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November 22, 2019, 11:34:15 PM

Suggesting caution for too much optimism, I dig. But posting chart after chart from the past that proved wrong ...  Shocked

Well, I have enough examples of those on my own  Grin
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November 23, 2019, 12:10:47 AM


 It's an odd story and very sad for the women in his life.  Nobody should have to live in fear of the next beating.
 
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November 23, 2019, 12:23:41 AM

About the Tesla pickup, I LOVE IT!!
It's exactly what I've been dreaming of ever since watching Blade Runner and Alien in the 80s.
I never liked the sedan models with their ugly rounded 90s look, but this one, just what I have been dreaming of since the 80s.
That's my next car after the new blow of top in 2021. Thank you Elon.

You can't argue taste, but it looks like an APC.
I wonder if APCs could be had, used.
I checked out model 3: it is certainly not worth the asking price ($42K) because the cabin is so small.
Model S is nice, but about twice the price of a midsize beemer.
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November 23, 2019, 12:24:14 AM

It's only 2:05PM ET and we’ve already traded 2,367 contracts today, beating our previous record of 1,756

https://twitter.com/Bakkt/status/1197958340648800257?s=20
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November 23, 2019, 12:25:29 AM
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This is within the odds, and I think they are very high: The level of Bitcoin support could trigger an explosive movement of bulls, if defended.

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In the near-term, it is highly likely that Bitcoin will pause its descent at this level, as the $6,900 to $7,200 range marks the crypto’s “golden pocket,” which may allow it to find some much needed buying pressure that catalyzes a short-term rally.



Source: https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/11/22/bitcoin-support-level-may-spark-explosive-bull-movement-if-its-defended/
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November 23, 2019, 12:31:05 AM

Told you guys were in the great long-term downtrend. There is no substantial up from here. Yeah, sure, it'll wobble around, but we are definitely witnessing the "slow" death of bitcoin. There is not going to be another all time high. No more sustained above $10k prices anymore. That's in the past. I know it sucks for a lot of you to hear this, but it's just done. Play the market if you want, play a long term low leverage short if you really want to make money, but bitcoin has run it's course. 2 years from now bitcoin will not be above $10k, that's guaranteed.

Hardly guaranteed. There is a lot of uncertainty on a 2 year view, and it is one scenario that BTC may be experiencing slow death, but surely it is not possible to guarantee any particular outcome ?

What is the basis for your view that this is a long term downtrend ?

...and shorts are pretty hazardous, so I can see why you said 'low leverage'.  
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November 23, 2019, 12:45:51 AM

This is within the odds, and I think they are very high: The level of Bitcoin support could trigger an explosive movement of bulls, if defended.




Maybe, but perhaps not soon. Price is now close to better support. It may take a lot of time around these levels, but at least there is the possibility to pause and stop the medium term downtrend.
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November 23, 2019, 12:54:06 AM

About the Tesla pickup, I LOVE IT!!
It's exactly what I've been dreaming of ever since watching Blade Runner and Alien in the 80s.
I never liked the sedan models with their ugly rounded 90s look, but this one, just what I have been dreaming of since the 80s.
That's my next car after the new blow of top in 2021. Thank you Elon.

You can't argue taste, but it looks like an APC.
I wonder if APCs could be had, used.
I checked out model 3: it is certainly not worth the asking price ($42K) because the cabin is so small.
Model S is nice, but about twice the price of a midsize beemer.

I like APCs, yes they can be bought. Every now and then you see them for sale here in Sweden, mostly old KPs.

https://kvibergs.se/event/lotdetails/2258001/terrangbil-m42-skp-samlarobjekt-endast-379-mil-gar-bra

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November 23, 2019, 12:57:09 AM

$5000 BTC for black friday.
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November 23, 2019, 01:00:52 AM

Published on 21 March 2014, 15:06 UTC: Fake China Bitcoin Ban pushes BTC price below $600

https://www.ccn.com/fake-china-bitcoin-ban-pushes-btc-price-below-600/



Bitcoin's parabolic uptrend which started in January 2015 is still intact. Now nearly touching support again, for the first time since March 2019. #buythedip




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November 23, 2019, 01:35:01 AM

