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November 05, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
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very cool

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November 05, 2016, 12:31:39 AM
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dividends, dividends, dividends
lol...i wounder how much icn these retards people asking the same thing every page have....

a real investor already know when they will start to pay dividends.
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November 05, 2016, 12:36:53 AM
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dividends, dividends, dividends
lol...i wounder how much icn these retards people asking the same thing every page have....

a real investor already know when they will start to pay dividends.

How it works?
And how much ICN to get a dividens?

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November 05, 2016, 12:38:55 AM
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dividends, dividends, dividends
lol...i wounder how much icn these retards people asking the same thing every page have....

a real investor already know when they will start to pay dividends.

How it works?
And how much ICN to get a dividens?
I think you need read whitepaper.

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November 05, 2016, 01:43:11 AM
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Yo guys and gals can I be smart and use ETC as gas? does it work since it's the original ETH?
We can't mine and can't stake ICN then why did we buy it? how can we earn any profit for the 3 month of holding the tokens?

Dividends start in 2017 if I'm not mistaken but what about this past month and 2 more ahead until we enter the year of 2017? just saying because the price is not like if we sell atm we could earn any profit or whatever.
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November 05, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
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dividends, dividends, dividends
lol...i wounder how much icn these retards people asking the same thing every page have....

a real investor already know when they will start to pay dividends.

How it works?
And how much ICN to get a dividens?

No more ICN tokens are being made after distribution. There are only 100m ICN in existence. That amount does NOT grow.

I believe Dividends is paid in Bitcoin or Ethereum. Most likely ETH.

Once first Dividends payments are made to ICN investors, ICN price will sky rocket !

Bring on the Dividend$$$$$$$$$$$$   Smiley

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November 05, 2016, 02:08:32 AM
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Why the funds are still in escrow wallets and not released? shouldn't the team receives them already and put them to work to invest on freaking startups or ICOs or things like that? it's not small amount dudes it's more than $10.5m bucks.
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Detailed ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) update

As described in our shorter update of 27 October 2016 triggered ICNX rebalancing, bitcoin has been showing a strong appreciation during the second half of October. Consequently its weight surpassed 20% of the total ICNX, which triggered an immediate index rebalancing.

With rebalancing we re-set the weights of included cryptoassets, but as per ICNX methodology we also changed ICNX composition. We have removed DigixDAO, Storjcoin X and Bitcrystals, as their daily average volumes for the last 30 days were below $50k. They can return to ICNX again, once their monthly volume rises above the minimum threshold and if ICONOMI still sees them viable in the long term. We would also like to briefly recap the underlying concept of the GameCredits (GAME), that was added to ICNX...

Read whole blogpost at: https://medium.com/iconominet/detailed-iconomi-cryptocurrencies-index-icnx-update-8ed2b0158665

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November 05, 2016, 02:16:48 AM
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Why the funds are still in escrow wallets and not released? shouldn't the team receives them already and put them to work to invest on freaking startups or ICOs or things like that? it's not small amount dudes it's more than $10.5m bucks.

Maybe they use investor funds other than cryptocurrency I mean investor funds from  dollar / euro
all funds are still insufficient for the project so do not require funds from crypto

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November 05, 2016, 03:03:18 AM
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Looks like we got some News Mr.president.


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Looks like we got some News Mr.president.


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Detailed ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) update
As described in our shorter update of 27 October 2016 triggered ICNX rebalancing, bitcoin has been showing a strong appreciation during the second half of October. Consequently its weight surpassed 20% of the total ICNX, which triggered an immediate index rebalancing on 27 October.
With rebalancing we re-set the weights of included cryptoassets, but as per ICNX methodology we also changed ICNX composition. We have removed DigixDAO, Storjcoin X and Bitcrystals, as their daily average volumes for the last 30 days were below $50k. They can return to ICNX again, once their monthly volume rises above the minimum threshold and if ICONOMI still sees them viable in the long term. We would also like to briefly recap the underlying concept of the GameCredits (GAME), that was added to ICNX. GameCredits is a multi-platform gaming currency derived from Bitcoin. It aims to replace existing in-game purchasing options and mechanisms. GameCredits API offers developers zero implementation costs and low fees when purchase volume increases, enabling them to focus on quality meta-game content and play-game mechanisms instead. A percentage of the profit will go to the foundation to be used for further development and, as they noted, facilitate investment. Turbocharged: Tokyo Grand Prix and Panda Commander are two games that already use GAME, with several more in the pipeline:Fragoria, Ring 13: The Curse of Nakamoto… GameCredit’s team is already cooperating with over 100 developers. There are over 2 billion gamers in the world, and GAME tries to offer them the best user experience through fast, easy and reliable transactions and a standalone wallet. There will be a total of 84 million GAME coins, which can easily be exchanged for fiat and other cryptocurrencies on exchanges like C-Cex, Bittrex and Poloniex.
This is the structure of ICNX as of 27 October 2016:

In the last month we have received several questions regarding ICNX, and would like to address them.

