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December 27, 2022, 05:51:38 AM

Bitcoin has been stuck between $16,000-$17,000 for one week.




Please quote my post...

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It is true that the price of Bitcoin is stuck here for a long time, but the chances of an increase are very low.  Bitcoin price could fall further, experts say.  But we have no reason to despair.  Dumping will be for pumping...
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The Long Island railroad model is only an illustration of the issue.

Yes.  It seems that I accounted for that it was only an example.. or illustration or whatever.

how bout this.

USA go to school in 1975 lots of good cheap colleges get out at 21-22 zero debt get a job blank blank blank..

USA go to school in 1996 not as many good cheap colleges get out at 23-24 as you need a masters to compete with the ones that graduated in 1975 and you have a small loan maybe 25k

USA go to school in 2017 almost any college cost at least 60k more like 200k get out at 23-24 you better have a masters to compete with the ones that graduated in 1975 and 1996 and you have a larger loan over 100k.


that is the education twist on the Long Island Railroad example I gave.

You're still not really saying much of anything.  So what?  Largely you seem to be recognizing some potentially conceded hypotheticals, and the points that you are trying to make?  How do your points relate to what we are talking about here?  

As to why I use USA simple USA is still the fiat standard (how long does it have?)

and USA so far was able to heavily fuck the world market by raising % rates for the dollar.

Which is many countries are trying to do BTC and which is why the dems let SBF shit all over (JJG you will love this) BTC using FTX and all the shitcoins (other than LTC + Doge).

Oh gawd..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  You just love simple scenarios.   Yes.. there was a lot of bullshit fraud going on in the SBF/FTX/Alameda case.  Yes.. the US Govt seems to be quite threatened by bitcoin from several angles... so there seems to be various kinds of mud-stirring going on that might involve collusion to allow SBF/FTX/Alameda to fuck around with bitcoin in terms of not having bitcoin to back up what they were doing and to be engaged in a kind of fractional reserve that involved no bitcoin.. and a lot of fake shit.. yes.. so what?  what are you saying? exactly?  Are you trying to make some narrow causal statements in regards to how dirty the USA Govt is going to play and that's why you don't believe in buying bitcoin and instead you are going to buy I-Bonds?

Does this clarify it a bit more.

Please remember it is always or almost always just written in stream of consciousness.

It does not really clarify very much.  We don't disagree that various kinds of shit is happening that relates to bitcoin, and it has historically been happening, and it is likely to continue to happen and also we are still discovering some of the various connections of SBF/FTX/Alameda to bitcoin and surely, there might be some attempts to cover some of that up too, but it may well be too difficult to cover some of those relationships up.. We will see, but bitcoin is not merely about the description that picks out various things that are going on and then NOT really having much of any kind of point except maybe to say things are messy or maybe you want to say BTC prices are going down?  or would you rather say that bitcoin prices are going up?  You see that it sometimes can be difficult to figure out what point that you are wanting to make..

yes, we know that there are all kinds of dynamics that relate to cost of living getting worse for Americans.  Are you familiar with any of Jeff Booth's ideas in terms of the price of tomorrow or even maybe some of the podcasts that he has recently participated in?  I can give you some links, but I am not sure if that will help if you might not listen to them and you just point out various facts that a lot of us really already know, but just pointing out "stream of conscious" facts does not always necessarily lead to the various conclusions that you want to make.. or your speculations about when x, y or z is going to happen.  Does it?  

I know that you just love to make specific predictions, but what good is that going to do?   maybe a lot of us might NOT be in great disagreement if you are making directional and long term predictions rather than specifics (as long as you keep your stupid-ass talking up of doggie coin or keep litecoin pumping out of it), but if you are trying to lock-in specific kinds of short-term predictions in a sorcerer guru wannabe way, then you are more likely to receive push back.. maybe not from everyone..

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82x16800= 1,377,600 while it may be a nice chunk of change it is not entry level fuck you status.

