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I have been to a local Bitcoin meet-up this evening.
Host/Valet: Giacomo Zucco
Special Guest: Saifedean Ammous.
I think you know the guy.



Best quote of the night:

Quote from: “Saifedean Ammous”
“The most subsersive thing you can to with bitcoin is saving”

 ❤️#nohomo

That was great!

Edit: the concept has been told a few times:

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"The only crime you should do with Bitcoin is saving and that's the most powerful of the crimes"
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I hope you learned the importance of always having a stash of those at home.... to share with newbs who are interested Cheesy

One must always contribute Grin

I posted on the italian board my long owned copy being autographed... like the usual girl having her tit autographer by a random rockstar....



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January 21, 2020, 10:09:35 AM

Bitcoin risk & return last 11 years was better than EMH/non arbitrage/CAPM expectation based on 50 yrs bond, gold, stocks data. What do you think? Not enough data? Market overestimates risk (btc dies, govt ban etc)? Taleb's turkey (tail risk / fat tails)?
https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD100trillionUSD/efficient-market-hypothesis-and-bitcoin-stock-to-flow-model-db17f40e6107



https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1219249948237205504?s=20

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"THE FIAT STANDARD, the debt slavery alternative to human civilization" vs THE BITCOIN STANDARD, a decentralized alternative to Centra Banking" #bitcoin


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January 21, 2020, 10:57:03 AM

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Print those bills!

I mean good morning WO and observing @ $8,645 😉
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I’d like to see something similar passed in the UK.

Well, we do get a 12 grand or so tax free allowance per year which could be worse.

Capital gains is not one of those taxes that the average voter pays or gives a shit about so I can well imagine it'll rise at some point. It's a pretty soft target. And it would've been 90 billion per cent had Labour gotten in.

I’m really not happy at the thought of paying 20%, that sucks man. Why should I pay so much money when the majority of my coins were bought for so little.

The government does not deserve to take so much from us.

What I like is the idea when its paid, then its paid. Live free and happy no nasty taxman visit or whatever
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January 21, 2020, 11:56:28 AM

@rektCapital
The previous bull market lasted 152 weeks

That's 1064 days

Almost 3 years

We are 42 weeks into the current #Bitcoin Bull Market

With only 111 days left until the next Bitcoin Halving

$BTC #Crypto
https://twitter.com/rektcapital/status/1219580601382113280?s=21
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Where is the world it is pleasantly warm, but not hot at least 8-9 mo/year?
A sea and or a lake is required, preferably english speaking (at least in a large part) populace.
I cannot think of anywhere apart from few small places in The Caribbean, with a threat of hurricanes, etc.
I've been through several hurricanes already, it's a thing to avoid if possible.
Without considering language, I was also thinking about Greece (including Corfu), some Mediterranean islands (Crete, etc.), maybe Canary islands.
Maybe I should learn Spanish or Portuguese, finally.

Suggestions?

Canary islands is probably what better fit that description. Not too expensive. Warm weather all year round (for foreigners... the summer is too dull for me) and plenty of english speaking zones/communities.

Malaga coast also have a lot of english speaking zones/resorts but the weather during summer maybe is a bit on the hot side for foreigners. Also more expensive but still very affordable in comparison to other countries. *Many* UK/German/etc retirees there specially in Marbella.

Palma de Mallorca another option. With a lot of english speaking people there. But the *WET* weather (humidity) is absolutely ridiculous.

Portugal, there are also some reasonable options, like Portimão, etc...

Lived there 6 months. Christmas stroll along the beach, awesome.

Yes I also met a few retirees, living a great life on the cost of heating a room back in the uk.

Probably more now but it was about 80p a pint, 80p fags, 80p full English etc. etc.

Plus lots of touristy entertainment, live music acts etc.

 
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Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still going sideways preparing for another assault on $9k I see... currently $8646USD/$11312CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Ho. Hum.

Quote from: “Saifedean Ammous”
“The most subversive thing you can to with bitcoin is saving”

It's a shame but it's absolutely true.

How times change. I guess I'm showing my age but when I was a kid saving was considered a virtue. Usury was a crime. Loan sharks were sleazy gangsters akin to pushers and pimps.

