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Is 8k gonna hold ? what do you guys think ?


I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

Don't do it Hairy Mac.

We need you to bring back Rosewater, too...  

Did you check the cupboard under the stairs?  


Rosewater.... ?    Is that you?  Get out from under there,......

It's been more than 3 days.....   have you eaten?.. perhaps that's bread or are those crackers and what's the plastic and.... what's that???   do you have water?  Oh my, oh my... you not be looking good... and you have a fever too? why you shaking so much?      it's me, JJG... I am your friend...

What?  Wat?    You saying that I am too meanie?    And, I don't understand anything?   You want Jojo?  I thought you liked Hairy Mac?  Oh no, you want jojo?  Fuck... fuck..... Let's see if we can get Jojo over here?
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February 09, 2018, 06:13:00 AM

*sigh* no. IQ tests are simply pattern recognition. There is nothing cultural about it.

Pattern recognition has nothing cultural about it? I disagree. Try a "spot the pattern" competition in the Amazon forest against a local. Yes, you can use your calculator if needed (hint: it won't be).


It's this kind of patterns we are talking about. http://www.iqtestexperts.com/pattern-recognition-sample.php

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February 09, 2018, 06:46:57 AM

If you have done them before you will know it is just about rotating the objects. If you haven’t, then it will take you longer to test the hypothesis.  So practice and knowing how the test designers think will definitely make you faster because you can take shortcuts. Faster = higher IQ score.
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February 09, 2018, 06:56:30 AM

Binance booting back up soon..

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February 09, 2018, 06:59:13 AM

I think anyone who buys a pen worths thousands of dollars is a little bit mentally retarded.

You can stab people with it, stick up your jacksy, or even one's urethra, plug holes in aircraft fuselages to prevent depressurisation and use it to deliver children if there's no hot water and towels to hand.

Can a Lambo do any of that?

With a pen, you can perform emergency tracheotomies, too.

The Little Dutch Boy could have saved Haarlem from flooding by putting a pen in the dike instead of his finger, too.

Robotron ... Awesome ... Old "German Democratic Republic" (GDR or DDR in german) Hightec machine Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I don't risk bots, just leave buys low and then sells triggered a little higher (or vice versa) to catch a few hundred here and there on volatility overnight, or when I am away from the screen for a while (like when I remember I have a life).

Mainly because you wake up and it's been down and up, but instead of missing it - you've bought a coin, and sold it again and have a few more dollars to buy more BTC on the next dip (or conversely you can set up to sell on the next rise and auto-buy back) if the price leaps up, you don't have to have sells set up.  Or you can set up the other way if you think it's bouncing up.  Right now it's moving around more often than it's moving up to new levels.

Works for me.  It's fluctuating and I am trying to accumulate.  The Stamp chaining cannot buy 1.0 and sell 0.97 at the higher price though, so it's not a way to accumulate coin, only USD - which is not my preference.  I basically use it to play small 200 - 400 USD undulations based upon my preferred MA and lines.  If I buy one under the price while I sleep, cool.  If it flipped up and that coin I wasn't expecting got sold - leaving a profit, fine.

On the way down it helped me not to sob over my stash devaluation to have a play stash aiming at getting more coin.  It saved my sanity to have little victories in the carnage. And I made my cash last longer and got more coin for when it turns.
I'm running bots - but ended up writing my own to suit my trading strategy, that said - I didn't get it to work well on BTC/USD so use it to accumulate BTC by trading alt coins. I usually trade BTC/USD manually
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February 09, 2018, 07:12:56 AM

Breaking 24777$ prediction game      FINAL LIST        

15/02/2018 starmman

Just a week to go before the price hits $24777 LOL

Yeah but fk the moon, you are already on your way to Mars!


what you can't see from that shot: there's an Audi 9 inches behind and a BMW has just raced past

LOL I can tell you that there is life on Mars, however I've nipped back to Earth for (hopefully) a short visit.
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February 09, 2018, 07:13:21 AM

If you have done them before you will know it is just about rotating the objects. If you haven’t, then it will take you longer to test the hypothesis.  So practice and knowing how the test designers think will definitely make you faster because you can take shortcuts. Faster = higher IQ score.

That statement have been answered tree times now, give it a rest.
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February 09, 2018, 07:32:55 AM

oh fuck

where IS Rosewater?

Rose in the water, promised to go down with the ship...

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I don't risk bots, just leave buys low and then sells triggered a little higher (or vice versa) to catch a few hundred here and there on volatility overnight, or when I am away from the screen for a while (like when I remember I have a life).

Mainly because you wake up and it's been down and up, but instead of missing it - you've bought a coin, and sold it again and have a few more dollars to buy more BTC on the next dip (or conversely you can set up to sell on the next rise and auto-buy back) if the price leaps up, you don't have to have sells set up.  Or you can set up the other way if you think it's bouncing up.  Right now it's moving around more often than it's moving up to new levels.