If you had read the post, I am going by the 200-week moving average which is currently $24,400..   I am not suggesting that any BTC would be spent below the 200-week moving average.. but the 200-week moving average can likely serve as a kind of gauge for folks who are long-term oriented.

If you are thinking in dollars and you are wanting to cash out right now, then yeah you will need more, but not too many people here are very excited about holding much of their Investment portfolio in dollars, except maybe you.

Yes, I will concede also that an investment portfolio would not necessarily ONLY have bitcoin and dollars in it, so there are a lot of ways to end up feeling that you are either at or pretty fucking close to fuck you status, merely because you currently have 82 BTC and perhaps some other assets?  

Perhaps you also have stocks and bonds and property and some PMs and maybe you even have a pension plan and social security too... whether your age is 50 or you might be another age would also contribute whether you consider yourself to be close to entry level fuck you status or perhaps exceeding it.  We would need to figure out what is the whole package before we start to poo poo someone who happens to have 82 BTC at this time and to be suggesting that maybe they don't have enough, because I would think that a 50 year old with 82 bitcoin right now would feel as if he is in pretty decent shape.. except perhaps if you are trying to spin the whole situation into an assertion that this vacuous and gambling 50 year old does not have anything except the 82 bitcoin, and yeah, then he is in a much worse situation if he has not really balanced out his investments in a variety of ways and he has not been able to generate any other cashflow sources in his life.. so maybe if he were to ONLY have 82 bitcoin in your spinning of the scenario, then maybe he would have to keep working or find a job in which he can build other aspect (assets within) his investment portfolio before he is able to feel that he is at or near fuck you status. 

By the way, there are a lot of ways to measure wealth, and I have never been the one to suggest to put all of your assets in bitcoin, and I also believe diversification is a good idea, especially once you start to build your investment portfolio.. and yeah, when I refer to diversification, I am not referring to buying shitcoins.. .
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I am not sure if 20 BTC is going to be enough to supplement the cashflow of any person, even though it seems that something like 100 BTC right now would be enough - yet of course, devil is in the details in regards to how much we need and when we need it..

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Anyway, of course, money management.. and of course no guarantees.. and surely by the time we start to get into our 50s or later, then it would seem that many of us shoudl have already created and maintained some investment portfolio that goes beyond merely having BTC and perhaps taking our other income sources, whether social security, pension, 401ks and/or other sources like that with a grain of salt... but still the various uncertain sources of income likely have greater than zero present value.. unless you really are assigning high values to Armagaeddon scenarios.

Having said all that I totally appreciate you, if everyone was as smart as you, think Bitcoin would already be a real currency in many countries. But although I'm not entirely sure, hope that Bitcoin will one day become a real currency like gold was a currency in the primitive days, I think it will be, even though we know that every currency is unstable. But the difference is that the area of change is a little more or less and it is also true that it is not right to judge Bitcoin by all kinds of differences.

Finally, it can be said that every person needs to have a deep understanding of Bitcoin like you(That is the Example of Knowledge), so that Bitcoin can become more prosperous in the world.
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December 27, 2022, 07:33:24 AM

Most common response I’ve been hearing wrt to #BitcoinBTC  is that people feel they “missed it.” This couldn’t be further from the truth.



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If you look at the Halving Halbin chart here, Bitcoin will start to rise from the beginning of 2024.  And in 2023, the price of Bitcoin will remain in the tumbling state.

And there is enough time in 2023 to hold and it would be best to start holding from here in 2022 at the latest.  Because now is the perfect time to hold Bitcoin.

Ho ho Hold ✅✅✅..

That does not make any sense because 1st of all, bitcoin is not ON some kind of a set schedule in terms of price, even though there are halvenings coming up as you have referenced.

Secondly, why are you saying Hold?  Is there a need to make sure you have enough first?  What about buying and accumulating?  Are you assuming that someone already had accumulated?  When was this?  how much? And what are the other circumstances of such assumed person that you advising to Hold?