We were advised to save up to buy things we needed. Borrowing to buy things was considered foolish weakness, like drug addiction or gambling. Bank accounts were for saving, not spending. Sure, some payments were made by cheque (i.e. utility bills) but most purchases were made with good clean honest cash.

Bank credit was for businesses, for earning money, not spending it. Individuals borrowed mainly for mortgages or home improvement loans which were themselves a form of business loan. For everything else you saved until you could afford to buy with cash.

Consumer credit was on a small personal level. People would send their kids to the neighborhood grocery store for a few things during the week and the grocer would put them on your tab to be settled up in cash when he delivered your weekly grocery order on Saturday.

Banks paid people to save money which they then lent out to businesses. There were no service charges for regular services like deposits and withdrawals. "Prizes" like toasters or other household appliances were given as inducements to open accounts. No identification was required (nor asked for) to open an account. The fact that you trusted them with your money was enough.

Benjamin Franklin in his wisdom said, "neither borrower nor lender be". How sad that we have allowed ourselves to become wage and debt slaves.

"Hodling" is emancipation.
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Decentralized digital identities and blockchain: The future as we see it.

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To that end today we are sharing our best thinking based on what we’ve learned from our decentralized identity incubation, an effort which is aimed at enabling richer experiences, enhancing trust, and reducing friction, while empowering every person to own and control their Digital Identity.

1.Own and control your Identity. Today, users grant broad consent to countless apps and services for collection, use and retention beyond their control. With data breaches and identity theft becoming more sophisticated and frequent, users need a way to take ownership of their identity. After examining decentralized storage systems, consensus protocols, blockchains, and a variety of emerging standards we believe blockchain technology and protocols are well suited for enabling Decentralized IDs (DID).

2. Privacy by design, built in from the ground up.
Today, apps, services, and organizations deliver convenient, predictable, tailored experiences that depend on control of identity-bound data. We need a secure encrypted digital hub (ID Hubs) that can interact with user’s data while honoring user privacy and control.

3. Trust is earned by individuals, built by the community.
Traditional identity systems are mostly geared toward authentication and access management. A self-owned identity system adds a focus on authenticity and how community can establish trust. In a decentralized system trust is based on attestations: claims that other entities endorse – which helps prove facets of one’s identity.

4. Apps and services built with the user at the center.
Some of the most engaging apps and services today are ones that offer experiences personalized for their users by gaining access to their user’s Personally Identifiable Information (PII). DIDs and ID Hubs can enable developers to gain access to a more precise set of attestations while reducing legal and compliance risks by processing such information, instead of controlling it on behalf of the user.

5. Open, interoperable foundation.
To create a robust decentralized identity ecosystem that is accessible to all, it must be built on standard, open source technologies, protocols, and reference implementations. For the past year we have been participating in the Decentralized Identity Foundation (DIF) with individuals and organizations who are similarly motivated to take on this challenge. We are collaboratively developing the following key components:

* Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) – a W3C spec that defines a common document format for describing the state of a Decentralized Identifier.
* Identity Hubs – an encrypted identity datastore that features message/intent relay, attestation handling, and identity-specific compute endpoints.
* Universal DID Resolver – a server that resolves DIDs across blockchains.
* Verifiable Credentials – a W3C spec that defines a document format for encoding DID-based attestations.  

6. Ready for world scale:
To support a vast world of users, organizations, and devices, the underlying technology must be capable of scale and performance on par with traditional systems. Some public blockchains (Bitcoin BTC, Ethereum, Litecoin, to name a select few) provide a solid foundation for rooting DIDs, recording DPKI operations, and anchoring attestations. While some blockchain communities have increased on-chain transaction capacity (e.g. blocksize increases), this approach generally degrades the decentralized state of the network and cannot reach the millions of transactions per second the system would generate at world-scale. To overcome these technical barriers, we are collaborating on decentralized Layer 2 protocols that run atop these public blockchains to achieve global scale, while preserving the attributes of a world class DID system.

