Do you believe in god?

[iluvbitcoins]

Science theory is guesswork. Science law is fact. So, science as a whole is guesswork. The wise person depends on science law.

You don't know if there is anything behind the wall. If you are in construction, your experience might suggest it. Smash through your wall to see if there is anything back there.

NO, Fluffer! Don't really do this. I had to tell you not to do it. Otherwise you just might go around smashing walls to see if there is anything behind them.

You seem very unfamiliar with science.

Science theory is not guesswork

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

Even a hypothesis isn't guesswork  

A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research.

A different meaning of the term hypothesis is used in formal logic, to denote the antecedent of a proposition; thus in the proposition "If P, then Q", P denotes the hypothesis (or antecedent); Q can be called a consequent. P is the assumption in a (possibly counterfactual) What If question.

The adjective hypothetical, meaning "having the nature of a hypothesis", or "being assumed to exist as an immediate consequence of a hypothesis", can refer to any of these meanings of the term "hypothesis".

You might not see what's behind a wall, but you can use science to prove what lies beyond with utmost certainty  

[BADecker]

Science theory is guesswork. Science law is fact. So, science as a whole is guesswork. The wise person depends on science law.

You don't know if there is anything behind the wall. If you are in construction, your experience might suggest it. Smash through your wall to see if there is anything back there.

NO, Fluffer! Don't really do this. I had to tell you not to do it. Otherwise you just might go around smashing walls to see if there is anything behind them.

You seem very unfamiliar with science.

Science theory is not guesswork

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

Even a hypothesis isn't guesswork  

A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research.

A different meaning of the term hypothesis is used in formal logic, to denote the antecedent of a proposition; thus in the proposition "If P, then Q", P denotes the hypothesis (or antecedent); Q can be called a consequent. P is the assumption in a (possibly counterfactual) What If question.

The adjective hypothetical, meaning "having the nature of a hypothesis", or "being assumed to exist as an immediate consequence of a hypothesis", can refer to any of these meanings of the term "hypothesis".

You might not see what's behind a wall, but you can use science to prove what lies beyond with utmost certainty  

If it is not science law, it is science guesswork. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem factual... it might even be based on science law... but if it is science theory, it is not known to be science law, and is, therefore, guesswork.

Using science to find out what is behind the wall is the exact reason I told Fluffer not to do it. Once he had used the science of smashing through the wall, he'd have to go to the trouble of putting the wall back together. It might never be as good as it was originally. Of course, if he is going to remodel anyway, have at the smashing science.

[BADecker]

Science theory is guesswork. Science law is fact. So, science as a whole is guesswork. The wise person depends on science law.

You don't know if there is anything behind the wall. If you are in construction, your experience might suggest it. Smash through your wall to see if there is anything back there.

NO, Fluffer! Don't really do this. I had to tell you not to do it. Otherwise you just might go around smashing walls to see if there is anything behind them.

You seem very unfamiliar with science.

Science theory is not guesswork

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

Even a hypothesis isn't guesswork  

A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research.

A different meaning of the term hypothesis is used in formal logic, to denote the antecedent of a proposition; thus in the proposition "If P, then Q", P denotes the hypothesis (or antecedent); Q can be called a consequent. P is the assumption in a (possibly counterfactual) What If question.

The adjective hypothetical, meaning "having the nature of a hypothesis", or "being assumed to exist as an immediate consequence of a hypothesis", can refer to any of these meanings of the term "hypothesis".

You might not see what's behind a wall, but you can use science to prove what lies beyond with utmost certainty  

If it is not science law, it is science guesswork. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem factual... it might even be based on science law... but if it is science theory, it is not known to be science law, and is, therefore, guesswork.

Using science to find out what is behind the wall is the exact reason I told Fluffer not to do it. Once he had used the science of smashing through the wall, he'd have to go to the trouble of putting the wall back together. It might never be as good as it was originally. Of course, if he is going to remodel anyway, have at the smashing science.

What are you talking about?  Religious people are the intellectually laziest people I know.  They refuse to investigate any unknowns. Instead, they replace any unknowns with 'God'.
'God' concept allows them to stop thinking.  'God' controls everything, so 'we don't need to worry about shit'.

What I am talking about is the fact that science and nature prove that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

But atheists simply won't accept science fact. Rather, they accept as true, science theory which is not known to be true, thereby making it a religion for themselves.