I became Independent Because of Cryptocurrency
I know this is just silly story but I want to tell you that my bitcoin journey is not fascinating but here I want to tell.
In 2017 I started Bitcoin trading and also got skeptical in crypto. I lost too much much money but I got resilient. Cause I know that their is a future for me in this.
After late 2019 beacsue I took admission in university and now I am  independent and I do not need Money from my parents and that's good for me. I started making Money from crypto. I am And that was joy for me. Now I am making 100 dollars plus form crypto. That is enough for me.


What's "crypto"?  Does it somehow relate to the topic of this thread?

Season's Greetings to all WOers!

We may be a little lower that many of us had predicted for this time of year ($17k vs. $100k+), but a true WOer knows that GTCTTWW.

Be well, love and be loved, enjoy yourselves, and... HoDL!
Can't remember what it means.

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I'm pretty sure it's an acronym for Gay-Themed Christmas Tradition Titillates Wall Watchers

 I'm sure if you thought about it a little longer though it would come to you... since it's a good thing and you will have waited for it to come to you.

Huh?  That should have been easy to recall.  Funny I could not remember it.  I need to go for a doctor (or psych) check-up.

Bitcoin has been stuck between $16,000-$17,000 for one week.

Please quote my post...
Good picture Smiley

It is true that the price of Bitcoin is stuck here for a long time, but the chances of an increase are very low.  Bitcoin price could fall further, experts say.  But we have no reason to despair.  Dumping will be for pumping...

Well if "experts" say that it is dumping it must be true.   Cry Cry Cry  Who would have thunk?

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I am not sure if 20 BTC is going to be enough to supplement the cashflow of any person, even though it seems that something like 100 BTC right now would be enough - yet of course, devil is in the details in regards to how much we need and when we need it..
~snip~
Anyway, of course, money management.. and of course no guarantees.. and surely by the time we start to get into our 50s or later, then it would seem that many of us shoudl have already created and maintained some investment portfolio that goes beyond merely having BTC and perhaps taking our other income sources, whether social security, pension, 401ks and/or other sources like that with a grain of salt... but still the various uncertain sources of income likely have greater than zero present value.. unless you really are assigning high values to Armagaeddon scenarios.
Having said all that I totally appreciate you, if everyone was as smart as you, think Bitcoin would already be a real currency in many countries. But although I'm not entirely sure, hope that Bitcoin will one day become a real currency like gold was a currency in the primitive days, I think it will be, even though we know that every currency is unstable. But the difference is that the area of change is a little more or less and it is also true that it is not right to judge Bitcoin by all kinds of differences.

Finally, it can be said that every person needs to have a deep understanding of Bitcoin like you(That is the Example of Knowledge), so that Bitcoin can become more prosperous in the world.

I don't know.

Bitcoin comes to people at the time that they become more receptive to it.  There's an expression (or is it a meme?) that reflects that same idea that you cannot really force adoption, people get bitcoin at the price they deserve. 

In that regard, bitcoin adoption seems to take a decently long time.  We see signs of considerable growth (such as increases in price) and we see corrections in the price, and of course, price is not the ONLY way to measure adoption.. even though I am not sure if there is a way to rush the adoption process. 

Bitcoin seems to be growing and it is expanding and people are becoming more and more aware of it and even starting to allocate more and more value to it, but even with bitcoin's growth, it still seems to take a decently long time to make progress with some random person that you might ask on the street if they know about bitcoin and if they own any.. and then if they do own some bitcoin, then is it any kind of meaningful allocation or just dust amounts...

 I have my doubts about whether there are very many ways to speed up adoption.. tick tock, another block, every 10 minutes.... even though now there are likely many more millions of people who are actively and meaningfully investing into bitcoin, and that number is likely higher than it was in late 2013 when I first got started in my bitcoin investment journey.. so it seems that each cycle (4 years or so), we have new people who are coming into bitcoin and becoming convicted about establishing (and maintaining) an investment allocation into bitcoin.
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Bitcoin Mining Companies Owe Over $4B, Core Scientific Owing the Most: Report


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sry couldn't find the article that I read anymore...

but here is an older one from summer:
https://fortune.com/2022/07/12/texas-bitcoin-miners-paid-shut-down-power-grid-electricity-blackout-heat/

Sorry, it’s behind a paywall.


