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June 19, 2012, 03:02:40 AM
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That's only been up for - at least a few weeks. You're a little behind the curve, I'm afraid.

This part here read differently just yesterday;
4. When will the BitForce SC be available, and how fast are they?
Our ASIC based products ranging from 3.5 GH/s to 1,000 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in late October, 2012.

By availability I'd assume they mean taking orders starting then.


Anyone wanna take bets on the first unit not shipping until Feb or later?

"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

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June 19, 2012, 03:05:40 AM
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That's only been up for - at least a few weeks. You're a little behind the curve, I'm afraid.

This part here read differently just yesterday;
4. When will the BitForce SC be available, and how fast are they?
Our ASIC based products ranging from 3.5 GH/s to 1,000 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in late October, 2012.

By availability I'd assume they mean taking orders starting then.


Anyone wanna take bets on the first unit not shipping until Feb or later?


"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

exactly, and I would be far less bothered by BFL's scheduling if they did not very purposely word things so ambiguously.

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June 19, 2012, 03:18:04 AM
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That's only been up for - at least a few weeks. You're a little behind the curve, I'm afraid.

This part here read differently just yesterday;
4. When will the BitForce SC be available, and how fast are they?
Our ASIC based products ranging from 3.5 GH/s to 1,000 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in late October, 2012.

By availability I'd assume they mean taking orders starting then.


Anyone wanna take bets on the first unit not shipping until Feb or later?


"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

exactly, and I would be far less bothered by BFL's scheduling if they did not very purposely word things so ambiguously.


Actually it's quite the opposite that has been getting them in trouble. If they gave more ambiguous ship dates for the singles we might have less people trolling them about the 4-6 weeks they promise.
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June 19, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
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That's only been up for - at least a few weeks. You're a little behind the curve, I'm afraid.

This part here read differently just yesterday;
4. When will the BitForce SC be available, and how fast are they?
Our ASIC based products ranging from 3.5 GH/s to 1,000 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in late October, 2012.

By availability I'd assume they mean taking orders starting then.


Anyone wanna take bets on the first unit not shipping until Feb or later?


"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

exactly, and I would be far less bothered by BFL's scheduling if they did not very purposely word things so ambiguously.


Actually it's quite the opposite that has been getting them in trouble. If they gave more ambiguous ship dates for the singles we might have less people trolling them about the 4-6 weeks they promise.

Its not really trolling when its taking almost double what was promised.

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June 19, 2012, 03:50:01 AM
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exactly, and I would be far less bothered by BFL's scheduling if they did not very purposely word things so ambiguously.


Actually it's quite the opposite that has been getting them in trouble. If they gave more ambiguous ship dates for the singles we might have less people trolling them about the 4-6 weeks they promise.

sorry, very poor choice of wording on my part. Not sure why I choose to say 'ambiguously', when what I was trying to convey was something along the lines of 'cryptic'. What's another word for being purposely vague?

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June 19, 2012, 04:10:07 AM
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exactly, and I would be far less bothered by BFL's scheduling if they did not very purposely word things so ambiguously.


Actually it's quite the opposite that has been getting them in trouble. If they gave more ambiguous ship dates for the singles we might have less people trolling them about the 4-6 weeks they promise.

sorry, very poor choice of wording on my part. Not sure why I choose to say 'ambiguously', when what I was trying to convey was something along the lines of 'cryptic'. What's another word for being purposely vague?

No, "availability" is an ambiguous term - BFL was specific on the singles, then did not deliver. I suspect they are being vague now just to avoid all the flaming (not all of it undeserved) they received over the singles.

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June 19, 2012, 04:13:22 AM
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Anyone wanna take bets on the first unit not shipping until Feb or later?

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=446

I guess you'd bet no? Wink
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June 19, 2012, 01:14:25 PM
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Its not really trolling when its taking almost double what was promised.

Well, get a refund...

No, "availability" is an ambiguous term - BFL was specific on the singles, then did not deliver. I suspect they are being vague now just to avoid all the flaming (not all of it undeserved) they received over the singles.

I agree, who knows where they are at in creating the ASIC. It's quite a process. If they don't have a revision 1 of the chip by now I find it unlikely that there will be a product by the end of the year. FPGAs are much closer to a prototyping/development tool as the firmware can be blown away and reloaded. There are only so many programmable features you can practically build into an ASIC, and changes to the die require expensive and time consuming metal layer changes to the masks.
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June 19, 2012, 01:54:00 PM
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"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

Availability to butterfly labs means, "Hey guys, we are available to take your millions of dollars starting now. We will sit on this cash building THOUSANDS of dollars in interest over the next 6 months, then maybe think about shipping your items. Gotta go, busy so we can't comment on any of your complaints. Will update in next 3 months."

EDIT: also, how is the trade in going to work? Will we have to ship our singles back the day we order the ASICs and not be able to mine while we wait? Or can we trade them in when the ASICs arrive?