Religion and science do not mix.  

Science that is not known to be true, yet is believed to be true, is a religion for those who believe it. Science is not supposed to be this way, but science theory that is believed to be true is religion in the heart of the believer.

Science is about learning how the world works, develop new technology, progress.  Science is cumulative. Science is reviewed and revised as we learn more about how the world works.

Nobody has to believe that science theory is factual. If nobody did, science wouldn't be religion. But because all kinds of people believe the unknowns of science to be true and factual, they have made science into a religion for themselves.

Religion is about sitting in the cave, be happy it does not rain on your head, and pray for the Sun to come up tomorrow.  Religion is fixed, written in a book.

And, really. It's about time you atheists and science theory believers came out of your cave.

It offends me when people stop thinking, that is why religious ideology (it does not matter which one) offends me.

Religious people are intellectually DEAD, so stop pretending you understand anything about science.  You cannot discern reality, you talk to your imaginary friend, WTF?
How in the world you can function in today's world is beyond me.

Science will unpeel your 'God' ideology like an onion, layer by layer.

This is exactly the thing that I am saying. But it doesn't seem to be working for you and many other science theory believers and atheists.

[BADecker]

Science theory is guesswork. Science law is fact. So, science as a whole is guesswork. The wise person depends on science law.

You don't know if there is anything behind the wall. If you are in construction, your experience might suggest it. Smash through your wall to see if there is anything back there.

NO, Fluffer! Don't really do this. I had to tell you not to do it. Otherwise you just might go around smashing walls to see if there is anything behind them.

You seem very unfamiliar with science.

Science theory is not guesswork

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

Even a hypothesis isn't guesswork  

A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research.

A different meaning of the term hypothesis is used in formal logic, to denote the antecedent of a proposition; thus in the proposition "If P, then Q", P denotes the hypothesis (or antecedent); Q can be called a consequent. P is the assumption in a (possibly counterfactual) What If question.

The adjective hypothetical, meaning "having the nature of a hypothesis", or "being assumed to exist as an immediate consequence of a hypothesis", can refer to any of these meanings of the term "hypothesis".

You might not see what's behind a wall, but you can use science to prove what lies beyond with utmost certainty  

If it is not science law, it is science guesswork. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem factual... it might even be based on science law... but if it is science theory, it is not known to be science law, and is, therefore, guesswork.

Using science to find out what is behind the wall is the exact reason I told Fluffer not to do it. Once he had used the science of smashing through the wall, he'd have to go to the trouble of putting the wall back together. It might never be as good as it was originally. Of course, if he is going to remodel anyway, have at the smashing science.

What are you talking about?  Religious people are the intellectually laziest people I know.  They refuse to investigate any unknowns. Instead, they replace any unknowns with 'God'.
'God' concept allows them to stop thinking.  'God' controls everything, so 'we don't need to worry about shit'.

What I am talking about is the fact that science and nature prove that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

But atheists simply won't accept science fact. Rather, they accept as true, science theory which is not known to be true, thereby making it a religion for themselves.

Religion and science do not mix.  

Science that is not known to be true, yet is believed to be true, is a religion for those who believe it. Science is not supposed to be this way, but science theory that is believed to be true is religion in the heart of the believer.

Science is about learning how the world works, develop new technology, progress.  Science is cumulative. Science is reviewed and revised as we learn more about how the world works.

Nobody has to believe that science theory is factual. If nobody did, science wouldn't be religion. But because all kinds of people believe the unknowns of science to be true and factual, they have made science into a religion for themselves.

Religion is about sitting in the cave, be happy it does not rain on your head, and pray for the Sun to come up tomorrow.  Religion is fixed, written in a book.

And, really. It's about time you atheists and science theory believers came out of your cave.

It offends me when people stop thinking, that is why religious ideology (it does not matter which one) offends me.

Religious people are intellectually DEAD, so stop pretending you understand anything about science.  You cannot discern reality, you talk to your imaginary friend, WTF?
How in the world you can function in today's world is beyond me.

Science will unpeel your 'God' ideology like an onion, layer by layer.

This is exactly the thing that I am saying. But it doesn't seem to be working for you and many other science theory believers and atheists.

You simply don't understand how the science works.  
How is the scientific progress made?  
How any scientific theory is peer reviewed, how theories are validated and invalidated in the lab.

