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February 14, 2018, 05:43:29 PM

Goodmorning everyone. All those crushed bull souls are looking much better today
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February 14, 2018, 05:48:42 PM

Good thing anonymous blockchains will keep developing alongside.

There are only two viable outcomes:

1)  Either a non-fungible currency (like bitcoin) survives and since it's impossible to create a decentralized digital currency where transaction validators don't centralize through compound interest, economy of scale, or other means, the state then co-opts it and turns it into their desired cashless society slave system.

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2)  An anonymous, fungible cryptocurrency like Monero wins and causes the state to collapse because they are unable to extract and seize enough funds to keep their police state running.

However, Monero would centralize just like bitcoin and doesn't scale to defeat the state anyway (neither does bitcoin or LN), so all this crap is going to be in the end is a giant bait and switch where the govt uses this garbage to lure you in then mandates you use their federated chain instead.  They will probably just pass laws labeling all lightning nodes as money transmitters and make the costs and regulations so onerous nobody can do so except people like Goldman Sachs, then they've transported you right back into the same master/slave system as before and can also de-link from bitcoin if they want.

As for Lightning Network, it is completely useless to make bitcoin mainstream for everyday transactions without turning it into a replica of the current banking system (hub and spoke model) where you have several large nodes with thousands of slaves (you) connected to them and you're required to go through them for all transactions.  All roads in cryptocurrency lead to slavery.  There is no reason to support ANY of this garbage over physical silver as money.

You are all just fucking idiots trying to sell out humanity to make a few dollars off a pump and dump just like Judas.  The sad part is you can make as much or more money by supporting physical silver instead.  You're just allowing the bankers to bait you into supporting this scam because they've temporarily made it seem more enticing.
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February 14, 2018, 05:56:11 PM

1)  Neither Jbreher nor I were referring to chained orders because we manually set our orders after they fill.  We were talking more about incremental order setting or step setting.

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Yes. Buy low, sell high. At all times. Incrementally.

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3) The whole system is not a wash because you are able to either buy more BTC with the same amount of money or accumulate more money by the size of your orders.  If you keep the exact BTC amounts, then you accumulate dollars; if you keep the same dollar amounts then you accumulate BTC (or you can do some combination of the two).

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4)  The larger your amounts that you are trading, the more that you can notice that you are making money, [see 4b below].  Of course, there is no free lunch because there is risk on both ends.  The larger your amounts that you are trading the more likely you could end up running out of money or btc when the price over shoots

Yeppers.

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4b)  and the larger your increments, the more that you make money too.  

No. In general, cutting your interval in half (with a corresponding BTC per interval cut in half) will result in better performance. This is because the volatility will result in additional trades that swing the smaller interval, but don't reach the larger interval. At the limit where volatility is small enough to result in zero additional trades for the smaller interval, the smaller and the larger interval will perform identically. The tradeoff for the smaller interval size is trade fees (none for maker on GDAX), and the amount of time required to manage the system.

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5) I tend to recommend to folks to begin by setting your price increments really tight

Or really loose so you don't succumb to panic in the face of the occasional bout of ludicrous volatility. And there will be occasional panic when your are getting accustomed to the system. Your choice.

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7) Even Jbreher and i have had little skirmishes about the "right" practice

Meh. From what I can gather, we are using systems that are essentially identical, though we have chosen different values for the parameters. (Incidentally, 'skirmishes'? Far be it from me to tell you how to run your biz.)

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You remove the "other side" order at the point you just filled, otherwise they will cancel out for sure.

I don't think that "remove" is the correct word choice.  I find that when I am playing this whole system and it is going smoothly, then I am never really removing anything, but I am just adding.  Once a buy order executes, then I add a sell order at a higher USD price, and once a sell order executes, then I add a buy order at a lower USD price.

Yes. With the underlined amplification above. Indeed, this is the reason for the aforementioned two-price-interval gap between your standing buys and your standing sells.

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On that same point, I tend to let the price come to me,

Yes. Note that on GDAX, trades are free to the maker.

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You really win on each one,

You win on each buy&sell pair (or sell&buy pair - however you want to think about it)

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and the bigger your amounts the bigger your wins.  

Well, the larger each win. But you'll have less wins than if you are using a smaller increment. Indeed, the larger increment can do no better in any case than the smaller interval. See 4b above.

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However, I frequently describe this whole process as stacking and a kind of insurance that really takes a lot of stress out of downside volatility ...
it does not do service to the whole system if you increase the amounts too much in the beginning and you end up running out of money because you over did the situation

Yes and yes.
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February 14, 2018, 05:59:43 PM

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February 14, 2018, 06:10:12 PM

After BTC dumped so hard, it was just a matter oft time until BCH started trying to overtake again. It is rather probable that this pump is just starting and could geht BCH close to 1:1 for BTC with current weakness and high amount oft free capital!
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February 14, 2018, 06:15:55 PM

After BTC dumped so hard, it was just a matter oft time until BCH started trying to overtake again. It is rather probable that this pump is just starting and could geht BCH close to 1:1 for BTC with current weakness and high amount oft free capital!
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If you see jbreher on the train he or she is not invited . die bch die

Aww... there is always room for picanic bears...  no reason to hate...