7. Accessible to everyone:
The blockchain ecosystem today is still mostly early adopters who are willing to spend time, effort, and energy managing keys and securing devices. This is not something we can expect mainstream people to deal with. We need to make key management challenges, such as recovery, rotation, and secure access, intuitive and fool-proof.

Tl;dr Microsoft will build the decentralized IDs (DID) system on top of Bitcoin using Lightning.



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January 21, 2020, 03:42:24 PM

When Ve ge TA ?

Right now the price is a bit overexcited and needs a cup of tea and a lie down.  Zat is all. 




Do you believe in $400k BTC somewhere in 2021?



Now that's some good hopium!
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CME Bitcoin Options Volume Doubles One Week After Launch, Hits $5.3M


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Bitcoin (BTC) options from CME Group more than doubled their traded volume in the first week after going live, data shows.

According to figures supplied by the company, Bitcoin options volumes skyrocketed in the seven days since they went live on Jan. 13.

BTC futures options surge higher
As of Jan. 17, volume was 122 contracts, worth 610 BTC ($5.27 million). By comparison, on day one, volume was 55 contracts, or 275 BTC (currently worth $2.37 million).

Open interest on options stood at 219 contracts on Friday, equivalent to 1,095 BTC ($9.45 million).

https://cointelegraph.com/news/cme-bitcoin-options-volume-doubles-one-week-after-launch-hits-53m
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Nice addition with stock to flow model..

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Bitcoin price with S2F 2012-2018 vs 2016-2022


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January 21, 2020, 04:46:46 PM

Nice. Already 25% increase from the 15th-20th December. The next target 18th January. Maybe a day more or less. Will consider to take some profits.
Told ya! Target 18th January! It worked like a magic! JuanGee, do you believe now in this theory? Or still sceptical?

You are a fucking diptwat.

I will say that.. reason: because you mentioned my name  along with your stupid-ass numerology, phoney baloney.  

You are just waiting to get fucked up the ass.

Bob has not been feeling too good recently, so if he does not want to sacrifice one for the team, we might have to find another willing one.. .    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
No, because you canot explain why is this stupid if it works?  Now it's the 2nd time in a row. That's not luck. I called only twice in 3 months, the bottom and now the top. Please explain why is it stupid?  I will shut my mouth when you guess the next bottom and the next top. But i don't think you have that knowledge or luck to giess that.

The more you speak, the dumber you sound.

There is no burden on me to show whether or not your stupid-ass assertion of a system that is based on the movements of planetary bodies works, but I am going to call it a stupid-ass system to the extent that you are trying to convince others to follow such astrological nonsense in their bitcoin choices.  

Do what you want with your own investments into your likely mediocre amount of less than 1 BTC and your martingale practices.  

I give less than two shits, except for your trying to assert that you have something of value, importance or insight that others should also follow.  The burden is on you, not me, and it continues to sound dumb as fuck to me, and I could give two shits if you end up being correct on the next 50 coin tosses, the success of your calling heads and tails does not mean that you know more than dip squat.

JayGee has aparently a prejudice about something he doesn't know.

You already explained your planetary bodies theory sufficiently in order to know that it is about as fucking dumb as they get.  I have heard enough astrology and other psychic assertions to know that there is no basis to your shadow watching and that you would be much better off if you removed yourself from the cave and started to attempt to make predictions based on actual meaningful evidence rather than shadows.

Maybe you heard from others that numerology or planets are pseudo science. You have been misslead.

I am not 14 years old.. I have been around a bit longer than that.    (Greta, is that you?)     

I am also not a virgin, so I understand various aspects of sex and sexual interactions that come under a variety of courting circumstances....  shit can become complicated, so better not have no more sex because it gets complicated.  Much easier to just say no.  Agreed?

Peasants stay peasants unless they have a luck. So your only chance is to hodl because you don't have the knowledge. But you're lucky enough to be in btc.

