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It will probably be pretty basic, but might help some people.

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February 13, 2018, 06:05:33 PM

My first attempt of using trading view...

The problem I have with these projected ‘bewildering lows’ is that they are planted just around the halvening. I just do not see this happening in 2020. If it happens, it happens in 2018 or 2019. But somehow, a full blown crypto winter seems far away. So that leaves 2018 as the most probable candidate, should a $2,000 scenario materialise.

Actually, I put in lows in late 2019 to be fair, then almost a flat with an upward bias until or close to halvening, then a takeoff.
But this is just a sketch with lines that could be drawn differently.
I guess my main point is a zigzag in 2018, hard down in 2019, recovery in 2020, then off to the races (higher).
I would like to see your projection, though.
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Almost 70 here and definitely not a tech luddite.

Then you would be wrong.  Everyone is an Amish or luddite to some extent unless you want to chop your own head off and replace it with a T-800 terminator skull.  Anyone familiar with the Kaczynski rule knows bitcoin is nothing but a garbage slavery system.  Combine that with the Joseph Tainter rule of diminishing returns of complex systems, and in order to keep any type of technologically progressing civilization afloat, it requires converting the entire thing into a vertically integrated ant slave colony where you're just a worker drone with increasingly worthless value to the system as a whole.

There's a reason Star Trek is portrayed as a military dictatorship.  Instead of one scientist being able to solve something like Tesla, it's no longer possible and you need a team of 500 scientists all centrally managed to do anything. Technology is inherently anti-freedom and pro-vertical integration of the whole into an ant colony.  In order words, just about everything Kaczynski said is right, and there is no purpose at all in taking civilization past a certain point in technology because everyone would just be a dehumanized worker drone.  Due to overspecialization, said system would also easily collapse and send you back to the stone age anyway.
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February 13, 2018, 06:24:56 PM

http://Salon.com  can mine monero on your computer if you have an ad blocker https://www.salon.com/about/faq-what-happens-when-i-choose-to-suppress-ads-on-salon/
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February 13, 2018, 06:27:25 PM


How about just block the fuck out of all ads to collapse the Jew media system as fast as possible?  Oh yea, pirate anything that moves too.
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Meanwhile one of my younger friends in his 20s can't seem to understand Bitcoin. He thinks it's some kind of pyramid/Ponzi scam and that "the government" will "shut it down". Meanwhile he alternates between Mom's couch in Toronto and Dad's winter place in Thailand trying to get rich playing online poker. All this for a kid with a tested IQ over 180. Go figure.

Age has nothing to do with it. Mental flexibility counts a lot more.

Wow.  A poker player with an IQ over 180?   Very surprising he does not "get" bitcoin.  The game theory beauty of Bitcoin alone should captivate the thinking poker player.

In fact many of us here came in through that door.  My mining rig was the Seals with Clubs client. Wink

Also...  I am not among the young here.
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I don't see a problem if they are up front about it.

I would MUCH rather provide a content provider with some set quantity of hashing than deal with ads.
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Meanwhile one of my younger friends in his 20s can't seem to understand Bitcoin. He thinks it's some kind of pyramid/Ponzi scam and that "the government" will "shut it down". Meanwhile he alternates between Mom's couch in Toronto and Dad's winter place in Thailand trying to get rich playing online poker. All this for a kid with a tested IQ over 180. Go figure.

Wow.  A poker player with an IQ over 180?   Very surprising he does not "get" bitcoin.

You are the one that does not "get" bitcoin.  Even if you ignore the fact that it's designed to completely centralize, bitcoin is 100% guaranteed to die the closer the block reward gets to zero.  Why?  Because a static block reward subsidizes all transactions just like a govt subsidy.  The second it's gone, people will just move to a different chain that still has a block reward subsidizing it, or to some other system that doesn't have the overhead of PoW since they're all designed to centralize anyway.  So yes, bitcoin actually is a Ponzi because PoW is not sustainable since you CANNOT prevent competitor chains from taking it's market once subsidy is gone.
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February 13, 2018, 06:39:41 PM

re age and bitcoin, it could be down to a few numbers:
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americans 62 and above have $209K in wealth on average
americans less than 40 have just $14K in wealth.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/files/pdfs/hfs/essays/hfs-essay-3-2015-age-birth-year-wealth.pdf

however, you may also notice that 30-40 year olds have 30-50% more income than 62 and above.
I conclude that oldies have money, but don't have much cash flow-a perfect situation for them to do both things: buy btc (since they have more cash), and also mine it (since they have poor cash flow).
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February 13, 2018, 06:40:24 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Same old, same old. Bouncing along sideways in $8k-$9k range... currently $8580USD/$10810CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Waiting for the spring breakout. Ho hum.

late 50's here. and when i heard of btc in 2011 i took to the concept like a dog to a bone.

dont forget us old farts have seen how the government and banks play with money "for our own good" for a long time and many of us trust the government/banks even less than the younger generation.

but maybe im an exception. lot of my friends around my age just dont get btc and wont get into it. but that may be because they generally arent a technology freak like i am. 

Same here and jumped in 2013 building a gpu miner with borrowed money. In the young uns defence though, when i was 30, i thought 50+ was a lifetime away and technology to that age group was beyond comprehension.
Of course i was wrong, as they are now

Almost 70 here and definitely not a tech luddite.

I used to think anyone over 40 was old. Now I think anyone under 40 is a clueless kid.

