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2023 - 50 (23.5%)
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The "crypto" market's memory is exceedingly short.

His points #3 and #4 are precisely why the "crypto" market will have another bull run. Because VC greed never dies.

It'll be brand new companies just like FTX and BlockFi but with new names; wolves in sheep's clothing.

They will find loop holes around the "securities" issue.

Because scammers gonna scam, and n00bs are completely oblivious to crypto history.  Roll Eyes

We are 13 years into Bitcoin's birth, and the ONLY regulations inacted have been on poor Average Joe (i.e., KYC/AML, id and bank account required, taxes on buy, sell, and profit, etc.), NOT on the scammer exchanges and VCs.

agree. bitcoin has remained the same for the whole 13 years ie as per the white paper. its mt gox and FTX that have come and gone but more like them will come and go. also bitcoin has stayed away from all the nonsense about tokens etc. It has also not over promised "benefits' or "opportunities" the way other coins have. In short there is really two worlds - bitcoin and all the rest that collectively could be called crypto  - 95% which should be avoided like the plague. Sadly many people keep everything on exchanges when all you need is a wallet to protect from the greedy or incompetent exchanges. That allows exchanges to take down so many people when they crash.
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The "crypto" market's memory is exceedingly short.

His points #3 and #4 are precisely why the "crypto" market will have another bull run. Because VC greed never dies.

It'll be brand new companies just like FTX and BlockFi but with new names; wolves in sheep's clothing.

They will find loop holes around the "securities" issue.

Because scammers gonna scam, and n00bs are completely oblivious to crypto history.  Roll Eyes

We are 13 years into Bitcoin's birth, and the ONLY regulations inacted have been on poor Average Joe (i.e., KYC/AML, id and bank account required, taxes on buy, sell, and profit, etc.), NOT on the scammer exchanges and VCs.

In the old days I'd just put "QFT" here but with the new mangled system I'd just merit without a quote but I think the dude has you covered. Smiley
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Indeed a good read. A bit sad because I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed for not having bought Bitcoin instead. Well, live and learn.
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Indeed a good read. A bit sad because I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed for not having bought Bitcoin instead. Well, live and learn.

Some people just need to learn the hard way.
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Indeed a good read. A bit sad because I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed for not having bought Bitcoin instead. Well, live and learn.

Some people just need to learn the hard way.

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He is mostly right, although I don't believe that US-based VCs would not invest offshore IF SEC put screws on "crypto" in US.
It is very easy for them to spawn a subsidiary on some island and proceed from there.
BTW, Fidelity already opened up some beta site for retail investment in something they call "bitcoin", but, apparently, you cannot withdraw such 'bitcoin", lol.
Fake bitcoin would be the next "thing" among banks, me thinks.
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Christmas at 54.
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I'd do her but looks like the definition of high maintenance to me.
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He is mostly right, although I don't believe that US-based VCs would not invest offshore IF SEC put screws on "crypto" in US.
It is very easy for them to spawn a subsidiary on some island and proceed from there.
BTW, Fidelity already opened up some beta site for retail investment in something they call "bitcoin", but, apparently, you cannot withdraw such 'bitcoin", lol.
Fake bitcoin would be the next "thing" among banks, me thinks.

I read that twitter story by Mark Moss and I should apologize in advance if my questions are way too newbish...  I am very new to crypto

I invested in btc and some altcoins and I really believe that btc is the future. While this Mark's does make sense to me, I have had some questions though...

If SEC could be so tough to declare all crypto except btc as a security why they have not won that battle against XRP for such a long time?

Since SEC is a regulating authority, shouldn't it its decisions be approved by both senate and congress before going public which seems hard to me since they belong to two different parties now?

What about btc forks (I know most of them is a total crap) - how would SEC decide which of them is a security and which not?

On a larger scale - all real POW projects -  how to spot a security vs non-security. It just seems to me very time consuming job for SEC given that lengthy battle against XRP...

My personal take on this (I could be wrong of course) that just an announcement that SEC starts its review whether all crypto is a security will likely put entire crypto market into a lengthy bearish season...

Any insights would be appreciated....

PS I also anticipate a bunch of lawyers from large crypto projects suing SEC obviously they dont want to loose their money because of SEC
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He is mostly right, although I don't believe that US-based VCs would not invest offshore IF SEC put screws on "crypto" in US.
It is very easy for them to spawn a subsidiary on some island and proceed from there.
BTW, Fidelity already opened up some beta site for retail investment in something they call "bitcoin", but, apparently, you cannot withdraw such 'bitcoin", lol.
Fake bitcoin would be the next "thing" among banks, me thinks.