But yeah.  DIE BCASH DIE.
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February 14, 2018, 06:16:39 PM

If you see jbreher on the train he or she is not invited . die bch die

Jbreher is obviously not stupid enough to think BCH is capable of facilitating everyday commerce since even LN is not capable of doing so without turning into an exact replica of the existing banking system as described below, so he is obviously here solely to scam people of money like all the other pump and dumpers (i.e. 99.9% of you):

As for Lightning Network, it is completely useless to make bitcoin mainstream for everyday transactions without turning it into a replica of the current banking system (hub and spoke model) where you have several large nodes with thousands of slaves (you) connected to them and you're required to go through them for all transactions.  All roads in cryptocurrency lead to slavery.  There is no reason to support ANY of this garbage over physical silver as money.
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February 14, 2018, 06:17:14 PM

After BTC dumped so hard, it was just a matter oft time until BCH started trying to overtake again. It is rather probable that this pump is just starting and could geht BCH close to 1:1 for BTC with current weakness and high amount oft free capital!
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Aww... there is always room for picanic bears...  no reason to hate...

But yeah.  DIE BCASH DIE.
I'm really curious to see how BTrash plays out now that even Microsoft denounced it.
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February 14, 2018, 06:17:22 PM

Oh, and according to Ver, Blockstream is run by the leader of the Bilderberg Group, which is actively preventing Bitcoin being used as money.

Stale, but plausible. Perhaps when wearing a tiny scrap of foil upon your head.

Henri de Castries. Look it up.
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February 14, 2018, 06:24:26 PM

bcash r shills for blockstream and segwit

IMF bringing ACChain the crypto for the BIS Standard drawing rgihts

It has been a literal war on bitcoin last 6months (Obvious)

There is no hiding anymore

we see who and what they are and what they doin.  all secrets are online


expecting any false flags


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February 14, 2018, 06:32:24 PM

bcash r shills for blockstream and segwit

IMF bringing ACChain the crypto for the BIS Standard drawing rgihts

It has been a literal war on bitcoin last 6months (Obvious)

There is no hiding anymore

we see who and what they are and what they doin.  all secrets are online


expecting any false flags



I think I get your point.
All this as always been a fight between us and them. The ones who thrive for freedom and independence and the ones who will never ever even think about the fact that they have a choice!

Am I ruining the party? We're over $9000, but that's old news.
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February 14, 2018, 06:39:51 PM

bcash r shills for blockstream and segwit

What are you even talking about?  The real red flag is that both Bitfinex and AXA are invested in Blockstream.  If Blockstream is taking money from both the Bilderberg group and Bitfinex, the most fraudulent scam exchange to ever exist (and also the people who created the Tether scam), then everything about bitcoin is one giant clownshow of scams.
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Remember

Treat everything as a scam

Find out how the scam works then play it.


e.g.

Targeted pain relief for your period pain (you know this is gonna be a winner - play on fear)

The tablet does not know where in the body to target it just gets absorbed into the whole body

Scam exposed, sheeple receive media

Buy stock when new brand advertised, sell at high


Easy



Another one

Banks - overthrow monarchy with mercenaries or citizen uprisings

Install government with big business (your debt clients)

create law that your bank creates the monetary system, the money and adjust for ups and downs to profit more

oohh ohh then once you have corrupted government enough, use said government to overthrow countries that do not agree with your momentary system and big business hegemony


scam exposed
buy all stock in big business going into overthrown countries and with government contracts



why did all the monarchies disappear?





on a rant now, just cause this one shits me - not a scam actual economic report

Productivity report to government states economy going backwards, citizens not reproducing enough - aging, wages reducing and will continue

Increase economy through lax foreign investment laws and migration, increase immigration, provide welfare, provide cheap easy credit

but the immigrants are not coming here, OK BOMB THEM.

yeah its working refugees and immigrants who want to leave their country

buy real estate sell to immigrants on high


why do most of the immigrants come from the countries we bomb?

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February 14, 2018, 06:52:15 PM

Are they available at  penisland.com ?   Grin      (actual website that sold pens, aka "Pen Island")

Yeah. So, Second Life. The VR community. You can buy and sell virtual items. Other than you can buy them inworld, there is also an internet store. An exchange. The URL: slexchange.com . Tell me you don't see it.

Incidentally, I would tend to think the URL you mention would be worth more as Penis Land than as Pen Island. Then again, with the pens you're talking about, maybe I'm leading a sheltered existence. Best hoity-toitiest I ever owned was a Mont Blanc.
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February 14, 2018, 07:13:31 PM

hoity-toitiest

Can we not use cringe inducing words like that on the bitcoin forum?  Need to revert to a nice normal discussion to cleanse our palates of such offensiveness:

http://dailystormer.name/awesome-new-medieval-game-causes-butthurt-because-of-total-lack-of-niggers/
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Are they available at  penisland.com ?   Grin      (actual website that sold pens, aka "Pen Island")

Yeah. So, Second Life. The VR community. You can buy and sell virtual items. Other than you can buy them inworld, there is also an internet store. An exchange. The URL: slexchange.com . Tell me you don't see it.

Incidentally, I would tend to think the URL you mention would be worth more as Penis Land than as Pen Island. Then again, with the pens you're talking about, maybe I'm leading a sheltered existence. Best hoity-toitiest I ever owned was a Mont Blanc.

If you look at the pen site... I believe it is a wonderfully subtle troll.
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