Works for me.  It's fluctuating and I am trying to accumulate.  The Stamp chaining cannot buy 1.0 and sell 0.97 at the higher price though, so it's not a way to accumulate coin, only USD - which is not my preference.  I basically use it to play small 200 - 400 USD undulations based upon my preferred MA and lines.  If I buy one under the price while I sleep, cool.  If it flipped up and that coin I wasn't expecting got sold - leaving a profit, fine.

On the way down it helped me not to sob over my stash devaluation to have a play stash aiming at getting more coin.  It saved my sanity to have little victories in the carnage. And I made my cash last longer and got more coin for when it turns.
I'm running bots - but ended up writing my own to suit my trading strategy, that said - I didn't get it to work well on BTC/USD so use it to accumulate BTC by trading alt coins. I usually trade BTC/USD manually

Can't you program your trading bots to do whatever you want, or does it depend on the bot and how good you are at programing?
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Thanks, but sometimes it's better to ignore and hope it dies a natural death.  Smiley

 Ya gotta pick your battles.

I am back to doing that. And using ignore more often.
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February 09, 2018, 07:53:52 AM

Price be falling, yo.

Is it time to start panicking again ?

 Damn!  No fountain pen for me.


More like damn now i am looking up This Pens as well and thinking to buy one Just to have it as well must say they are very Nice looking and could be Nice accent @ home.... indeed very Nice looking especially NAMIKI EMPEROR MAKI-E FOUNTAIN PEN - TORYUMON, MEDIUM (2017 LIMITED EDITION)...., have to give iT a thought as well keep sharing Some of the Nice goods
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Can't you program your trading bots to do whatever you want, or does it depend on the bot and how good you are at programing?
Yes you can. You also have different bots for different market conditions. ei  p&d bot, bear market bot..sideways bot...what ever. Machine learning algo's can be added so the bot gets better over time. Here is a simple bot written in php. Scripts are pretty easy to craft with a little homework.
Code:
<?php
$apikey
='{insert_your_api_key}';
$apisecret='{insert_your_api_secret}';
function 
bittrexbalance($apikey$apisecret){
    
$nonce=time();
    
$uri='https://bittrex.com/api/v1.1/account/getbalance?apikey='.$apikey.'&currency=BTC&nonce='.$nonce;
    
$sign=hash_hmac('sha512',$uri,$apisecret);
    
$ch curl_init($uri);
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, array('apisign:'.$sign));
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFERtrue);
    
$execResult curl_exec($ch);
    
$obj json_decode($execResulttrue);
    
$balance $obj["result"]["Available"];
    return 
$balance;
}
function 
bittrexbuy($apikey$apisecret$symbol$quant$rate){
    
$nonce=time();
    
$uri='https://bittrex.com/api/v1.1/market/buylimit?apikey='.$apikey.'&market=BTC-'.$symbol.'&quantity='.$quant.'&rate='.$rate.'&nonce='.$nonce;
    
$sign=hash_hmac('sha512',$uri,$apisecret);
    
$ch curl_init($uri);
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, array('apisign:'.$sign));
    
$execResult curl_exec($ch);
    
$obj json_decode($execResulttrue);
    return 
$obj;
}
//fetch top 50 cryptos by marketcap
$cnmkt "https://api.coinmarketcap.com/v1/ticker/?limit=50";
$fgc json_decode(file_get_contents($cnmkt), true);
$counter 0;
for(
$i=0;$i<50;$i++){
    if(
$counter 3){
        
//check percentage change over last 7 days
        
$percCng $fgc[$i]["percent_change_7d"];
        if(
$percCng && $percCng > -4){
            
$symbol $fgc[$i]["symbol"];
            
$cost $fgc[$i]["price_btc"];
            
//fetch bittrex btc balance
            
$balance bittrexbalance($apikey$apisecret);
            
//calc 1/5th of available
            
$fifthBal $balance 5;
            
//calc how much coin to buy
            
$amounttobuy $fifthBal $cost;
            
$buy bittrexbuy($apikey$apisecret$symbol$amounttobuy$cost);
            
print_r($buy);
            
$counter++;
        }
    }
}
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(snip....)

The underlying question, of course, is: How can smaller creatures - human, tunas, herrings and minnows - see it coming?


This is a huge, but probably unanswerable question.  But it is one that anyone smart is always hoping to find the answer to.

Markets are all about confidence and sentiment, so (sadly) there is no perfect answer, even though with hindsight patterns do repeat.  But patterns can always be seen in the past and look obvious - seeing them coming again is not so easy.  Like Elliot waves; it's always debatable 'which wave' we are in.

For long-term trend prediction (the big turning points), I think indicators of irrational bullishness /bearishness are as good an indicator of anything a crash, or rise is coming - but this is unmeasurable mathematically.

Short term - personally - I draw lines on charts endlessly, decide my favourite candle time scale and which MA to trade on and it usually 'helps' - but only enough to give me an edge.  And it's an edge that works only if you work hard and spend a LOT of time on it.