1 What do you have to say about the recent WIlly Woo blog on cryptocurrency index funds?
Although the study being carried out by the blog author is analytically well written, it misses one key point. The majority of the altcoins that were analysed do not meet ICONOMI eligibility criteria. Most of the top altcoins didn’t have and still don’t have specific underlying added value. We believe we are only at the beginning of the introduction of proper “app tokens” into the new economy.

2 What would stop people from just copying the moves the index makes instead of buying in?
Buying into the index fund will be much easier and faster than establishing the same portfolio on your own. Especially considering monthly rebalancing of portfolio, which is is time-consuming and not attractive to the everyday investor, but will happen automagically for index fund investors. Depending on your exchange fees it might even be cheaper (trading fees are shared across the fund). Buying into the fund will also resolve issues regarding managing and securely storing many included cryptocurrencies.
(edit by me)... that is EXCATLY what we want, lol. They buy in after we do, it raises the value of our portfolios!

3 Will you be sharing the index algorithm?
The broad methodology is shared on https://icnx.iconomi.net, however we will not publish detailed calculations of each component weight. Note that weightings are market cap based, with some proprietary logarithmic adjustments.

4 Do you plan to add new altcoins to your index?
Yes. All currencies that meet our inclusion criteria will be included in the ICNX. Expect many more ICNX constituents once the market becomes more established.

5 How will the process of adding new altcoins to index work/be realised?
At each rebalancing period the Investment Committee makes a decision regarding the introduction of new coins to the index, as well as the deletion of coins which are no longer considered appropriate or that do not meet other eligibility criteria. The Investment Committee votes on changes to structure.

6 Will the ICNX be traded on external exchanges like forex?
ICNX is just an index. Investment vehicles based on the index, such as our ICONOMI.INDEX fund, will be traded on major cryptocoin exchanges once they are listed.

7 Why is there a 15% max cap on any crypto?
Many traditional indexes (like S&P 500, Russell 2000, NASDAQ-100) limit a single instrument’s maximum weight to 10%. ICNX’s goal is a realistic representation of crypto markets while keeping risk as diversified as possible. Since bitcoin represents such a bit part of total crypto market capital, we decided to grant it a bigger weight — 15%. ICNX methodology and rules (see https://icnx.iconomi.net) state that each individual crypto is capped at a maximum of 15% of the whole ICNX structure. A 15% max cap allows for more influence but at the same time still prevents any single crypto from having an overwhelming influence on the index as a whole — proper diversification is therefore delivered. While this is true at the REBALANCING, it can move between monthly rebalancing. The weight of each crypto can grow as much as 20% of the total ICNX value, but not more, because we do not wish to have a dominating asset. ICONOMI’s goal is to have an index (later a fund) with a diversified risk. Currently, bitcoin’s price is rising, but the ICNX index is flat or going down slightly. Although, this seems inappropriate, fluctuations like this should level out over the longer term. While bitcoin is currently without any shadow of a doubt the number 1 crypto, we do not think this will be true in the mid/long term future. Rather than it being the only crypto, we see it as the most important value coin that will have the majority of trading volume, but that does not mean it will be the default choice for new businesses/business processes and next-gen technology developments.

8 Will you add Zcash to the ICONOMI index?
From what we have seen in the last day in terms of popularity, traded volume and market cap, Zcash will likely be included on ICNX. But not today, as per ICNX methodology token needs to be publicly traded for at least 2 months before it can be included.
We have already had some internal discussion on the topic of Zcash. Zcash will fit into the “Anonymity” category, where there is not yet a clear winner, so many tokens can share it (unlike the “Value” category“ where Bitcoin is a clear winner).