What? Are you trying to say that unvalidated science theories are fact? If that is what you are saying, you have a lot to learn about science.

You don't understand any science.  You try to cherry pick it, just like you cherry pick your Bible.

You are way off base. You can't even tell the difference between science theory and science fact, even after I have shown it to you over and over. If you don't like Bible cherry picking, stop doing it... go out and get a Bible and get the whole thing into yourself.

Very intellectually dishonest but then again, you are stuck with the bronze age world view that is constantly challenged by the scientific discoveries.
So you trail behind science and twist your religious dogma to fit the reality.  But it is getting harder and harder...right?

If you would stop misrepresenting science, I wouldn't sound like I was intellectually dishonest to you. But you would keep on anyway, because you are just a troll who doesn't understand science, and barely how to think.

[stats]

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

Stats I already answered your question but you may have missed it upthread so I will try one last time.

Let's look at another similar example.

Exodus 31:14
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

According to your interpretation stats we should execute everyone we see working on Saturday?
Personally I feel that such an action would violate the Biblical prohibition on murder don't you?

What is the actual meaning? I think it means is that if we work 7 days a week we make slaves of ourselves separating ourselves from our families and communities and over the long run doing so is extremely bad for us  even fatal. The Japanese call this Karōshi literally death from work.

The following five minute clip from Prager university covers this in more depth.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/remember-sabbath

Not my interpretation CoinCube.... your bible says so.

It was commented that because it says to pray in the Bible, then you should pray.  I'm just highlighting the inconsistencies in the book by showing how there are many situations in the bible which tell people to do things which people ignore.

[CoinCube]

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

Stats I already answered your question but you may have missed it upthread so I will try one last time.

Let's look at another similar example.

Exodus 31:14
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

According to your interpretation stats we should execute everyone we see working on Saturday?
Personally I feel that such an action would violate the Biblical prohibition on murder don't you?

What is the actual meaning? I think it means is that if we work 7 days a week we make slaves of ourselves separating ourselves from our families and communities and over the long run doing so is extremely bad for us  even fatal. The Japanese call this Karōshi literally death from work.

The following five minute clip from Prager university covers this in more depth.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/remember-sabbath

Not my interpretation CoinCube.... your bible says so.

It was commented that because it says to pray in the Bible, then you should pray.  I'm just highlighting the inconsistencies in the book by showing how there are many situations in the bible which tell people to do things which people ignore.

If we operate from the premise that the Bible/Torah was given to man by a higher power then it must be the core of a Logically Sound and Fuctionally Complete moral code. It follows that the text must contain tremendous depth and nuance given its brevity.

The interpretation of the words "put to death" as meaning we should murder everyone who does work on the sabbath contradicts the Biblical commandment against murder. Such an interpretation would make the Bible/Torah morally incomprehensible.

Thus our interpretation must be flawed. The most likely source of error lies in a misinterpretation of the phrase "put to death" as I described above.

 

[CoinCube]

The error in your thinking is stated in your first sentence.  You are making the same mistake as Muslims (or any other religious people) make.
Muslims advocating Sharia Law use the same erroneous argument.

If it was higher power responsible for the delivery of the message, all books revealed by that power would just appear instantaneously, translated into 120 languages, all in one instance, at the time of creation.  And all other 'fake message' books would be torn apart by the same power, all at once.

Instead, you have a Bible, written by 40+ authors, over the course of 2500 years.  Same goes for Quran, written decades after the fact.

If it was higher power responsible for it, it would not need people to write it, edit it, and translate it.

Literary works are done by people.  

I can think of three possible conclusions which can follow from your argument above af_newbie

1) There is one true religion with one true holy text and the rest represent creations or additions by man.

2) All religions are entirely man made and thus nothing more than human opinion.

3) Religion is a reflection of truth who's message may or may not be distorted by man's additions or translations but who's fundamental essence remains one of truth.

You choose option #2 and I am still deciding between option #1 and #3. I disagree with your argument that a higher power would destroy 'fake message' books for that would invalidate free will. At a fundamental level religion is about choice.

I agree that some aspect of the Torah/Old Testament are challenging. This is largely due to the fact that we have made significant moral progress over the years and have difficulty relating on any level to what the world was like thousands of years ago. The error of atheism in my opinion is a failure to understand that religion itself was is the fundamental driver of this progress.

Below is an article on the topic if you are interested.