#HODLsleep #LETtheDUMBASSESkeepTALKING Kiss
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If the evil cult of Judaism admits they're running an unelected, treasonous, 5th column, deep state, it looks like an open and shut case for public execution in a court of military law since such a thing is not supposed to exist.
Since Jews as a whole are criminal, inbred psychopaths, they will likely not get the message until the entire 'deep state' apparatus like the CFR is tried in military court, convicted, and publicly hanged, from the CFR president, all the way down to every single lowly typist secretary that works there.  Then they can try and hang the numerous other Jewish criminal rackets posing as "think tanks" one by one as well.
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November 23, 2019, 01:59:43 AM

I spent three months of my life on btctalk.
Oh, well.
As Bob might say:
"Sheeeeit"
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November 23, 2019, 03:11:29 AM

Could be. Could be.

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November 23, 2019, 03:33:06 AM

Told you guys were in the great long-term downtrend. There is no substantial up from here. Yeah, sure, it'll wobble around, but we are definitely witnessing the "slow" death of bitcoin. There is not going to be another all time high. No more sustained above $10k prices anymore. That's in the past. I know it sucks for a lot of you to hear this, but it's just done. Play the market if you want, play a long term low leverage short if you really want to make money, but bitcoin has run it's course. 2 years from now bitcoin will not be above $10k, that's guaranteed.

I love you are hedging your 10k quote there since the last time you said it would not go above 10k again it did...

Nice to see you... nice timing.
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November 23, 2019, 03:46:13 AM

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You seem to have some correct in you from time to time, lambie bambie.

When there are posts about extravagances, then that seems to be an opposite behavior to HODL and accumulate... especially when the BTC prices are dipping.

Seems that we might need more McDonalds posts and possible ways of frugality during these kinds of trying times.

If you have a substantial stash of coin, retired off it, need income but are loath to sell at these prices, consider earning weekly interest on a portion of holdings through Celsius.  It's way better than selling.  
... Then again, by lending, am I providing the central bankers a means to drive the price down I wonder?

I don't rest understand these aspects of market mechanics.

A lot of people get distracted and lured into interest bearing products because they believe that the return on BTC is not good enough for them. Seems too risky to me, and also seems unnecessary, but if you want to trust your coins with third parties, then so be it.  That's your choice.

Many times people who borrow BTC are actually dumping those BTC so yes, there is that aspect to it, on a more macro level.

I lend a portion of my btc Stash for weekly interest payments because I have no regular income investments at all, it's in btc mostly, and a bit in managed investments.  Being retired, I need income, and btc lending is the most obvious source to put it to work.

Well, that is fair enough.  Each person has to consider his/her own situation and what investment options that s/he has including what other investments that s/he has, which might include various forms of cashflow that might be available, including whether cash flow comes from other places.

Surely, I would not recommend any kind of diversification of investments that only involve BTC or have no other investments or has all money only in BTC, but whatever each of us has different situations whether we have to start drawing from our BTC or if we have other sources upon which we can draw  - and of course, if you are retired, then either you have an income from your retirement and/or your accumulated assets or you don't, so if you have no other accumulated assets that can  draw income and/or you do not have an income from other retirement plans, then yeah, you might not have any other choice but to start to attempt to earn an income off of your BTC stash.  Does not seem to be a preferred situation, but it is what it is in terms of where you are at and your age or health conditions or your mere choice to go into retirement status (if not choosing prematurely, only you would know the answers to those various questions).


I will never sell my btc Stash at below ath prices if I can live off interest, as a matter of principle.  But is it really more principled and better for btc to lend instead of sell?

Those are factors that you need to weigh for yourself the extent to which it would be better to lend than to sell, and not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion.  I am pretty sure that I am not going to come to that conclusion, but my plan is likely going to play out differently, since I had considered the most intense aspect of my BTC accumulation phase to have been in 2014, and even though I still accumulate some BTC, especially on large price swing, my whole system has gone more into a kind of maintenance stage.  I am thinking 4-5 years in which I might go into more of a liquidation phase, and currently my going into a liquidation phase has more to do with other things going on in my life rather than purely considerations of BTC price, because currently, I would ONLY not sell BTC if they BTC price were below $5k, otherwise, my liquidation phase (if I were to feel some need to go into it) is already tentatively authorized (by me) so long as the BTC price is over $5k.  By the way, early liquidation (which is theorized as a kind of maintenance of principle) authorizes a withdrawal of 1% of value per quarter, but if I go into a more aggressive liquidation that involves selling principle, then that would likely mean that I either have some emergency situation or some thoughts of needs to attempt to liquidate before end of life, if such a health situation or age were in consideration of such timeline issues.