I did sell off 20% in Dec, which was as much as I dared to because it was enough to change my life significantly - and I didn't know what the tax situation in my country was likely to mean for what I took out (plus it was still going up!).   I felt strongly we would probably correct, and I remembered 2013, so I took 'some' out.  I advised members of my close family who had anything to do the same (they chose not to).

I will say this:

With trends (not short term trading), the only thing that has worked for me is two methodologies:

1.  Gut feeling  (along with mentally preparing to 'sell to too early, if it's enough money to make a difference')

2.  Listening to Tera.
Well, while you can't predict where in a given pattern we are at any given moment, you can use historical data to get a probability of certain patterns unfolding on different time scales. And to be profitable all it takes is to be right just over 50% of the time, which is something that isn't extremely difficult in inefficient markets. That does take a very specific toolset though, so it's not for everyone by default, although the required skills can be acquired by anyone. The problem is that figuring out the details takes a very long time, and humans are pretty dreadful when it comes to long-term planning.

I think what d_eddie was quite reasonably asking was 'what can we learn so that can we see the big stuff coming in future', since most here did not.

I use TA and in normal conditions I can trade with enough edge for it to work well enough to be worthwhile, after five years, I ought to have learned something - but I didn't know where the top was, and I am not totally certain BTC has bottomed out.  To be really good, you need to sell all at the precise top, and then buy it back at the absolute bottom.  

I doubt anyone actually did.

Perfection is not possible, but getting closer to it is a noble and sensible quest.



Without investing tons of time, treat it like anything else: copy a pro, and fake it til you make it.  TERA is a pro.  Max gains is not realistic - selling too soon for GOOD gains flat out destroys panic selling on the way down, over the long term.  You might catch a top or a bottom just right here or there, but never enough to beat the average of always good.  

Yup, I agree. And I saw TERA slammed in '13 and again this time around.  

She gets closer than most, so people like her and Aminorex I tend to listen to carefully.  It's at least nudged me towards making a couple of investment decisions I have benefited from enormously.  You are of course well aware of what one of them was Wink
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February 09, 2018, 08:18:51 AM

Im bearish because of futures expiry in 5 days on 14 Feb. Something to keep in mind.
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Can't you program your trading bots to do whatever you want, or does it depend on the bot and how good you are at programing?
Yes you can. You also have different bots for different market conditions. ei  p&d bot, bear market bot..sideways bot...what ever. Machine learning algo's can be added so the bot gets better over time. Here is a simple bot written in php. Scripts are pretty easy to craft with a little homework.
Code:
<?php
$apikey
='{insert_your_api_key}';
$apisecret='{insert_your_api_secret}';
function 
bittrexbalance($apikey$apisecret){
    
$nonce=time();
    
$uri='https://bittrex.com/api/v1.1/account/getbalance?apikey='.$apikey.'&currency=BTC&nonce='.$nonce;
    
$sign=hash_hmac('sha512',$uri,$apisecret);
    
$ch curl_init($uri);
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, array('apisign:'.$sign));
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFERtrue);
    
$execResult curl_exec($ch);
    
$obj json_decode($execResulttrue);
    
$balance $obj["result"]["Available"];
    return 
$balance;
}
function 
bittrexbuy($apikey$apisecret$symbol$quant$rate){
    
$nonce=time();
    
$uri='https://bittrex.com/api/v1.1/market/buylimit?apikey='.$apikey.'&market=BTC-'.$symbol.'&quantity='.$quant.'&rate='.$rate.'&nonce='.$nonce;
    
$sign=hash_hmac('sha512',$uri,$apisecret);
    
$ch curl_init($uri);
        
curl_setopt($chCURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, array('apisign:'.$sign));
    
$execResult curl_exec($ch);
    
$obj json_decode($execResulttrue);
    return 
$obj;
}
//fetch top 50 cryptos by marketcap
$cnmkt "https://api.coinmarketcap.com/v1/ticker/?limit=50";
$fgc json_decode(file_get_contents($cnmkt), true);
$counter 0;
for(
$i=0;$i<50;$i++){
    if(
$counter 3){
        
//check percentage change over last 7 days
        
$percCng $fgc[$i]["percent_change_7d"];
        if(
$percCng && $percCng > -4){
            
$symbol $fgc[$i]["symbol"];
            
$cost $fgc[$i]["price_btc"];
            
//fetch bittrex btc balance
            
$balance bittrexbalance($apikey$apisecret);
            
//calc 1/5th of available
            
$fifthBal $balance 5;
            
//calc how much coin to buy
            
$amounttobuy $fifthBal $cost;
            
$buy bittrexbuy($apikey$apisecret$symbol$amounttobuy$cost);
            
print_r($buy);
            
$counter++;
        }
    }
}
?>


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"I should buy a bot... "




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The weekend is coming again, expecting to retest 7K
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"I should buy a bot... "

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The meme should say: 
"I should buy a bot... "




hahahahahaha....


Could only dream... and then have to enroll in bot programing lessons and hopefully not screw up the bot set up parameters too much... .

Finally build up a BTC portfolio of 10 coins, and then lose 9 of them because of a programming "glitch"
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