A Jewish Response to Modern Atheism
http://www.oxfordchabad.org/templates/blog/post_cdo/AID/708481/PostID/24832

[QuestionAuthority]

You people are still pretending you can use logic and reason with a bible banger. If they had the ability for reason and logic they wouldn't be bible bangers in the first place.

Oh, and they wouldn't marry their cousins and sisters like Saddam Hussein and Jerry Lee Lewis did.

[BADecker]

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

Stats I already answered your question but you may have missed it upthread so I will try one last time.

Let's look at another similar example.

Exodus 31:14
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

According to your interpretation stats we should execute everyone we see working on Saturday?
Personally I feel that such an action would violate the Biblical prohibition on murder don't you?

What is the actual meaning? I think it means is that if we work 7 days a week we make slaves of ourselves separating ourselves from our families and communities and over the long run doing so is extremely bad for us  even fatal. The Japanese call this Karōshi literally death from work.

The following five minute clip from Prager university covers this in more depth.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/remember-sabbath

Not my interpretation CoinCube.... your bible says so.

It was commented that because it says to pray in the Bible, then you should pray.  I'm just highlighting the inconsistencies in the book by showing how there are many situations in the bible which tell people to do things which people ignore.

If we operate from the premise that there the Bible/Torah was given to man by a higher power than it must be a Logically Sound and Fuctionally Complete moral code. If that is the case it follows that the text must contain tremendous depth and nuance given its brevity.

The interpretation that the words "put to death" as means that we should murder everyone who does work on the sabbath contradicts the Biblical commandment against murder. Such an interpretation would make the Bible/Torah morally incomprehensible.

Thus it follows that our interpretation is flawed. The most likely source of error lies in an overly simplistic interpretation of the phrase "put to death" as I described above.

 

The error in your thinking is stated in your first sentence.  You are making the same mistake as Muslims (or any other religious people) make.
Muslims advocating Sharia Law use the same erroneous argument.

If it was higher power responsible for the delivery of the message, all books revealed by that power would just appear instantaneously, translated into 120 languages, all in one instance, at the time of creation.  And all other 'fake message' books would be torn apart by the same power, all at once.

Instead, you have a Bible, written by 40+ authors, over the course of 2500 years.  Same goes for Quran, written decades after the fact.

If it was higher power responsible for it, it would not need people to write it, edit it, and translate it.

Literary works are done by people.  

The foundational, basic science of cause and effect shows that God is behind the making of all books and of everything. What we are missing is the why and how He is behind it all.

The point is, God wrote His own Book by causing the writers who actually penned it to write what they did.

The second point is, since God wants freedom for us, while at the same time He wants to remain in control, God actually causes the things that we think we freely do and write, to often happen according to our wishes... and without us even realizing that He is behind it all... until we examine the way things work, scientifically.

[iluvbitcoins]

If it is not science law, it is science guesswork. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem factual... it might even be based on science law... but if it is science theory, it is not known to be science law, and is, therefore, guesswork.

Using science to find out what is behind the wall is the exact reason I told Fluffer not to do it. Once he had used the science of smashing through the wall, he'd have to go to the trouble of putting the wall back together. It might never be as good as it was originally. Of course, if he is going to remodel anyway, have at the smashing science.

It is not an apple, it is a pear. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem like an apple.. it might even be an apple...
but if it is an apple, it is not known to be an apple, and is, therefore, a pear.

[BADecker]

....
The point is, God wrote His own Book by causing the writers who actually penned it to write what they did.

The second point is, since God wants freedom for us, while at the same time He wants to remain in control, God actually causes the things that we think we freely do and write, to often happen according to our wishes... and without us even realizing that He is behind it all... until we examine the way things work, scientifically.

So HE decided to 'inspire' 40+ writers over the course of 2500 years!!!  Please, you do not really believe that!!!

Talk about lazy and unsure God.

The real reason this book was written was to provide some guidance on how to manage social interactions.

Around the time when the agricultural revolution started, first cities were formed as people did not have to wonder around for food.
Agricultural revolution allowed for the fast expansion of the population.  This created problems.

It is very easy to manage a group of 40-50 hunters & gatherers.  But it is nearly impossible to manage a group of 5000+ people.
So myths and 'God laws' had to be written down so that the ruling class could reference them and implement the laws by killing the violators.

This helped to reduce crime.  That is the real reason why this book was written, by people for other people.

