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May 17, 2016, 04:19:36 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
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bitbitch
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May 17, 2016, 04:29:55 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that's behaviour. |
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xxxgoodgirls
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May 17, 2016, 04:34:06 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? |
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May 17, 2016, 04:41:44 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? |
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bitcoinrocks
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May 17, 2016, 04:44:57 PM |
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How could they have been sent through a mixer if the XEL will be sent to the address from which the send originated? Or you're saying they were mixed prior to sending? Either way, I sent more than .5btc and I didn't use a mixer.
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May 17, 2016, 04:58:08 PM |
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i'm sure the devs will be along soon enough to clear up the confusion.
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May 17, 2016, 05:32:44 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? and why should you do that? |
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bitbitch
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May 17, 2016, 06:00:17 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? and why should you do that? English modal verbs can be a bit tricky to master |
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May 17, 2016, 06:05:13 PM |
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I like the idea of the Elastic supercomputer. It is a great way of making the blockchain even more useful than before. Can't wait for its official release. I have the feeling that this is going to be huge.  Invested in this project already, considering to invest more now  Completely agree, have high hopes for Elastic. Slow and steady, devs you are doing a fantastic job! |
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May 17, 2016, 06:19:18 PM |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? and why should you do that? English modal verbs can be a bit tricky to master i see your point, but you would only fake donations to your own ICO. but for what? so that others feel more inclined to donate? the effect is so small thats not worth it. |
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bitcoinrocks
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May 17, 2016, 06:39:21 PM |
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To receive XEL at no cost.
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May 17, 2016, 06:41:13 PM |
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To receive XEL at no cost.
That makes sense. But, wouldn't the XELs go to the public key of the address the payment is going to be received from? If they use a mixer, how are they going to get the XELs?  |
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Lannister (OP)
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May 18, 2016, 06:59:34 AM
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There is one think i am trying to understand, there is a mixer involved for every donation above 0,5btc which makes them very suspicious. Am i missing something here or is it just a coincides? Simple enough, all donations above 0,5btc are untraceable due to mixing. Is it just a coincidence? I have a feeling that those donations are made by the project owners. Do i need to be more clear? Yet another group of trolls who posts deliberately inflammatory messages which cause a lot of confusion in the community. Or is this just another iceberg of misinterpretation and misconception? I'm irritated. To bring this discussion to an end, as far as I'm concerned of, there is no reliable way to distinguish a mixed transaction from a regular transaction (unless it's coin join). Now, that you claim that you have found a magic algorithm which consistently identifies mixed transactions, would you mind sharing it with us? This would help us all to verify your allegations. I give you 3 BTC if you can do so within the next 24 hours. |
No, I will not disclose my real name on the Internet. The very simple reason I’m anonymous is so that I can talk freely about a free web. One mistake people often make is having the faulty assumption that knowing my real name or my association with a respected person, group or organization might get them to trust me more. In fact, I have no authority here. Elastic Project is a loosely associated group of developers which constantly changes over time. If you prefer projects with a more centralized structure, then please move on. Specifically, I kindly ask you to refrain from any messages that try to convince me of the contrary. My time is too valuable to be wasted with the same discussion again and again.
