Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[gembitz]

I am happy with a few orders filling in a day, and I am thinking that in the future, I would likely be happy with a few orders filling per week.

I also don't play around with margin trading because it seems too risky, just on the face of it seems like a kind of gambling to me, unless there are ways to just employ it as a hedge... but seems too complicated for the most part.  

Largely, I am happy with just preserving the status quo of my BTC holdings (which I guess is mostly just an attempt at preservation of principle) and counting on long term BTC price appreciation for accumulation of wealth, rather than practices that feel like gambling (and certainly any kind of margin trading would feel like gambling to me).  

I'm employing a market making strategy to earn BTC from fluctuations in altcoins - which works well when markets are volatile - for it to work well you need to have pretty deep reserves in order to ride the deep fluctuations and keep in the market. My order sizes are not so high to reduce the risk - so I need a lot of orders to be filled to make a good profit

EDIT: I always seem to lose when I try this strategy in USD/BTC, so keep to altcoins

$ETC shooting straight up to pluto ~ the forkening season is upon us!!    weeee

^ethereum is satoshis vision! :-D ETC ETC ETC hhehemuuhahaaa a a aaa

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

You pesky kids though. It is all very well being 'enthusiastic' and talking of 'whole cryptocurrency' as if that were a thing. If you could just stop all your meddling and blathering on until you are actually 50, you would be doing bitcoin a great service. There are many more pressing concerns than you seem to be aware of.

Or they could also, I dunno, do some actual fkn research instead of blindly throwing money at every crypto just because it exists, or has "coin", "currency", "cash" in the name, or because it is a "token" that "ICO'ed", or because it will supposedly solve some future problem that doesn't exist and never will.

As if the whole crypto space is a thing and is worthy of investment across the board. That's like saying every stock in the whole stock market (penny shit stocks and all) is worthy of investment "because equity space".

Remember the "dot com space"? Yeah we saw how that turned out.

The same way the crypto space will turn out. A few rich, very few very rich people and a lot of people burning themselves by throwing money around like dirty socks.

[Nosk]

Update of this post :

The price didn't bounced off the 7k€ resistance.
I took the period of high volume, determined the min and max moving average of the price, and it highlights some resistance we can find.
Taking that into account, it makes me more bullish for what will come next.
(following chart is still in €)

It seems hard to follow the initial uptrend.
No reason to be bearish yet though. As shown on the following figure, the moving average trend is still going up and we just broke the value trend by a tiny bit.



If I zoom to a very close range, we can see that we tend to go back in the initial value based trend, no bounce on the bedrock needed.

[Biodom]

It seems the "old ones" doesn't understand what bitcoin is or the whole cryptocurrency. The so called experts are also old and calling all fud against bitcoin. Yet almost all crypto enthusiasts are the younger generation, mid 30's and below. There is the barrier. The technological gap between old and young. Give it a few years when we "young" are the old, then we'll see it flourish.

Early 30's here.  

It's not how long you were around, but rather if you have a curious mind.
I have seen 60-70 year old professors to be faster on the uptake of the new technology than a 25 year old.
I agree that it is, perhaps, less common.

[FartBuddy]

It seems the "old ones" doesn't understand what bitcoin is or the whole cryptocurrency. The so called experts are also old and calling all fud against bitcoin. Yet almost all crypto enthusiasts are the younger generation, mid 30's and below. There is the barrier. The technological gap between old and young. Give it a few years when we "young" are the old, then we'll see it flourish.

Early 30's here.  

What young means depends on your perspective. Someone in his early twenties would consider someone in his early thirties an old fart.

[d_eddie]

In my experience. twentysomethings are still too distracted to be seriously into crypto. Moreover, they seldom have the financial resources to build any position. The most part of the not so many crypto-aware people I know are thirtysomethings and a couple folks in their forties. All males, over half of them techno-savvy.

[Nosk]

In my experience. twentysomethings are still too distracted to be seriously into crypto.

  Offense taken.

I myself introduced a few of my twentysomething friends to crypto. As you said, they didn't put a lot of money into it, but it's something

[d_eddie]

In my experience. twentysomethings are still too distracted to be seriously into crypto.

  Offense taken.

I myself introduced a few of my twentysomething friends to crypto. As you said, they didn't put a lot of money into it, but it's something

Just my experience, man - don't take it personally.
It's probably just that I know the wrong twentysomethings. 

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

In my experience. twentysomethings are still too distracted to be seriously into crypto. Moreover, they seldom have the financial resources to build any position. The most part of the not so many crypto-aware people I know are thirtysomethings and a couple folks in their forties. All males, over half of them techno-savvy.

I'm a twenty-something, but I knew before I left school that I wouldn't want to slave away in a dayjob and have hence been researching stocks and other means of building wealth for around a decade now as a result. Of the people around my age hardly anybody seems to care though, I only know of two other people who are into crypto and one of them has been into stocks for a while now too. The other one is just gambling with his dad's money.

[jojo69]

That's why you have a gap between your top buy and your bottom sell that is 2x your base interval. The gap is where the profit is made.

Admittedly, in my most comprehensive explanation, I explicitly left the reason for such 'as an exercise for the reader'. Perhaps I should have stated it.

lol yeah, I think I skimmed over that part...I get it now

strategy implemented on both the BTC:ETH and BTC:LTC pairs here and working reliably...albeit rather boringly

low risk, low reward, but I am a terrible swing trader so....

[infofront]

Bitcoin grew out of the cypherpunk movement, which started in the 70s-80s. A lot of pioneers of bitcoin came from that movement: Adam Back, Hal Finney, Nick Szabo, probably Satoshi Nakamoto, etc. So, Bitcoin was birthed by a bunch of old guys.