First you express that God doesn't exist. Then you suggest that I don't really believe that He did something He did. Then you suggest that He is lazy and unsure when you know that He created the universe to operate by cause and effect, which is way beyond anything we can even imagine doing. Then you seem to suggest that He wasn't behind the writing of the Bible at all.

The thing that is amazing is that you, somebody who doesn't seem sure about the existence of God or not, haven't gone out and expressed your own personal volumes of knowledge about the workings of nature and everything else. I mean, a funny farm resident might do just that.

And you can see by the humble videos of Graham Hancock and others, that archaeology shows us that there really were no hunter gatherers thousands of years ago that were any different than ours today in various parts of the world. In addition, there were great technologies in the prehistory, just like there are today, as shown by these same videos. Consider Gobekli Tepe.

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

[dippididodaday]

If it is not science law, it is science guesswork. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem factual... it might even be based on science law... but if it is science theory, it is not known to be science law, and is, therefore, guesswork.

Using science to find out what is behind the wall is the exact reason I told Fluffer not to do it. Once he had used the science of smashing through the wall, he'd have to go to the trouble of putting the wall back together. It might never be as good as it was originally. Of course, if he is going to remodel anyway, have at the smashing science.

It is not an apple, it is a pear. It might be based on a whole lot of things that seem like an apple.. it might even be an apple...
but if it is an apple, it is not known to be an apple, and is, therefore, a pear.

Lol, this is soo funny. 

[digaran]

What happens if no one does? how does a cell know to become an organ? how do we know that we'll need eyes or ears before we even born?
DNA you might say? how could DNA know to store the calcium our body needs during the day in our nails at nights? how does a flower knows what bees like before it comes to be?
One can not start from a single IQless living creature to become and forks to millions of other complicated and sophisticated with high IQ score, you can't be a scam and useless altcoin and evolve to bitcoin lol.

[stats]

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

And there you go again BADecker, choosing to belittle those of us who challenge you.

Tell me, what is wrong if people do have a mental illness  and require therapeutic interventions for help? Are you so perfect that you feel the need to highlight their "failings" in your eyes?

The problem that you have is that you are so self indulgent that you believe the bullshit which you write. That is not a problem for the rest of us, but when questioned you become aggressive and insulting. Yes I do question you for I seek knowledge. Is there a problem with this?

I spend my days working with people with Disabilities and Mental Health issues, yet you, by your comments above choose to believe that they are lower than you and condemn them.

Personally, I would rather spend my days working with these people than an afternoon with you.

You BADecker, are not a very nice person and I hope you wake up and see the person you are before it is too late.

[BADecker]

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

And there you go again BADecker, choosing to belittle those of us who challenge you.

Tell me, what is wrong if people do have a mental illness  and require therapeutic interventions for help? Are you so perfect that you feel the need to highlight their "failings" in your eyes?

The problem that you have is that you are so self indulgent that you believe the bullshit which you write. That is not a problem for the rest of us, but when questioned you become aggressive and insulting. Yes I do question you for I seek knowledge. Is there a problem with this?

I spend my days working with people with Disabilities and Mental Health issues, yet you, by your comments above choose to believe that they are lower than you and condemn them.

Personally, I would rather spend my days working with these people than an afternoon with you.

You BADecker, are not a very nice person and I hope you wake up and see the person you are before it is too late.

What? Here you go again, belittling me when all I was doing was agreeing to what you express about yourself.

I don't have anything against you at all. But when are you going to wake up to the reality of the truth that God esixts?

[BADecker]

....
The point is, God wrote His own Book by causing the writers who actually penned it to write what they did.

The second point is, since God wants freedom for us, while at the same time He wants to remain in control, God actually causes the things that we think we freely do and write, to often happen according to our wishes... and without us even realizing that He is behind it all... until we examine the way things work, scientifically.

So HE decided to 'inspire' 40+ writers over the course of 2500 years!!!  Please, you do not really believe that!!!

Talk about lazy and unsure God.

The real reason this book was written was to provide some guidance on how to manage social interactions.

Around the time when the agricultural revolution started, first cities were formed as people did not have to wonder around for food.
Agricultural revolution allowed for the fast expansion of the population.  This created problems.

It is very easy to manage a group of 40-50 hunters & gatherers.  But it is nearly impossible to manage a group of 5000+ people.
So myths and 'God laws' had to be written down so that the ruling class could reference them and implement the laws by killing the violators.

