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September 25, 2012, 10:01:19 AM
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As a customer of course I have a right to know what I buy.
No. You choosing to enter into a pre-order agreement does not grant you any right to additional information about the product you've pre-ordered. As an intelligent person you made the decision to place a pre-order with whatever information was available at the time. You don't gain any rights to more information after you've placed your order. If you regret your purchase, I'm sure BFL will help you cancel it.

Stop whining about people owing you information, and instead make a decision with the information you have available.
Things - and, indeed, life in general - work much more smoothly this way.
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September 30, 2012, 04:25:45 AM
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Nice new specs! 60 Ghash singles, wooo!

Wow! Is this a joke? The mini rig is at 1,500 GH/s now.
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September 30, 2012, 04:35:09 AM
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Nice new specs! 60 Ghash singles, wooo!

Wow! Is this a joke? The mini rig is at 1,500 GH/s now.

Jalapenos: 4.5GH/s
Singles: 60GH/s
MR: 1.5TH/s

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September 30, 2012, 04:35:27 AM
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lol looks like the bASIC is worrying BFL?
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September 30, 2012, 04:38:10 AM
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lol looks like the bASIC is worrying BFL?

More likely they're getting later into the development process, and they're getting more realistic numbers.

Remember, BFL did NOT want a repeat of last time, with the Single. Rather than lowering specs, they'd prolly rather start conservative, and then raise estimated specs. Lo and behold, here we are.

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September 30, 2012, 04:41:56 AM
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Probably responding to bASIC offering 54GH/s for $1099.

Still, it's a little puzzling. Did they have 50% more performance in the bag that they weren't using, or will they increase the number of chips per device? The new 4.5GH/s Jalapeno spec is still less than the old 5GH/s per chip Single spec, so an increase in the number of chips would be a possibility, but it would really destroy their timeline.

I suppose it could be coincidental and they just got the chips back and were able to clock them faster than expected, but the timing is a little convenient for that.
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September 30, 2012, 04:43:20 AM
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lol looks like the bASIC is worrying BFL?

More likely they're getting later into the development process, and they're getting more realistic numbers.

They were conservative (same way bASIC was). Competition arrived, now they are less conservative.

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September 30, 2012, 04:51:24 AM
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lol looks like the bASIC is worrying BFL?

More likely they're getting later into the development process, and they're getting more realistic numbers.

They were conservative (same way bASIC was). Competition arrived, now they are less conservative.

Way to meet the competition head on and not leave those who have pre-ordered rethinking their investment.

I still want to see what the MH/s per Watt will be on all ASIC offerings.

Interesting times ahead.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/16-Announcement-BFL-ASIC-Release-specifications
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September 30, 2012, 04:56:20 AM
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Where did they post these new numbers?
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September 30, 2012, 04:57:07 AM
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Where did they post these new numbers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/16-Announcement-BFL-ASIC-Release-specifications

Follow the link silly. Cheesy

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Announcement: BFL ASIC - Release specifications
Butterfly Labs reveals final performance specifications for it's revolutionary ASIC hardware.

BitForce Jalapeno - 4.5gh/s @ 4.5w
BitForce Single SC - 60 GH/s @ 60w
BitForce MiniRig SC - 1,500 GH/s @ 1,500w

Power figures are +/- 10% of those listed while we finish optimizing our power subsystem.

NEW An as yet named 'Little Single' device which will hash at a rate of 30 GH/s and cost USD $649.00.

You may notice that these performance figures exceed that of our previously published specification by approximately 50%. Our intention was to eventually over deliver while also being conservative during development. We had planned to reserve this performance increase for a future firmware update and was one method we planned to use to protect our customers in the event of a price war. However, due to the maturity of our development and competition in the market, we felt it was time to clarify what customers will actually receive both in speed and particularly in power consumption so they can properly evaluate their options and make good decisions. We hope it's now easier to understand the closed lip approach of our ASIC line product development.

A pledge to our customers: Butterfly Labs has always been committed to our customers. With the transition to ASIC from FPGA, we offered a 100% buyback program on the purchase price of your FPGA units towards the purchase of one of our ASIC units. This is an offer currently unmatched by any other manufacturer. People have asked why would we do this? We do this because our mission is to stand behind our customers and preserve the value of their hardware investment through all market changes, now and in the future. Simply put, you can count on us to protect your mining investment.

In summary, all current orders are automatically 4.5 GH/s - 60 GH/s or 1.5 TH/s devices. You need do nothing, just wait for delivery.

Our Value pledge: As always, our focus has been on offering the most competitive product, both in terms of initial price but also the most competitive TCO in the industry. Our current power consumption targets for our first generation ASIC products are approximately 1 GH per watt, far and away the lowest power consuming units available at any price. Not only will our products perform faster than any other product currently available, it will also cost less to run now and in the future. As with our FPGA products, when the time comes for our second generation ASIC products, we will not forget our customers and will make every effort to transition you, the customer, to the second generation ASIC as easily, quickly and in the most cost effective manner as possible.

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September 30, 2012, 04:58:49 AM
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haha.. Thanks. I'm still a little sleepy and a bit drunk. Smiley 
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September 30, 2012, 05:01:10 AM
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Our current power consumption targets for our first generation ASIC products are approximately 1 GH per watt

Interesting!

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September 30, 2012, 05:02:14 AM
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Hmm so that seems to says they only worked out the expected figures today ... they must be behind in the schedule?

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September 30, 2012, 05:03:42 AM
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Hmm so that seems to says they only worked out the expected figures today ... they must be behind in the schedule?

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You may notice that these performance figures exceed that of our previously published specification by approximately 50%. Our intention was to eventually over deliver while also being conservative during development. We had planned to reserve this performance increase for a future firmware update and was one method we planned to use to protect our customers in the event of a price war. However, due to the maturity of our development and competition in the market, we felt it was time to clarify what customers will actually receive both in speed and particularly in power consumption so they can properly evaluate their options and make good decisions. We hope it's now easier to understand the closed lip approach of our ASIC line product development.

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September 30, 2012, 05:04:02 AM
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Hmm so that seems to says they only worked out the expected figures today ... they must be behind in the schedule?

Uh, well yeah,  It's pretty well know they are behind schedule a little.  They were supposed to ship in September, but they pushed that back to October / November.. so yeah.  But, If they ship in Oct. Nov. I really don't mind since I am getting more hash power in my Single Smiley
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September 30, 2012, 05:04:42 AM
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Our current power consumption targets for our first generation ASIC products are approximately 1 GH per watt

Interesting!

Indeed

20Amp Plugs here we come!
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September 30, 2012, 05:14:18 AM
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They were supposed to ship in September, but they pushed that back to October / November.. so yeah.
I've never heard them say September. All I've ever heard was October, then October/November, and now beginning of November.

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September 30, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
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No to USB3 and No wall adapter.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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September 30, 2012, 05:25:20 AM
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No to USB3 and No wall adapter.


This then?



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September 30, 2012, 05:52:21 AM
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Wait so.. conservative estimate... then planned they to update firmware for faster speeds to be competitive? Doesn't this seem a little bit odd (or even underhanded) to anyone else?
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