No, not all kids are clueless about life just as not all seniors are clueless about technology.

One of my older friends (pushing 80) was buying bitcoins at less than $200 and still buys the dips. Needless to say he's done quite well.

Meanwhile one of my younger friends in his 20s can't seem to understand Bitcoin. He thinks it's some kind of pyramid/Ponzi scam and that "the government" will "shut it down". Meanwhile he alternates between Mom's couch in Toronto and Dad's winter place in Thailand trying to get rich playing online poker. All this for a kid with a tested IQ over 180. Go figure.

Age has nothing to do with it. Mental flexibility counts a lot more.
We talk about statistics or anecdotes. One of these do not represent the average.
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Can anyone turn the volume back on?
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February 13, 2018, 07:15:17 PM

Can anyone turn the volume back on?

It seems like the cryptosphere is holding its breath until Chinese New Year (Feb 16) is over. I suspect the second half of Feb into March we'll see a thaw. Esp as Korean exchanges and account holders fall into regulatory order.
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The capitulation has already happened at $5800, therefore the business of being a bear is not booming anymore. The Lightning Network is growing exponentially, and it will hype Bitcoin to high heaven throughout 2018 and 2019. Late 2019 people will start buying in anticipation of the 2020 summer halving. Any attempts at crashing the market will be met with violent phases of wealth transfer.



Bitcoin is somewhere at the bottom in the second chart. You lost
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February 13, 2018, 07:25:17 PM

Dark Web Goliaths Are Turning Litecoin into the Next Bitcoin
https://wccftech.com/dark-web-litecoin-next-bitcoin/

Also mainstream MSM  spredaing  jeeeez ..  but there is piece of true

BUT there is true : future mega computing power  can broke all cryptos..all paswords, replace nad crack  your personal Bio paswords-based on dna,or other body parts ..  what will in coming in future...
And all this will create "Great" chaos.. now we see just start  voilatile up down crypto price.. or fall in wall street last months..but it is just begining in world of "no trust"
And all this things need precious metalls to create... and gold or other metalls witch CAN NOT by "copy-paste" with some quantum computers in mega clusters.. becouse plebs need some to trust.. and its not crypto  Smiley  real power can crack all datacenters and computers
People here with crypto fever is like on drugs..dont see nothing in context ..in compare to last centuries ... crying on to not be rich fast.. or hold ..
That future-chaos from all was predicted.. and thats why some countries hoarding gold.. to have some real thing to trust in heavy times witch will comming from west..debt based world.. just look to hopeloss canadians.. they will allow soon all drugs, pervs,spy world with VPNs to steal ideas direct from people.. anti family laws ..


Before people work  make real things.. now they are in gym few hours day..(many of them unemploys) and after when they come from gym and "sterilisedbucks cafee" they want some "technology" witch make them "easy money" "and faaaast !!".... riiich they scream if crypto prices fall Cheesy

we cantry make completely separate two worlds - where will crypto utopia  and fiat utopia .. not possible transfer/echange betwen or people from boot sides ..))
there was in history few experiments with utopia nation .. fall. as always.. but printing war-petrodollar will also destroy "fiat" world  .. traditional family based world ,as is in asia and east asia winning now and will in future..  (no japan,they are destroyed)  west fake all "succes" with debt and printing ..


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Meanwhile one of my younger friends in his 20s can't seem to understand Bitcoin. He thinks it's some kind of pyramid/Ponzi scam and that "the government" will "shut it down". Meanwhile he alternates between Mom's couch in Toronto and Dad's winter place in Thailand trying to get rich playing online poker. All this for a kid with a tested IQ over 180. Go figure.

Wow.  A poker player with an IQ over 180?   Very surprising he does not "get" bitcoin.

You are the one that does not "get" bitcoin.  Even if you ignore the fact that it's designed to completely centralize, bitcoin is 100% guaranteed to die the closer the block reward gets to zero.  Why?  Because a static block reward subsidizes all transactions just like a govt subsidy.  The second it's gone, people will just move to a different chain that still has a block reward subsidizing it, or to some other system that doesn't have the overhead of PoW since they're all designed to centralize anyway.  So yes, bitcoin actually is a Ponzi because PoW is not sustainable since you CANNOT prevent competitor chains from taking it's market once subsidy is gone.

Subsidizing miners with block rewards only makes it more difficult to perform a doublespend or a denial of service attack by producing empty blocks. It doesn't really motivate people to use the chain. Normal users are ignorant of how bitcoin works under the hood. They don't care about this stuff. They would only care if someone did successfully doublespend or DOS the block chain. So as long as transaction fees are sufficient to incentivize miners to collectively produce enough hashing power to prevent this than there is no reason to expect the drop off in block rewards to negatively effect bitcoin in any way.

I think it is you who does not understand how bitcoin works.
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February 13, 2018, 07:30:44 PM

Can anyone turn the volume back on?

It seems like the cryptosphere is holding its breath until Chinese New Year (Feb 16) is over. I suspect the second half of Feb into March we'll see a thaw. Esp as Korean exchanges and account holders fall into regulatory order.


I forgot all about Chinese New Year. The price was languishing below $1000 before last Chinese New Year, then broke above it afterwards. If the pattern repeats this year it might break above $9000 or $10000 in the New Year.
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 Hard to fool people if you're using silver.  It has merely half the density of gold so it would be much better to use tungsten which has  a similar density to gold at a much lower price than silver to maximize the profit on the scam.
  
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