I figure if central bankers are borrowing mine and others btc through middlemen like celsius.network to dump it, assuming they have infinite Fiat to play with, the price will go down as long as people are willing to lend.  But if deep pocket buyers ever buy more than what's available to lend, the price has to shoot up like fireworks when they cover their shorts by actually buying.

Those things could happen, but your decision to lend BTC through celsius network or through any other platform like that should be made on an individual level in terms of whether you believe that it is a prudent risk for you to leave your private keys with some other entity including the pay off that you get or if there might be better ways to either generate income (whether from BTC or otherwise).

I will concede that I had gained some interest on BTC that I had on Bitfinex during the 2017 market, and I recall that a lot of guys made a killing on Poloniex during that time, and even though I chose to make some BTC (or stack some sats) at that time, I have subsequently come to different conclusions about the level of risk, and that was only less than 10% of my total BTC, anyhow, but still, I no longer believe it to be prudent risk for myself, but I understand that guys (and gal) are going come to differing conclusions regarding the amount of risk that they are willing to take for the pay off that they believe that they will get through the use of such lending service(s).


Increasing volatility will not be good for growing adoption, yet isn't it better to lend than to sell?

It is not necessarily better to lend than sell.  You are taking on additional risk, and that is a choice that you make, and not everyone will conclude it to be a prudent risk.

Furthermore, there are also ways to make money through volatility, and surely volatility are one of the most guaranteed to happen phenomenons in bitcoin, moreso whether it's price is going up or going down, it is almost inevitably going to be volatile for a decently long period of time into the future, and if you know how to play volatility you can either make money off of that or at least attempt to use volatility to your advantage.

If I had a do over I would have sold off half my holdings earlier, but it's so easy to get greedy.

I don't recommend playing around like that, and sure it is easy to make those kinds of proclamations retrospectively, but it is really hard to predict the BTC price direction, so it might not pan out too well to be selling large portions of your BTC and believe that you know that a correction is coming, when it may or may not come in such a way that would allow you to sufficiently profit over having had just held through the ups and downs and just keep accumulating BTC like a long term investment rather than trying to play short term moves with large amounts of your BTC stash.
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November 23, 2019, 03:47:23 AM
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Hopefully 6400 will have a shot, but the speed down is brutal and the volume is still sad and longing for the Bargain Boyz to return.

If 6400 doesnt hold I dont see how we dont get to at least as low as 5200. That should be a compelling price even for the stingy, cold and calculating Bargain Boyz.

Damn Lambie, I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the general gist of your calls over the last couple of months. Your bearish leanings have been vindicated.

The Bargain Boyz attempting to pick up just north of $7k have thus proven themselves to not be very good at their profession. The real Bargain Boyz will only be known to us after they have already picked up. The art of identifying the steep dollar-store bargain as its happening is one that is difficult to master.



Sir take my last 4 merits. The obvious truths are hardest to see through a cloud of bias and neediness and I commend you for having vision to pierce through that miasma. The bubble to 14k while it was spectacularly surprising and not obvious in its rise, was destined for an obvious fall if you were impartial to the circumstances.

This impartiality is exceedingly difficult for people who have not invested enough. This is counterintuitive so I will explain what I mean.

The general dollar store advice is that if you are biased and stressed about your investment you have invested too much, while this is true, even with Bitcoin, the opposite is also true when it comes to King Bitcoin. It is such a good investment that true bias and stress comes from investing a large amount, but the amount not being large enough.

When you take your investment level to ridiculous extremes in percent of your net worth you become free of worry because you are forced to accept the fact that it could all go to zero and you will be wiped out in savings. As you deal with and accept this possibility early you realize that you are part of a cause greater than yourself and hypothetical losses in the future are inconsequential.

This same phenomena is why you see children with cancer who may not survive enjoying life while their family freaks out and is sad all the time. The child is all in, while the parents are just heavily invested. The child is forced to accept the potential of his death and he becomes ok with it, the parents worry and stress the whole time.  

So the only stress free way I know of to invest in King Bitcoin is to go virtually all in.

Any other option is where the worry can get you and the bias can cloud your judgement.