If the ASIC arrives, then you refuse to ship the FPGA back, so this ofcourse won't work, unless you mean the ASIC arriving to their office.
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June 19, 2012, 02:34:03 PM
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"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

Availability to butterfly labs means, "Hey guys, we are available to take your millions of dollars starting now. We will sit on this cash building THOUSANDS of dollars in interest over the next 6 months, then maybe think about shipping your items. Gotta go, busy so we can't comment on any of your complaints. Will update in next 3 months."

EDIT: also, how is the trade in going to work? Will we have to ship our singles back the day we order the ASICs and not be able to mine while we wait? Or can we trade them in when the ASICs arrive?

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Regarding the trade-in, you can keep your units until your BitForce SC is ready to be shipped.


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June 19, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
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When will pre-order begin ?
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June 19, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
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again a nice comment of bfl? What does this mean ;P

Does it mean i get an asic before i send in my fpga, or do i have to ship in that fpga before i get an asic? What is with the time while my single is on its way back to u? What about customs? etc. ....


Stop doing that to your customers Smiley

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June 19, 2012, 02:46:43 PM
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again a nice comment of bfl? What does this mean ;P

Does it mean i get an asic before i send in my fpga, or do i have to ship in that fpga before i get an asic? What is with the time while my single is on its way back to u? What about customs? etc. ....


Stop doing that to your customers Smiley

I think what they wrote is pretty easy to understand, once your ASIC is ready, you send the FPGA to them, as soon as they receive it they ship your ASIC. It can't get any fairer than that.
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June 19, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
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BFL-Engineer: Not meaning disrespect here, but is the SC Jalapeno a serious product? The idea of a small USB appliance for $150 that puts out 3.5GH/s is awesome, but I can't think of a good reason to make a coffee warmer out of it. It seems that would make the junction temperature needlessly high if you're maintaining the hot plate at 50-60C (common for most coffee warmers).

Why not do a 3.5GH/s USB hub or something where you could add a more effective heatsink and keep junction temperatures down?
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June 19, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
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BFL-Engineer: Not meaning disrespect here, but is the SC Jalapeno a serious product? The idea of a small USB appliance for $150 that puts out 3.5GH/s is awesome, but I can't think of a good reason to make a coffee warmer out of it. It seems that would make the junction temperature needlessly high if you're maintaining the hot plate at 50-60C (common for most coffee warmers).

Why not do a 3.5GH/s USB hub or something where you could add a more effective heatsink and keep junction temperatures down?

Well, our chips are not going to find much problem when they heat up, they are engineered for that.
We thought that we can channel that heat and make it useful to keep your coffee warm for example.


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June 19, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
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Regarding the trade-in, you can keep your units until your BitForce SC is ready to be shipped.

That will be nice if they'll give you credit towards your order for your existing units, and let you mine with them until the ASICs are ready to ship.
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June 19, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
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"Availability" is just meaningless in my opinion, unless BFL specifies what they mean by it.

Availability to butterfly labs means, "Hey guys, we are available to take your millions of dollars starting now. We will sit on this cash building THOUSANDS of dollars in interest over the next 6 months, then maybe think about shipping your items. Gotta go, busy so we can't comment on any of your complaints. Will update in next 3 months."

EDIT: also, how is the trade in going to work? Will we have to ship our singles back the day we order the ASICs and not be able to mine while we wait? Or can we trade them in when the ASICs arrive?

Dear Morblias,

Regarding the trade-in, you can keep your units until your BitForce SC is ready to be shipped.


Regards,
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Ready to ship or has shipped?  Those are two very separate things.

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June 19, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
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BFL-Engineer: Not meaning disrespect here, but is the SC Jalapeno a serious product? The idea of a small USB appliance for $150 that puts out 3.5GH/s is awesome, but I can't think of a good reason to make a coffee warmer out of it. It seems that would make the junction temperature needlessly high if you're maintaining the hot plate at 50-60C (common for most coffee warmers).

Why not do a 3.5GH/s USB hub or something where you could add a more effective heatsink and keep junction temperatures down?

Well, our chips are not going to find much problem when they heat up, they are engineered for that.
We thought that we can channel that heat and make it useful to keep your coffee warm for example.


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That's either some luke warm coffee or a really bad asic chip.

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June 19, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
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June 19, 2012, 03:27:28 PM
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Regarding the trade-in, you can keep your units until your BitForce SC is ready to be shipped.

Regards,
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Ready to ship or has shipped?  Those are two very separate things.

Why would they risk shipping a unit to have the person not send their current one in. I would want confirmation that 'ready to ship' does mean they have a physical unit with your name on it ready though.


BFL, why set the prices on these new units so early in the development process? We saw with the Single that you ended up lowering the price when it did not quite perform as planned. While this is great for customers it does not seem the best move from a business stand point. I assume, if the Jalepeno for example, only performed at 2.9GHs instead of 3.5 that the price would likey get adjusted. Why not wait for the first prototypes to verify your silicon and other hardware to set thoe prices?

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