9 I miss (INSERT_COIN_NAME) in your ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index. Why haven’t you included it?
Most likely, the coin does not meet the requirements for inclusion, which are listed under the methodology of ICNX here https://icnx.iconomi.net. Most cryptos do not meet the average daily traded volume minimum of 50,000 USD or have market capitalisations below 1 million USD. Some of the coins that do meet those two requirements are, however, not included, as ICONOMI does not deem their concept viable for the long term.
As the index goes up, it becomes more attractive to investors. In order to buy it, investors sell their other holdings (coins). Since ICNX actually tracks these same coins, this might have a direct impact on the index itself. Is this something that can actually happen and act as sort of a mutual negative feedback (like a self-balancing)?
In between rebalancing periods, which occur each end of month, or more frequently (depending on the breaches of the limits imposed on the structure), the portfolio is balanced according to the price movements of the coins included in the index. The example you are describing is very realistic and this is why a fund is preferred in such cases, especially if you are not very aware of every potential move the market might make.


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November 05, 2016, 04:41:48 AM
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they definitely know what they are doing. brilliant news.!!! future looks bright,,, futures looks ICN
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November 05, 2016, 04:46:18 AM
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Looks like we got some News Mr.president.


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Detailed ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) update
As described in our shorter update of 27 October 2016 triggered ICNX rebalancing, bitcoin has been showing a strong appreciation during the second half of October. Consequently its weight surpassed 20% of the total ICNX, which triggered an immediate index rebalancing on 27 October.
With rebalancing we re-set the weights of included cryptoassets, but as per ICNX methodology we also changed ICNX composition. We have removed DigixDAO, Storjcoin X and Bitcrystals, as their daily average volumes for the last 30 days were below $50k. They can return to ICNX again, once their monthly volume rises above the minimum threshold and if ICONOMI still sees them viable in the long term. We would also like to briefly recap the underlying concept of the GameCredits (GAME), that was added to ICNX. GameCredits is a multi-platform gaming currency derived from Bitcoin. It aims to replace existing in-game purchasing options and mechanisms. GameCredits API offers developers zero implementation costs and low fees when purchase volume increases, enabling them to focus on quality meta-game content and play-game mechanisms instead. A percentage of the profit will go to the foundation to be used for further development and, as they noted, facilitate investment. Turbocharged: Tokyo Grand Prix and Panda Commander are two games that already use GAME, with several more in the pipeline:Fragoria, Ring 13: The Curse of Nakamoto… GameCredit’s team is already cooperating with over 100 developers. There are over 2 billion gamers in the world, and GAME tries to offer them the best user experience through fast, easy and reliable transactions and a standalone wallet. There will be a total of 84 million GAME coins, which can easily be exchanged for fiat and other cryptocurrencies on exchanges like C-Cex, Bittrex and Poloniex.
This is the structure of ICNX as of 27 October 2016:

In the last month we have received several questions regarding ICNX, and would like to address them.

1 What do you have to say about the recent WIlly Woo blog on cryptocurrency index funds?
Although the study being carried out by the blog author is analytically well written, it misses one key point. The majority of the altcoins that were analysed do not meet ICONOMI eligibility criteria. Most of the top altcoins didn’t have and still don’t have specific underlying added value. We believe we are only at the beginning of the introduction of proper “app tokens” into the new economy.

2 What would stop people from just copying the moves the index makes instead of buying in?
Buying into the index fund will be much easier and faster than establishing the same portfolio on your own. Especially considering monthly rebalancing of portfolio, which is is time-consuming and not attractive to the everyday investor, but will happen automagically for index fund investors. Depending on your exchange fees it might even be cheaper (trading fees are shared across the fund). Buying into the fund will also resolve issues regarding managing and securely storing many included cryptocurrencies.

3 Will you be sharing the index algorithm?
The broad methodology is shared on https://icnx.iconomi.net, however we will not publish detailed calculations of each component weight. Note that weightings are market cap based, with some proprietary logarithmic adjustments.

4 Do you plan to add new altcoins to your index?
Yes. All currencies that meet our inclusion criteria will be included in the ICNX. Expect many more ICNX constituents once the market becomes more established.

5 How will the process of adding new altcoins to index work/be realised?
At each rebalancing period the Investment Committee makes a decision regarding the introduction of new coins to the index, as well as the deletion of coins which are no longer considered appropriate or that do not meet other eligibility criteria. The Investment Committee votes on changes to structure.