This helped to reduce crime.  That is the real reason why this book was written, by people for other people.

First you express that God doesn't exist. Then you suggest that I don't really believe that He did something He did. Then you suggest that He is lazy and unsure when you know that He created the universe to operate by cause and effect, which is way beyond anything we can even imagine doing. Then you seem to suggest that He wasn't behind the writing of the Bible at all.

The thing that is amazing is that you, somebody who doesn't seem sure about the existence of God or not, haven't gone out and expressed your own personal volumes of knowledge about the workings of nature and everything else. I mean, a funny farm resident might do just that.

And you can see by the humble videos of Graham Hancock and others, that archaeology shows us that there really were no hunter gatherers thousands of years ago that were any different than ours today in various parts of the world. In addition, there were great technologies in the prehistory, just like there are today, as shown by these same videos. Consider Gobekli Tepe.

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Göbekli Tepe is from 10th millennium BCE, way outside 'your creation date' of circa 4000 BCE.

You were there back then? You know somebody who was there back then? When you look into the papers and books from many of the scientists who date things, they express that their dating is just a guestimation, and that they really don't know.

Graham Hancock is a writer.  So you like his novels; I'm not surprised.  Not sure what this has anything to do with reality.

The Graham Hancock videos show that standard archaeology is way off in their idea that ancient peoples were simple hunter gatherers. The standard hunter-gatherer stuff is made up, just to cover up the idea that people of prehistory were far greater than we think, and even than we ARE. It is also made up to downplay the knowledge that God exists.

You want to learn about human history, read:

https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Noah_Harari  is a historian, he specializes in world history.

There is enough accurate history in the Bible.

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The point is, God wrote His own Book by causing the writers who actually penned it to write what they did.

The second point is, since God wants freedom for us, while at the same time He wants to remain in control, God actually causes the things that we think we freely do and write, to often happen according to our wishes... and without us even realizing that He is behind it all... until we examine the way things work, scientifically.

So HE decided to 'inspire' 40+ writers over the course of 2500 years!!!  Please, you do not really believe that!!!

Talk about lazy and unsure God.

The real reason this book was written was to provide some guidance on how to manage social interactions.

Around the time when the agricultural revolution started, first cities were formed as people did not have to wonder around for food.
Agricultural revolution allowed for the fast expansion of the population.  This created problems.

It is very easy to manage a group of 40-50 hunters & gatherers.  But it is nearly impossible to manage a group of 5000+ people.
So myths and 'God laws' had to be written down so that the ruling class could reference them and implement the laws by killing the violators.

This helped to reduce crime.  That is the real reason why this book was written, by people for other people.

First you express that God doesn't exist. Then you suggest that I don't really believe that He did something He did. Then you suggest that He is lazy and unsure when you know that He created the universe to operate by cause and effect, which is way beyond anything we can even imagine doing. Then you seem to suggest that He wasn't behind the writing of the Bible at all.

The thing that is amazing is that you, somebody who doesn't seem sure about the existence of God or not, haven't gone out and expressed your own personal volumes of knowledge about the workings of nature and everything else. I mean, a funny farm resident might do just that.

And you can see by the humble videos of Graham Hancock and others, that archaeology shows us that there really were no hunter gatherers thousands of years ago that were any different than ours today in various parts of the world. In addition, there were great technologies in the prehistory, just like there are today, as shown by these same videos. Consider Gobekli Tepe.

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Göbekli Tepe is from 10th millennium BCE, way outside 'your creation date' of circa 4000 BCE.

You were there back then? You know somebody who was there back then? When you look into the papers and books from many of the scientists who date things, they express that their dating is just a guestimation, and that they really don't know.

Graham Hancock is a writer.  So you like his novels; I'm not surprised.  Not sure what this has anything to do with reality.

The Graham Hancock videos show that standard archaeology is way off in their idea that ancient peoples were simple hunter gatherers. The standard hunter-gatherer stuff is made up, just to cover up the idea that people of prehistory were far greater than we think, and even than we ARE. It is also made up to downplay the knowledge that God exists.

You want to learn about human history, read:

https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Noah_Harari  is a historian, he specializes in world history.

There is enough accurate history in the Bible.

There we go again.  You have just hanged yourself again.

Neuroscientists know where your God exist. 
Call any university that has a strong Neuroscience research program, they should be able to locate God in your brain without any problems.

