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June 24, 2012, 04:10:20 AM
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Are they ignoring others is it just me?

A company that doesn't answers even pre-sales messages is really hard to trust and we're talking thousands of dollars.

I'm gonna say the same thing I've told other people - It takes a while. They've been very busy the past week or two, and sometimes it takes a few days for them to answer you.

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June 24, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
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However with ASIC, BFL is the ONLY one has the technology available (timing is the key here). You must be blind to not see how powerful that is. They will dictate the bitcoin's future. Bitcoin is based on open and decentralized community.

I see your point however this is the real world here...  someone makes something that no one else can, they will dominate the market! If that domination destroys the market then so be it.   Then it was not ment to be.

Bitcon must exist in the real world and we can not hope that someone does not do something to destroy it.  Bitcoin must survive based on the realities of our world.  PERIOD.

Now with that said I agree our situation is less than ideal however, I do not see how BFL will shoot them selves in the foot, in fact if they are successful many will copy them and they will have market competition.

I feel if they can do this ASIC boards then it will work out well for bitcoin.
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June 24, 2012, 05:08:36 AM
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Are they ignoring others is it just me?

A company that doesn't answers even pre-sales messages is really hard to trust and we're talking thousands of dollars.

This is normal for them Jody will respond to you next week.
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June 24, 2012, 06:23:33 AM
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Are they ignoring others is it just me?

A company that doesn't answers even pre-sales messages is really hard to trust and we're talking thousands of dollars.

This is normal for them Jody will respond to you next week.

So how many weeks do I have to wait before I get a reply to mine?  3? 4?  Busy month I guess.

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June 24, 2012, 06:26:18 AM
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Are they ignoring others is it just me?

A company that doesn't answers even pre-sales messages is really hard to trust and we're talking thousands of dollars.

This is normal for them Jody will respond to you next week.

So how many weeks do I have to wait before I get a reply to mine?  3? 4?  Busy month I guess.

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June 24, 2012, 06:27:40 AM
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Are they ignoring others is it just me?

A company that doesn't answers even pre-sales messages is really hard to trust and we're talking thousands of dollars.

This is normal for them Jody will respond to you next week.

So how many weeks do I have to wait before I get a reply to mine?  3? 4?  Busy month I guess.

"We will respond to all emails sent this year within 500 days of receipt."

(note lack of source for quote)

I almost feel like there should be a mailing list, just to prove that the emails are getting sent to them and they're just choosy in who they reply to.

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June 24, 2012, 07:03:17 AM
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However with ASIC, BFL is the ONLY one has the technology available (timing is the key here). You must be blind to not see how powerful that is. They will dictate the bitcoin's future. Bitcoin is based on open and decentralized community.

I see your point however this is the real world here...  someone makes something that no one else can, they will dominate the market! If that domination destroys the market then so be it.   Then it was not ment to be.

Bitcon must exist in the real world and we can not hope that someone does not do something to destroy it.  Bitcoin must survive based on the realities of our world.  PERIOD.

Now with that said I agree our situation is less than ideal however, I do not see how BFL will shoot them selves in the foot, in fact if they are successful many will copy them and they will have market competition.

I feel if they can do this ASIC boards then it will work out well for bitcoin.

You must have problem reading or want to put words in my mouth.

I never said BFL shoot themselves in the foot. Its the miners/customers that make purchase/investment based on ROI thats out of their control.

I even said clearly, BFL will be the one holding cash, they're effectively mining without even mining , got that? ... think of their products as bond/share and they control the dividend.

As for your other point, i dont expect bitcoin in an ideal world. Thats why i think its time for bitcoin to be evolved. But just do nothing and "if it fails it fails" why bother with this project then?
 
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June 24, 2012, 07:15:43 AM
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However with ASIC, BFL is the ONLY one has the technology available (timing is the key here). You must be blind to not see how powerful that is. They will dictate the bitcoin's future. Bitcoin is based on open and decentralized community.

I see your point however this is the real world here...  someone makes something that no one else can, they will dominate the market! If that domination destroys the market then so be it.   Then it was not ment to be.

Bitcon must exist in the real world and we can not hope that someone does not do something to destroy it.  Bitcoin must survive based on the realities of our world.  PERIOD.

Now with that said I agree our situation is less than ideal however, I do not see how BFL will shoot them selves in the foot, in fact if they are successful many will copy them and they will have market competition.

I feel if they can do this ASIC boards then it will work out well for bitcoin.

You must have problem reading or want to put words in my mouth.

I never said BFL shoot themselves in the foot. Its the miners/customers that make purchase/investment based on ROI thats out of their control.

I even said clearly, BFL will be the one holding cash, they're effectively mining without even mining , got that? ... think of their products as bond/share and they control the dividend.

As for your other point, i dont expect bitcoin in an ideal world. Thats why i think its time for bitcoin to be evolved. But just do nothing and "if it fails it fails" why bother with this project then?
 


OK I'm not sure what are we arguing about when we agree.

As for the answer to your question is, I believe bitcoin will not fail.
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June 24, 2012, 11:50:46 AM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.

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June 24, 2012, 01:04:04 PM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.

Why wouldn't they be able to ship it ? It is a damn coffee warmer = TINY !