I'll also take the opportunity to rant a bit. Out of those four I mentioned, one is AWOL, one is dead, and the other two are fervent supporters of Bitcoin over BCash. Bitcoin is much more closely aligned with the original cypherpunk principles that elevate privacy and decentralization.

[jojo69]

Same here and jumped in 2013 building a gpu miner with borrowed money. In the young uns defence though, when i was 30, i thought 50+ was a lifetime away and technology to that age group was beyond comprehension.
Of course i was wrong, as they are now

[Nosk]

In my experience. twentysomethings are still too distracted to be seriously into crypto.

  Offense taken.

I myself introduced a few of my twentysomething friends to crypto. As you said, they didn't put a lot of money into it, but it's something

Just my experience, man - don't take it personally.
It's probably just that I know the wrong twentysomethings. 

I don't I'm just bugging you
I have seen a research highligthing that young adults give much more interest to crypto than traditional stocks so yes you probably don't know the right twentysomething
Sounds bullish for the future though.

[Starving_Marvin]

Just another day, just another payday

[d_eddie]

Bitcoin grew out of the cypherpunk movement, which started in the 70s-80s. A lot of pioneers of bitcoin came from that movement: Adam Back, Hal Finney, Nick Szabo, probably Satoshi Nakamoto, etc. So, Bitcoin was birthed by a bunch of old guys.

Guys who'd been around long enough to not only figure out how elliptic curve cryptography works, but also to draw the necessary lines from/to economy, game theory and all that. Younger people can pull off great discoveries in specific fields - indeed, it's usually younger folks who do that - but large interdisciplinary endeavors are more suited to mature people IMO.

I'll also take the opportunity to rant a bit. Out of those four I mentioned, one is AWOL, one is dead, and the other two are fervent supporters of Bitcoin over BCash. Bitcoin is much more closely aligned with the original cypherpunk principles that elevate privacy and decentralization.

It's not even worth discussing. A forkcoin more or less signed into existence by an agreement of a few commercial enterprises and kept alive by a single conglomerate through the use of dubious tactics...

[STT]

Longer term trend with weekly bars shows pullback to a more sedate pace that matches the last year.  I drew this a while ago, upper boundary is about 9700.   Probably a more realistic guide then the shorter term speculation, lower markers are about 5000 for fib levels but our recent low matches November action best I think


https://i.imgur.com/6Y2EXPig.png

[d_eddie]

(quotes edited for relevance)

It's probably just that I know the wrong twentysomethings. 

I have seen a research highligthing that young adults give much more interest to crypto than traditional stocks so yes you probably don't know the right twentysomething
Sounds bullish for the future though.

The young'uns I know don't know anything about the stock market, either. I could say that in my personal, small sample of twentysomethings, there's about 2-3 times as much interest for crypto as for traditional stocks. Or 10 times, even.  

[Biodom]

My first attempt of using trading view (don't have an account yet and tried for just 5 min).
Just a rough sketch of btc doing something similar to an 'AMZN' chart of the early internet era.
Mind that from 2001 lows AMZN is up about 300X, so my prediction is not bearish at all going forward with 350K-750K projected in the future IF it matches AMZN tit-for-tat. However, I expect bewildering lows beforehand, although not soon.

[infofront]

Bitcoin grew out of the cypherpunk movement, which started in the 70s-80s. A lot of pioneers of bitcoin came from that movement: Adam Back, Hal Finney, Nick Szabo, probably Satoshi Nakamoto, etc. So, Bitcoin was birthed by a bunch of old guys.

Guys who'd been around long enough to not only figure out how elliptic curve cryptography works, but also to draw the necessary lines from/to economy, game theory and all that. Younger people can pull off great discoveries in specific fields - indeed, it's usually younger folks who do that - but large interdisciplinary endeavors are more suited to mature people IMO.

That's a good point.

I'll also take the opportunity to rant a bit. Out of those four I mentioned, one is AWOL, one is dead, and the other two are fervent supporters of Bitcoin over BCash. Bitcoin is much more closely aligned with the original cypherpunk principles that elevate privacy and decentralization.

It's not even worth discussing. A forkcoin more or less signed into existence by an agreement of a few commercial enterprises and kept alive by a single conglomerate through the use of dubious tactics...

That was aimed at the handful of bcash supporters/sympathizers here. Are you reading all this jbreher? 

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Same old, same old. Bouncing along sideways in $8k-$9k range... currently $8580USD/$10810CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Waiting for the spring breakout. Ho hum.

late 50's here. and when i heard of btc in 2011 i took to the concept like a dog to a bone.

dont forget us old farts have seen how the government and banks play with money "for our own good" for a long time and many of us trust the government/banks even less than the younger generation.

but maybe im an exception. lot of my friends around my age just dont get btc and wont get into it. but that may be because they generally arent a technology freak like i am. 

Same here and jumped in 2013 building a gpu miner with borrowed money. In the young uns defence though, when i was 30, i thought 50+ was a lifetime away and technology to that age group was beyond comprehension.
Of course i was wrong, as they are now

Almost 70 here and definitely not a tech luddite.

I used to think anyone over 40 was old. Now I think anyone under 40 is a clueless kid.

No, not all kids are clueless about life just as not all seniors are clueless about technology.

One of my older friends (pushing 80) was buying bitcoins at less than $200 and still buys the dips. Needless to say he's done quite well.

Meanwhile one of my younger friends in his 20s can't seem to understand Bitcoin. He thinks it's some kind of pyramid/Ponzi scam and that "the government" will "shut it down". Meanwhile he alternates between Mom's couch in Toronto and Dad's winter place in Thailand trying to get rich playing online poker. All this for a kid with a tested IQ over 180. Go figure.

Age has nothing to do with it. Mental flexibility counts a lot more.