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May 18, 2016, 10:04:16 AM |
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There is one think i am trying to understand, there is a mixer involved for every donation above 0,5btc which makes them very suspicious. Am i missing something here or is it just a coincides? Simple enough, all donations above 0,5btc are untraceable due to mixing. Is it just a coincidence? I have a feeling that those donations are made by the project owners. Do i need to be more clear? Yet another group of trolls who posts deliberately inflammatory messages which cause a lot of confusion in the community. Or is this just another iceberg of misinterpretation and misconception? I'm irritated. To bring this discussion to an end, as far as I'm concerned of, there is no reliable way to distinguish a mixed transaction from a regular transaction (unless it's coin join). Now, that you claim that you have found a magic algorithm which consistently identifies mixed transactions, would you mind sharing it with us? This would help us all to verify your allegations. I give you 3 BTC if you can do so within the next 24 hours. Hello World, This mentalpanda guy is writing bullshit. These are all normal looking and entirely different compared to each other. In 1BeyK8UPBAuvKahaeLbdDBwuqu1WJRdnca and 1C1ZXeQUJQGi8GL7iyjoi6zfGd4EC25981 for example, the user aggregates many unspent outputs into one address and donates the entire amount from there. This is the recommended procedure in the howto desciption. 1K4iZ9FFDx5CyAWKgfTH3hSCnVRtrmm1eS does it differently. He does not aggregation at all because he already has an unspent output of 2 BTC of which he donates 1.5 BTC and sends 0.5 BTC change to one of his change addresses. 1Gx4nmEt8VyNeSjn675o3bHZ7VSaZjS5yk is a totally different case. Here he either mixed or he withdrew 2.22 BTC to his address of which he donated 2 BTC and sent 0.22 BTC as change to one of his change addresses. It is impossible to tell if the btc came from a mixer, from an exchange or from somewhere else. The quoted addresses which mentalpanda quoted are ALL DIFFERENT. Some of them 100% have not used a mixer, for others we can't tell. I would say, mental panda is a full troll and went from HERO TO ZERO in just one post. Jonas |
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ttookk
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May 18, 2016, 11:00:45 AM |
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Hey,
I got a possibly stupid question which is probably already answered, I'm gonna ask it anyways: How exactly is the success of certain operations measured? In case of finding prime numbers, it is relatively simple, but what about, let's say, finding the smallest possible amount of steps to fulfill a certain task? Provided, you can't determine the amount of steps beforehand, how do you measure success?
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May 18, 2016, 11:46:16 AM |
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Hey,
I got a possibly stupid question which is probably already answered, I'm gonna ask it anyways: How exactly is the success of certain operations measured? In case of finding prime numbers, it is relatively simple, but what about, let's say, finding the smallest possible amount of steps to fulfill a certain task? Provided, you can't determine the amount of steps beforehand, how do you measure success?
I think that the creator of the job has to make it well-defined, and the network mitigates the possible attack vectors. |
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May 18, 2016, 03:07:45 PM |
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It seems like we trolls are causing some problems for those who donated to Elastic project as well as those who are reciving these donations. It was a simple question and most of you decided to ignore it and call me and panda trolls instead of thinking it through and wait for a logical answer from the developers. You guys might think those transactions are normal, I don`t.
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bitbitch
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May 18, 2016, 04:33:07 PM |
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It seems like we trolls are causing some problems for those who donated to Elastic project as well as those who are reciving these donations. It was a simple question and most of you decided to ignore it and call me and panda trolls instead of thinking it through and wait for a logical answer from the developers. You guys might think those transactions are normal, I don`t.
if they are not normal transactions what by their abnormal nature do they suggest to you? |
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Lannister (OP)
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May 18, 2016, 04:46:00 PM |
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You guys might think those transactions are normal, I don`t.
First of all, please tell us what is so abnormal about those transactions. |
No, I will not disclose my real name on the Internet. The very simple reason I’m anonymous is so that I can talk freely about a free web. One mistake people often make is having the faulty assumption that knowing my real name or my association with a respected person, group or organization might get them to trust me more. In fact, I have no authority here. Elastic Project is a loosely associated group of developers which constantly changes over time. If you prefer projects with a more centralized structure, then please move on. Specifically, I kindly ask you to refrain from any messages that try to convince me of the contrary. My time is too valuable to be wasted with the same discussion again and again.
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May 19, 2016, 05:48:29 AM |
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This is the last chance to explain 1.) what is so abnormal about all transaction and 2.) how we all can verify that the quoted transactions were mixed. I am asking this the third time now. I think that you can't or don't want to answer. Either way, if you do not explain your allegations withing the next 6 hours I will remove this entire discussion from this thread.
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No, I will not disclose my real name on the Internet. The very simple reason I’m anonymous is so that I can talk freely about a free web. One mistake people often make is having the faulty assumption that knowing my real name or my association with a respected person, group or organization might get them to trust me more. In fact, I have no authority here. Elastic Project is a loosely associated group of developers which constantly changes over time. If you prefer projects with a more centralized structure, then please move on. Specifically, I kindly ask you to refrain from any messages that try to convince me of the contrary. My time is too valuable to be wasted with the same discussion again and again.
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