I read that twitter story by Mark Moss and I should apologize in advance if my questions are way too newbish...  I am very new to crypto

I invested in btc and some altcoins and I really believe that btc is the future. While this Mark's does make sense to me, I have had some questions though...

If SEC could be so tough to declare all crypto except btc as a security why they have not won that battle against XRP for such a long time?

Since SEC is a regulating authority, shouldn't it its decisions be approved by both senate and congress before going public which seems hard to me since they belong to two different parties now?

What about btc forks (I know most of them is a total crap) - how would SEC decide which of them is a security and which not?

On a larger scale - all real POW projects -  how to spot a security vs non-security. It just seems to me very time consuming job for SEC given that lengthy battle against XRP...

My personal take on this (I could be wrong of course) that just an announcement that SEC starts its review whether all crypto is a security will likely put entire crypto market into a lengthy bearish season...

Any insights would be appreciated....

PS I also anticipate a bunch of lawyers from large crypto projects suing SEC obviously they dont want to loose their money because of SEC
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If SEC could be so tough to declare all crypto except btc as a security why they have not won that battle against XRP for such a long time?

Because both parties are throwing 100 of mil (minimum) at each other. i don't really know the current score. If XRP to disappear, bitcoin would not be affected.

the question of forks is not relevant anymore due to their size or the lack of it.

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My personal take on this (I could be wrong of course) that just an announcement that SEC starts its review whether all crypto is a security will likely put entire crypto market into a lengthy bearish season...

Why is this? It's all Howey-test based idiocy anyway. The world DOES NOT care about security/not security...it's SEC who are obsessed over it due to, I guess, the desire to "regulate" everything.

If you are angling to predict when is the good time to invest (if ever), then you will never DO IT.
Your loss.
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He is mostly right, although I don't believe that US-based VCs would not invest offshore IF SEC put screws on "crypto" in US.
It is very easy for them to spawn a subsidiary on some island and proceed from there.
BTW, Fidelity already opened up some beta site for retail investment in something they call "bitcoin", but, apparently, you cannot withdraw such 'bitcoin", lol.
Fake bitcoin would be the next "thing" among banks, me thinks.

I read that twitter story by Mark Moss and I should apologize in advance if my questions are way too newbish...  I am very new to crypto

I invested in btc and some altcoins and I really believe that btc is the future. While this Mark's does make sense to me, I have had some questions though...

If SEC could be so tough to declare all crypto except btc as a security why they have not won that battle against XRP for such a long time?

Since SEC is a regulating authority, shouldn't it its decisions be approved by both senate and congress before going public which seems hard to me since they belong to two different parties now?

What about btc forks (I know most of them is a total crap) - how would SEC decide which of them is a security and which not?

On a larger scale - all real POW projects -  how to spot a security vs non-security. It just seems to me very time consuming job for SEC given that lengthy battle against XRP...

My personal take on this (I could be wrong of course) that just an announcement that SEC starts its review whether all crypto is a security will likely put entire crypto market into a lengthy bearish season...

Any insights would be appreciated....

PS I also anticipate a bunch of lawyers from large crypto projects suing SEC obviously they dont want to loose their money because of SEC
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If SEC could be so tough to declare all crypto except btc as a security why they have not won that battle against XRP for such a long time?

Because both parties are throwing 100 of mil (minimum) at each other. i don't really know the current score. If XRP to disappear, bitcoin would not be affected.

the question of forks is not relevant anymore due to their size or the lack of it.

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My personal take on this (I could be wrong of course) that just an announcement that SEC starts its review whether all crypto is a security will likely put entire crypto market into a lengthy bearish season...

Why is this? It's all Howey-test based idiocy anyway. The world DOES NOT care about security/not security...it's SEC who are obsessed over it due to, I guess, the desire to "regulate" everything.

If you are angling to predict when is the good time to invest (if ever), then you will never DO IT.
Your loss.


But the world does care about the US financials including SEC... and FED's hikes clearly show it... unfortunately...

I was not angling at a lower price for BTC and some altcoins, I am using a DCA strategy anyway. I personally think that now is a very good price to buy btc regardless of future SEC actions...

However, my concern that SEC actions can put all crypto including btc into a bearish chaos...

Does it make sense
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