I have many years of investing in a variety of assets, and when I came to BTC I already had a lot of years of investing and building up capital and various kinds of experiences.  
When I got into bitcoin more than 6 years ago, I was able to employ some known strategies and also to learn a lot of new strategies, especially since I had not had so much ability to have access to 24/7 and either free or low cost trading, and of course, some of the trading options have changed over the years, but I have also been a lot more active with my bitcoin investment rather than other investments that I had, and overall bitcoin has had considerable exponential growth and a lot of volatility, that I have witnessed through those years and while actively watching it and investing into it.  

Admittedly in my first couple of years, I was mostly focused on accumulation and buying on dips, so any time that I sold BTC in my first couple of years resulted in almost immediate replacement, but starting in about late 2015, I began to expand some of the timeline in which I replaced my sales, and employed a lot of other tactics in order to attempt to increase my preparations for BTC price movements in either direction.. both emotional and financial preparations.

In the end, my systems and the building upon systems do not rely on short term predictions or making those kinds of predictions, and I tend to enjoy criticizing when others attempt to put too much credence into their systems - which your nearly baseless system clearly falls under an absurdity category, and what is even more absurd is that you continue to try to spout it out.. for what purpose?  Who knows?  You just want to be famous?  You want a following for your sorcery?   Keep making your predictions?  Maybe you should describe your bitcoin buys and sales too?  Are you gaining more BTC?   What else is going on in your investments?  How is your cashflow?  your view on bitcoin as compared with other investments?  Does that matter?  How about your timeline?  Do you have other investments or are you trading everything on Gann theories?  

Ultimately, I anticipate that you do not have very much money, anyhow, so it probably does not matter too much what you are doing, because you do not have much to lose.  You believe that you are going to plan this way for your whole life, but by the time you are in your 40s, you are going to be a total fucking wreck, unless you fix your ways.. but no, you know everything because you are young and you have a lot of ideas that you want to share.  Problem is that those fucking stupid ass planetology ideas do not work, even if they sound all woo woo... and  by the time you figure it out, it will be too late and you will be fucked.

In other words, better that you attempt to learn now, rather than spouting out your woo woo nonsense and actually following that bullshit...

Get some better and more solid plans about how to approach matters, and maybe attempt to have sex too... it is a pretty fun little hobby having sex, but I do understand that you might not want to have sex with just anyone.. especially the first few times.  Good luck and report back when you fixed some of this nonsense going on in your life, your thinking and likely negatively impacting on your finances too (even if you might not realize it now (regarding your finances), you will in the future if you don't start to take meaningful measures as soon as your lil pee wee brain can start to appreciate more complicated ideas in life).
Chill! I'm just another Jupiter passing by. Jupiter doesn't need anything to be happy. Jupiter=happines....I don't need sex or your coins to go to the moon to be happy because i'm beyond the moon.
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Chill! I'm just another Jupiter passing by. Jupiter doesn't need anything to be happy. Jupiter=happines....I don't need sex or your coins to go to the moon to be happy because i'm beyond the moon.

Good! Stay there and don't come back here again. Thanks.
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Chill! I'm just another Jupiter passing by. Jupiter doesn't need anything to be happy. Jupiter=happines....I don't need sex or your coins to go to the moon to be happy because i'm beyond the moon.

Good! Stay there and don't come back here again. Thanks.
Jupiter is the planet of expansion and freedom. It doesn't like any restrictions. If you wish you can limit yourself but not others! Cheers!
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What if I shoot them? that would be pretty limiting


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What if I shoot them? that would be pretty limiting



You're lucky! I see a lot of planet symbols in your name and rank. Even your name Globb0= Globe
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January 21, 2020, 05:52:53 PM

GET the BTC!



https://phemex.com/references/articles/try-to-solve-our-2-btc-puzzle#puzzle-rules

I have no F**king clue! LOL
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Square Crypto Is Creating a ‘Lightning Development Kit’ for Bitcoin Wallets

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Square Crypto, the payment company's bitcoin-focused wing, is building a "Lightning Development Kit" for wallet and app developers to more easily build on the layer-2 solution.

https://www.coindesk.com/square-crypto-is-creating-a-lightning-development-kit-for-bitcoin-wallets

What We’re Building: Lightning Development Kit

https://medium.com/@squarecrypto/what-were-building-lightning-development-kit-1ed58b0cab06
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