Move over Tulsi, Lambie is my man! (slightly homo)

Lol, bro we can go family style on Tulsi, thats not homo as long as swords dont cross.

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She is a public servant so Im sure she wont mind serving us properly.  Cheesy

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November 23, 2019, 03:51:54 AM

Just don't sell ANYTHING otherwise the kikes and Chinese communists will buy the coins then try to rig the market up in a pump and dump scam.  We need everyone to HODL so none of these retard scammers can monopolize the float.  Then anyone that has anything to do with shilling for imaginary, valueless timestamps over physical metals can lose their shirts in a sea of destruction as the entire market implodes.  To defeat the kikes and Chinese communists, we need people willing to take one for the team and HODL to zero.
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Do you see? It never reached the curve! It had to be lowered and adjusted!

Stability in the parameters of a model is a good things.
This is why I am bullish on the Stock to Flow model: his parameters have been very stable since 2009-2012 era, hence even before the first halvening.
Given the fact the price has done probably 100x since then, this is a very reassuring quality of the model.

More info here: Stock To Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity






here is more of them, they all get adjusted and always lowered so you might lower your expectations.
If somebody lives in a clouds then this fall might seem to harsh.

The more that you post, SuperTA, the more that you come off as an out of touch goofball.

Who fucking gives any shits about how historical projections have played out, unless you are suggesting that bitcoin would have been a bad investment from 2010 to present.  Surely you are not saying that.  Are you?

Bitcoin has been amongst the best of investments for the past  9 years, especially for anyone who either buys and holds or has a more strategic plan to accumulate BTC, and especially if such plan lasts longer than 3.5 years.  Surely frequently there have been shorter periods in which such a consistent buy and accumulation of BTC plan would have worked out, but so long as there was buying and accumulating, historically you would NOT have gone wrong if you only engaged in those two activities (presuming that you safeguarded your BTC so they would not get lost or stolen, too).
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Hopefully 6400 will have a shot, but the speed down is brutal and the volume is still sad and longing for the Bargain Boyz to return.

If 6400 doesnt hold I dont see how we dont get to at least as low as 5200. That should be a compelling price even for the stingy, cold and calculating Bargain Boyz.

Damn Lambie, I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the general gist of your calls over the last couple of months. Your bearish leanings have been vindicated.

The Bargain Boyz attempting to pick up just north of $7k have thus proven themselves to not be very good at their profession. The real Bargain Boyz will only be known to us after they have already picked up. The art of identifying the steep dollar-store bargain as its happening is one that is difficult to master.



Sir take my last 4 merits. The obvious truths are hardest to see through a cloud of bias and neediness and I commend you for having vision to pierce through that miasma. The bubble to 14k while it was spectacularly surprising and not obvious in its rise, was destined for an obvious fall if you were impartial to the circumstances.

This impartiality is exceedingly difficult for people who have not invested enough. This is counterintuitive so I will explain what I mean.

The general dollar store advice is that if you are biased and stressed about your investment you have invested too much, while this is true, even with Bitcoin, the opposite is also true when it comes to King Bitcoin. It is such a good investment that true bias and stress comes from investing a large amount, but the amount not being large enough.

When you take your investment level to ridiculous extremes in percent of your net worth you become free of worry because you are forced to accept the fact that it could all go to zero and you will be wiped out in savings. As you deal with and accept this possibility early you realize that you are part of a cause greater than yourself and hypothetical losses in the future are inconsequential.

This same phenomena is why you see children with cancer who may not survive enjoying life while their family freaks out and is sad all the time. The child is all in, while the parents are just heavily invested. The child is forced to accept the potential of his death and he becomes ok with it, the parents worry and stress the whole time.  

So the only stress free way I know of to invest in King Bitcoin is to go virtually all in.

Any other option is where the worry can get you and the bias can cloud your judgement.


hahahahaha

How about you can fuck off, lambie? holier than thou, art.. thee, not.   Roll Eyes   Tongue  Cheesy



You are not more insightful or free merely because you are purportedly overinvested in BTC.  Get real.

Of course, for yourself, you might have come to that conclusion, and believe that such a way of "all in" investment works, presuming that you are actually representing what you actually do.

Each person can decide for him/herself regarding the amount to invest (or to invest) and whether s/he believes that his/her level of investment (or not) has brought enlightenment.
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