Try to read from more than one book.

Perhaps when you get to the starting point, then you will be able to move ahead in your understanding. The starting point is recognizing that God exists, through the science proof, and through the fact of the existence of the universe.

Until then, you are always going to remain mixed up in your thinking.

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Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

And there you go again BADecker, choosing to belittle those of us who challenge you.

Tell me, what is wrong if people do have a mental illness  and require therapeutic interventions for help? Are you so perfect that you feel the need to highlight their "failings" in your eyes?

The problem that you have is that you are so self indulgent that you believe the bullshit which you write. That is not a problem for the rest of us, but when questioned you become aggressive and insulting. Yes I do question you for I seek knowledge. Is there a problem with this?

I spend my days working with people with Disabilities and Mental Health issues, yet you, by your comments above choose to believe that they are lower than you and condemn them.

Personally, I would rather spend my days working with these people than an afternoon with you.

You BADecker, are not a very nice person and I hope you wake up and see the person you are before it is too late.

What? Here you go again, belittling me when all I was doing was agreeing to what you express about yourself.

I don't have anything against you at all. But when are you going to wake up to the reality of the truth that God esixts?

But all I have done is agree with the way in which you represent yourself.

I have nothing against you, but you seem to have lots against those less fortunate, why?

When are you going to wake up to the reality that God doesn't exist?

[BADecker]

Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

And there you go again BADecker, choosing to belittle those of us who challenge you.

Tell me, what is wrong if people do have a mental illness  and require therapeutic interventions for help? Are you so perfect that you feel the need to highlight their "failings" in your eyes?

The problem that you have is that you are so self indulgent that you believe the bullshit which you write. That is not a problem for the rest of us, but when questioned you become aggressive and insulting. Yes I do question you for I seek knowledge. Is there a problem with this?

I spend my days working with people with Disabilities and Mental Health issues, yet you, by your comments above choose to believe that they are lower than you and condemn them.

Personally, I would rather spend my days working with these people than an afternoon with you.

You BADecker, are not a very nice person and I hope you wake up and see the person you are before it is too late.

What? Here you go again, belittling me when all I was doing was agreeing to what you express about yourself.

I don't have anything against you at all. But when are you going to wake up to the reality of the truth that God esixts?

But all I have done is agree with the way in which you represent yourself.

I have nothing against you, but you seem to have lots against those less fortunate, why?

When are you going to wake up to the reality that God doesn't exist?

The problem isn't the less fortunate. The problem is when the less fortunate like to stay in their less fortunate position.

At the judgment, if you haven't changed, God won't consider your less fortunate position, because you had the chance to calculate out the proof for His existence, but rather decided to remain intentionally ignorant:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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Perhaps you should let us know which funny farm you are at, just so we can drop by and say hi sometime.

And there you go again BADecker, choosing to belittle those of us who challenge you.

Tell me, what is wrong if people do have a mental illness  and require therapeutic interventions for help? Are you so perfect that you feel the need to highlight their "failings" in your eyes?

The problem that you have is that you are so self indulgent that you believe the bullshit which you write. That is not a problem for the rest of us, but when questioned you become aggressive and insulting. Yes I do question you for I seek knowledge. Is there a problem with this?

I spend my days working with people with Disabilities and Mental Health issues, yet you, by your comments above choose to believe that they are lower than you and condemn them.

Personally, I would rather spend my days working with these people than an afternoon with you.

You BADecker, are not a very nice person and I hope you wake up and see the person you are before it is too late.

What? Here you go again, belittling me when all I was doing was agreeing to what you express about yourself.

I don't have anything against you at all. But when are you going to wake up to the reality of the truth that God esixts?

But all I have done is agree with the way in which you represent yourself.

I have nothing against you, but you seem to have lots against those less fortunate, why?

When are you going to wake up to the reality that God doesn't exist?

The problem isn't the less fortunate. The problem is when the less fortunate like to stay in their less fortunate position.

At the judgment, if you haven't changed, God won't consider your less fortunate position, because you had the chance to calculate out the proof for His existence, but rather decided to remain intentionally ignorant:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

So someone born with an intellectual disability who doesn't know your god will suffer because your god let him be born with an intellectual disability. Hmmmm Strange God you got there.

And quoting yourself doesn't make you right, it makes you appear psychotic and delusional.