with Perez is just nonsense as I already said. Even a 1+1 deal is meaningless while he is this horrible. Red Bull might even lose constructors championship this season because of Perez.

[moneystery]

Rumors of Prima Pramac Racing's move in MotoGP from the Ducati brand to the Yamaha brand are increasingly emerging and Pramac Racing could even make the announcement before the contract period ends with Ducati. And I think this is a tension that is currently occurring in the MotoGP sphere at the moment so that there are many changes that will occur after this season is finished, especially since the second seat from the Aprilian manufacturer itself is also still empty until now or to be precise after the announcement of Maverick Vinales' move to Gasgas team.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/why-a-pramac-yamaha-motogp-union-is-best-for-all-parties/10622661/

yamaha may have a less competitive bike performance compared to ducati, but since pramac is a team that needs better financial support, moving to yamaha may not be a bad choice since they offer good conditions for the payment of riders and bikes compared to what ducati offers them. but maybe that choice will affect their competitiveness on the circuit since yamaha is still in the development stage of their bike and no one can be sure whether the performance of their bike can be better or not.

[tokeweed]

After the terrible weekend Ferrari will try to anticipate the update of the Car.
The new floor of the car was expected for the next month but they are working hard to make it possible for the next race.

Can they do it?

Also Mercedes will bring a new floor for the following GP

I think we'll def see Ferrari get back in form as they did in Monaco.  As for the guys at Mercedes, I think we'll see them as they were before Canada.  Lolol.  Outside of the top 6.    And it will be a competition between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren again.  This is F1, not a somewhat unpredictable sport like MMA.  It always goes back to its old and boring self.  

Early market for Spain is 1.44 for Verstappen to win the race, Norris at 6.00 and Leclerc at 8.50...  Russell is at 26.00?  Lol.  The books know Canada was a fluke.

[coinlocket$]

Monza is changing the layout of the track.
In particular we have photo of 1st chicane.

The track is no larger and the turn has a bigger angle so it should be slower and with more overtakes.

Not clear yet if they are working in other parts of the track.

[FanEagle]

Daniel Riccardo will be probably sacked at the end of the season.
According to the latest RB already said to him that he needs to improve to keep his seat.

We have also some info about Perez contract, it is not a 2 years deal but a 1+1 so if he will underperform they can sack him (maybe they can send him to Visa Cash and bring Tsunoda in RBR)

They resigned with Perez because Ricciardo did not so well last season, and they are keeping Perez next season as well if Daniel does badly this season as well. What people do not understand about Perez's seat is that it is not just about Perez being good or bad, it's also about having an alternative, so that means if Perez is bad, but Daniel is even worse then how are they going to make that change?

Alternative to that would be Yuki Tsunoda, and I think he is too wild and uncontrollable, which means that we are talking about a situation that would not be simple for them to get him under control and help the team instead. Which is why I believe that we are going to end up with Perez staying for a while longer until they find a better driver.

[retreat]

I think we'll def see Ferrari get back in form as they did in Monaco.  As for the guys at Mercedes, I think we'll see them as they were before Canada.  Lolol.  Outside of the top 6.    And it will be a competition between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren again.  This is F1, not a somewhat unpredictable sport like MMA.  It always goes back to its old and boring self.  

-snip-

I am quite optimistic that the upgrades that Ferrari will bring to their floors and some minor updates will hopefully be able to boost Ferrari's performance in the Spanish race later, because to be honest, Ferrari's performance in yesterday's race was very bad and embarrassing. Hopefully this upgrade will not be a downgrade for their performance.
And for McLaren, I still see that they are competitors besides RB, for Ferrari, they are a consistent team and the upgrades they have made are quite good at boosting their performance. And it is very likely that in the Spanish race later we will be able to see how RB, Ferrari and McLaren can compete with each other closely.

[coinlocket$]

Maybe you don't know but they have made an important change to the Formula 1 registration rules.

the FIA ​​has decided to lower the minimum age of a formula one driver, no big deal you might say.

But this fits perfectly with a possible arrival in Formula One next year of Kimi Antonelli, currently in Formula2.

would take over from Lewiz Hamilton.

[Distraction]

Maybe you don't know but they have made an important change to the Formula 1 registration rules.

the FIA ​​has decided to lower the minimum age of a formula one driver, no big deal you might say.

But this fits perfectly with a possible arrival in Formula One next year of Kimi Antonelli, currently in Formula2.

would take over from Lewiz Hamilton.

Oh, really? This is wonderful news for Antonelli surely.    Mercedes is also starting a "Verstappen project" with Antonelli seemingly.    I thought they would consider bringing a more experienced driver such as Sainz, Vettel or Alonso. But technically Russell has also gained a lot of experience until the age of 26. So I understand their choice.

By the way the regulation says that FIA will apply this change of rule to only the drivers of whom they admire the talent. So this means it isn't going to be an objective call. I hope this wouldn't be abused in the future.