For me it makes sense. Miners provide an important service to grid security by relinquishing some of their profits. I think that's worth a (partial) compensation.

Maybe, but I still wouldn’t trust any government hand outs. It sounds a lot like the lockdown mottos, “I’ll pay you to stay home and don’t travel”.
Another attack vector on Bitcoin perhaps? philipma can tell us if he knows anything more to it.



Adding to Antisthenes' list of privacy tools:

VeraCrypt — A free, open-source (any closed-source encryption tool should be considered as compromised) encryption software for Windows, Mac OSX and Linux.

Looks promising.
But here is the problem, although I’m a great fan of open-source and agree that closed-source should be treated as compromised, the truth is somewhere in between. Windows and Mac OS? Pfff. Choose your poison wisely.

BTW, the list goes on and on, from the best antivirus around - Comodo - to Malwarebytes and Deep Freeze.
Especially the later, was one of my favourite back in the days.

One last input about password managers. Having a single point of failure - does not bind well in my world.



It's about sending a message. Full boycott.

Aye.


Down with the bullshit agenda that Hollywoke is pushing.

Hey, it’s a matter of polyticks. Tongue

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Exactly!!!  That's what I had b trying to say.

How about you snowflakes, quote the most important part of that post?

~ because it deflects and distracts attention from the important stuff, empowering scammers.


Remember you are looking at shadows on the cave wall, try to find and then move closer to the entrance of the cave, then at least you will start to get closer to the light.   Also, it may be good if you can try to move close enough to the entrance in order that you are able to actually see outside.

How about you remember to: never quote me and never merit me for a change?
I’m aware that I have a very sweet dick, and for that very - understandable - reason, you are inclined to grab it, hold it, and suck it to the end of times, but ffs Jay, this debate will lead us nowhere.
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sry couldn't find the article that I read anymore...

but here is an older one from summer:
https://fortune.com/2022/07/12/texas-bitcoin-miners-paid-shut-down-power-grid-electricity-blackout-heat/

Sorry, it’s behind a paywall.

yeah whatevs.. maybe search for it yourself, if you are interested. Not going to spoonfeed you  Wink
At least you now got a hint that something is going on regarding miner shutdown compensation..


For me it makes sense. Miners provide an important service to grid security by relinquishing some of their profits. I think that's worth a (partial) compensation.

Maybe, but I still wouldn’t trust any government hand outs. It sounds a lot like the lockdown mottos, “I’ll pay you to stay home and don’t travel”.
Another attack vector on Bitcoin perhaps? philipma can tell us if he knows anything more to it.

BTC has various use cases. That includes using the BTC network as a balancing tool for the energy grid.
If the community (government) decides to pay you on top of the mining rewards, so they can have enough energy in emergency situations, why not.
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sry couldn't find the article that I read anymore...

but here is an older one from summer:
https://fortune.com/2022/07/12/texas-bitcoin-miners-paid-shut-down-power-grid-electricity-blackout-heat/

Sorry, it’s behind a paywall.

That's what 12ft.io is for.
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Season's Greetings to all WOers!

We may be a little lower that many of us had predicted for this time of year ($17k vs. $100k+), but a true WOer knows that GTCTTWW.

Be well, love and be loved, enjoy yourselves, and... HoDL!
Can't remember what it means.

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I'm pretty sure it's an acronym for Gay-Themed Christmas Tradition Titillates Wall Watchers

 I'm sure if you thought about it a little longer though it would come to you... since it's a good thing and you will have waited for it to come to you.

Huh?  That should have been easy to recall.  Funny I could not remember it.  I need to go for a doctor (or psych) check-up.

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 I wouldn't worry about not being able to expand an acronym, which you likely haven't seen more than a handful of times in your life, at first glance.   On the other hand, if you find yourself forgetting how to buy and hodl bitcoin, you should probably get yourself checked out.

NB I am not a doctor and this is not financial advice.
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