You still have to pay 20% VAT though, gotta love taxes Kiss
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June 24, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.
Um, you do realise that the Jalapeno price is similar, or possibly even more expensive $/BTC generated than the current 6950 price right?

The jump from a ~365Mh/s 6950 to a 3.5GH/s Jalapeno is an order of magnitude - or more specifically 9.6 times
But are you seriously thinking that difficulty will not rise well above 10 times - more likely 20 times, if these 1TH/s boxes and hundreds/thousands of Jalapeno's and SC Single's arrive?

The price will most likely end up not being cheap at all considering todays price standards for GPUs vs BTC they generate

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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.
Um, you do realise that the Jalapeno price is similar, or possibly even more expensive $/BTC generated than the current 6950 price right?

The jump from a ~365Mh/s 6950 to a 3.5GH/s Jalapeno is an order of magnitude - or more specifically 9.6 times
But are you seriously thinking that difficulty will not rise well above 10 times - more likely 20 times, if these 1TH/s boxes and hundreds/thousands of Jalapeno's and SC Single's arrive?

The price will most likely end up not being cheap at all considering todays price standards for GPUs vs BTC they generate
I am interested to hear people's guesses as to how much difficulty will increase and how quickly.

If I added myself to the waiting list for a Jalapeno today, would difficulty have already increased x10 by the time I receive it?

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June 24, 2012, 01:36:56 PM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.

Why wouldn't they be able to ship it ? It is a damn coffee warmer = TINY !

You still have to pay 20% VAT though, gotta love taxes Kiss

When you order they have an option for international priority shipping, so yes they can ship to the UK.
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June 24, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.

Why wouldn't they be able to ship it ? It is a damn coffee warmer = TINY !

You still have to pay 20% VAT though, gotta love taxes Kiss

When you order they have an option for international priority shipping, so yes they can ship to the UK.

Better be with insurance... Who is responsible if item arrives broken due to mishandling during transportation or if simply doesn't arrive? These things aren't often, but I think it should be made clear prior to placing the order how these events would be handled by the seller.
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June 24, 2012, 05:20:52 PM
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I'd like to grab the BitForce SC Jalapeno @3.5GHashs when it's available as this is many times more powerful than my HD6950 gpu (400Mhash/s) and for much less power/heat/noise.If they can ship this to UK I'm in.

I'm very happy to see this news as I've wanted to move away from GPUs for quite a while now but couldn't before as the price was a little steep for me.
Um, you do realise that the Jalapeno price is similar, or possibly even more expensive $/BTC generated than the current 6950 price right?

The jump from a ~365Mh/s 6950 to a 3.5GH/s Jalapeno is an order of magnitude - or more specifically 9.6 times
But are you seriously thinking that difficulty will not rise well above 10 times - more likely 20 times, if these 1TH/s boxes and hundreds/thousands of Jalapeno's and SC Single's arrive?

The price will most likely end up not being cheap at all considering todays price standards for GPUs vs BTC they generate
I am interested to hear people's guesses as to how much difficulty will increase and how quickly.

If I added myself to the waiting list for a Jalapeno today, would difficulty have already increased x10 by the time I receive it?

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40 TH for trade-in's by my estimation.

Once BFL gets over the delivery hump ROI will be about the same as it is now.  Unless people go bat shit crazy and spend 3x what they normally would. 

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June 24, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
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BFL-Engineer: Not meaning disrespect here, but is the SC Jalapeno a serious product? The idea of a small USB appliance for $150 that puts out 3.5GH/s is awesome, but I can't think of a good reason to make a coffee warmer out of it. It seems that would make the junction temperature needlessly high if you're maintaining the hot plate at 50-60C (common for most coffee warmers).

Why not do a 3.5GH/s USB hub or something where you could add a more effective heatsink and keep junction temperatures down?

Well, our chips are not going to find much problem when they heat up, they are engineered for that.
We thought that we can channel that heat and make it useful to keep your coffee warm for example.


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What tempratures could they handle then if I may ask?
Thanks for an answer.

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June 25, 2012, 03:18:46 AM
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Also, what about the projected power draw ?

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June 25, 2012, 04:04:50 AM
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Also, what about the projected power draw ?

We estimated 2-3 Watts for the Jalapeno, and 700 Watts for the 1 Thash/s Mini-rig.

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June 25, 2012, 04:41:04 AM
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urr mah gawd...

I just read this whole fracking thread in one sitting. I would like to thank the community for the fun and hilarious
read as most people's panties just got tied up in a knot and went straight into their butt hole.

Not much I can say to add to this thread as someone else already beat me to it.. basically comments and
questions I had have already been stated or asked. I could make a few snarky comments or jokes but alas...
it is just too easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

But maybe someone knows this tho... How many singles are still waiting to ship to people who paid
Weeks ago?..

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June 25, 2012, 04:48:24 AM
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urr mah gawd...

I just read this whole fracking thread in one sitting. I would like to think the community for the fun and hilarious
read as most people's panties just got tied up in a knot and went straight into their butt hole.

Not much I can say to add to this thread and someone else already beat me to it.. basically comments and
questions I had have already been stated or asked. I could make a few snarky comments or jokes but alas...
it is just too easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Yep, as they say:
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