6 Will the ICNX be traded on external exchanges like forex?
ICNX is just an index. Investment vehicles based on the index, such as our ICONOMI.INDEX fund, will be traded on major cryptocoin exchanges once they are listed.

7 Why is there a 15% max cap on any crypto?
Many traditional indexes (like S&P 500, Russell 2000, NASDAQ-100) limit a single instrument’s maximum weight to 10%. ICNX’s goal is a realistic representation of crypto markets while keeping risk as diversified as possible. Since bitcoin represents such a bit part of total crypto market capital, we decided to grant it a bigger weight — 15%. ICNX methodology and rules (see https://icnx.iconomi.net) state that each individual crypto is capped at a maximum of 15% of the whole ICNX structure. A 15% max cap allows for more influence but at the same time still prevents any single crypto from having an overwhelming influence on the index as a whole — proper diversification is therefore delivered. While this is true at the REBALANCING, it can move between monthly rebalancing. The weight of each crypto can grow as much as 20% of the total ICNX value, but not more, because we do not wish to have a dominating asset. ICONOMI’s goal is to have an index (later a fund) with a diversified risk. Currently, bitcoin’s price is rising, but the ICNX index is flat or going down slightly. Although, this seems inappropriate, fluctuations like this should level out over the longer term. While bitcoin is currently without any shadow of a doubt the number 1 crypto, we do not think this will be true in the mid/long term future. Rather than it being the only crypto, we see it as the most important value coin that will have the majority of trading volume, but that does not mean it will be the default choice for new businesses/business processes and next-gen technology developments.

8 Will you add Zcash to the ICONOMI index?
From what we have seen in the last day in terms of popularity, traded volume and market cap, Zcash will likely be included on ICNX. But not today, as per ICNX methodology token needs to be publicly traded for at least 2 months before it can be included.
We have already had some internal discussion on the topic of Zcash. Zcash will fit into the “Anonymity” category, where there is not yet a clear winner, so many tokens can share it (unlike the “Value” category“ where Bitcoin is a clear winner).

9 I miss (INSERT_COIN_NAME) in your ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index. Why haven’t you included it?
Most likely, the coin does not meet the requirements for inclusion, which are listed under the methodology of ICNX here https://icnx.iconomi.net. Most cryptos do not meet the average daily traded volume minimum of 50,000 USD or have market capitalisations below 1 million USD. Some of the coins that do meet those two requirements are, however, not included, as ICONOMI does not deem their concept viable for the long term.
As the index goes up, it becomes more attractive to investors. In order to buy it, investors sell their other holdings (coins). Since ICNX actually tracks these same coins, this might have a direct impact on the index itself. Is this something that can actually happen and act as sort of a mutual negative feedback (like a self-balancing)?
In between rebalancing periods, which occur each end of month, or more frequently (depending on the breaches of the limits imposed on the structure), the portfolio is balanced according to the price movements of the coins included in the index. The example you are describing is very realistic and this is why a fund is preferred in such cases, especially if you are not very aware of every potential move the market might make.


Reguarding Q#2... I hope they DO buy in after the index does... That's a plus for our portfolios. Wink

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Last edit: November 05, 2016, 05:59:53 AM by MrPresident
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Why waves is media? It should be a platform.
http://coremedia.info/index.php/blockchain-news/item/230-waves-ultimate-crypto-tokens-blockchain-platform/230-waves-ultimate-crypto-tokens-blockchain-platform

this maybe? not sure
Dunno what value they see in a crowdfunding platform except for the ico software
seems to me erc-20 works fine
And I fail to see how a reputation system will work from scratch... like AUGR REP tokens? Buy a reputation? lol.
It all seems like a fantastic money grab



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November 05, 2016, 05:20:26 AM
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Do I need to verify my identity in order to trade in kraken?
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Do I need to verify my identity in order to trade in kraken?
Dunno, did you murder someone or wanted by the FBI?  Shocked

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November 05, 2016, 05:23:33 AM
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Do I need to verify my identity in order to trade in kraken?

Not really. depend to which tier. tier 1 would be better for it only need email verification.
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Do I need to verify my identity in order to trade in kraken?

Not really. depend to which tier. tier 1 would be better for it only need email verification.

tier 1 verify mobile number . you can deposite and withdraw
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November 05, 2016, 06:18:25 AM
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Is it just email or email plus telephone number?
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