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The last of us “serie”

But maaaaaaaaaaaaan that 3th episode fucked up a lot

In a good or bad way? Saw a clip and it seems to be now doing stuff not in the game? There was no plane crash site in the game or showing people murdered by army just so they wouldn't get infected. That was not hinted at really as far as I remember.

Haven't watched the series fully yet. Am addicted to the re - re - mastered game though, especially the bookstore level. So much fun taking the baddies out in many different ways. I actually prefer all the tribal stuff as opposed to dealing with the zombies. Think all the talking between the bad guys makes things very funny.

Can't imagine the series will follow the second game. What a mess that became with that big muscle Abbie character. awful carry on.

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Finally started to watch Stranger Things. Thought it was just a stupid JJ Abrams Super 8 rip off / extension.

But MAN... that series is sooo good! Certainly my favourite since Breaking Bad and Haunting of Hill House.

Goes the distance and shows what's in the mystery box as opposed to the likes of Lost, only ever hinting at things.

Great effects also.



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What about NFTs stored inside the Bitcoin blockchain? Ordinals is causing a huge stir but relative silence on the forum about it.

NFTs Coming to Bitcoin Sparks Handwringing About Crypto Purists

Nothing triggering about that headline at all  Cheesy

I don't blame anyone here if they're against it. I'm kind of on the fence about it personally. But it seems to be happening whether anybody likes it or not.

  • An NFT implementation which embeds NFT content in Taproot witnesses, assigning them to the first sat of the first output of the transaction, "inscribing" that sat with content

Super interesting to watch the discussion over this bullet point in particular unfolding on Twitter as it now appears to be possible to upload several KB (theoretically up to ~4 MB) worth of data to the blockchain for the purposes of on-chain NFT storage.

https://ordinals.com/inscription/69d500051f9a0812ed41798eeb06d4af93349529480c23e9cf1ef0ccb2a921a8i0

On one side you have lukedashjr calling it an attack on Bitcoin and Adam Back calling for transaction censorship by miners; on the other side you have Peter Todd calling the "freakout" about ordinals "stupid" and reminding everyone that adding non-standard transaction data to transactions has always been possible.

It has reinvigorated the age-old debate of "appropriate use of block space," what "blockchain spam" entails, and whether Bitcoin should be used to store data not related to the actual transaction of BTC (for financial purposes).

Here is a brief overview of how it works as far as NFTs are concerned:

https://read.pourteaux.xyz/p/illegitimate-bitcoin-transactions

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Almost zero mentions of this debate here, so let's mention it.

As much as I completely loathe NFTs and everything that surrounds that scam ecosystem, I don't see any problem if people want to store that related data in the Bitcoin blockchain. You still have to pay for it, after all.

Peter Todd is correct. That capability has always been there in the blockchain, and like honey badger it gives exactly zero fucks as to what people do with that data storage.

Isn't it a tiny amount of data storage anyway? And if the Bitcoin devs really see a potential problem/exploits with it down the road, I'm assuming that in a future release it can be either be reduced or eliminated?
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Finally started to watch Stranger Things. Thought it was just a stupid JJ Abrams Super 8 rip off / extension.

But MAN... that series is sooo good! Certainly my favourite since Breaking Bad and Haunting of Hill House.

Goes the distance and shows what's in the mystery box as opposed to the likes of Lost, only ever hinting at things.

Great effects also.

It is indeed one of the best shows on Netflix.

You should watch it all.

FYI season 3 is the weakest of them all and went a good bit campy (so don't get discouraged there).

Season 4, although a bit long, absolutely knocks it out of the park and returns to its roots like season 1 in darker tone/vibe all over again.

Seasons 1 and 4 were my favorite. If asked which I liked better, I'd be forced to flip a coin.
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We got a little bit of a correction over the weekend as we dipped below $23,000 but it doesn’t seem to be lasting. I would have preferred to see a little bigger correction to try and wipe out some leverage as we move up, but it shows the strength of the market currently. Too many people are buying right now for a proper correction. So far resistance is holding, but I’m not sure how long that will last.
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Off topic rant:

I have been selling on ebay for 20 years.

https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/philipma1957



New rules as of last year. over $600 in sales and you get this












I file taxes and have done so since 1974 my first Job I made 95 a week.

I even worked for the IRS for 2 years, my mom worked for the IRS 25 years ,my wife worked for the IRS 33 years.

But to create a 1099 for in my case <1800 in sales is simply a stupid overreach .  Think if you sell an old snow blower and an old lawn mower and just clear $600 limit for the 2 sales.

Another way for the government to crawl up your ass and do a full audit.

BTW I will be selling 1000's on ebay this year maybe 6 to 11k worth of shit.  Old rule was 20k much more reasonable.

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oh did feds release a number? 25 points or what.
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bitcoin derped here a bit..no matter.

Depends on your definition of "derped."

I don't understand... do we really need AI and ChatGPT to understand this basic concepts like inflation?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/10p3ejn/dollar_dollar_bills_yall/
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Billy means I recommend investing.  Because if his promotion money is invested in Bitcoin then surely Billy will do well later in life.

I think Billy currently owns 44 Bitcoins  Roll Eyes

Just imagine if Billy (this isn't Billy no coiner, is it?) had saved his $1 million under his mattress from 1965 until 2013, and then he saw the BTC prices rising from $10 to $1k in 2013 - and then in 2013 he did a back of the napkin calculation and he realized that his $1 million that he had stuffed under his mattress was ONLY worth about $200k (in 1965 dollars)... and also he realized that his having had kept his bitcoin under the mattress for 38 years was not really helping him in terms of his attempt at delayed gratification... and in 2013 dollars, his $1million from 1965 would have been worth about $5million in 1965 (in 2013 values).. so he needs $5 million to equal the same $1 million from 1965.  

His choice to keep his money under his mattress was not working out very much for him.. it was like a melting icecube (to steal from Michael Saylor's description).

Therefore, Billy decided to put his $1 million to work.. instead of just holding those dollars under his mattress.

At the end of 2013, Billy no coiner decided to become a coiner and he decided to invest $200k (20%) into bitcoin, so he bought about 200 BTC at $1k each. which was close to the then top of the BTC prices of that time period, (but how would Billy know that it was near the top?  Except that the BTC price had gone up 100x in a year.).  He also decided to invest the remaining $800k (80%) into various stock index funds instead of keeping it in cash.  Funny that it took Billy around 38 years to figure this out, but don't fight the hypothetical... !!!   Angry Angry Angry

What would be Billy's approximate investment result be in 2023 if he had placed 20% in bitcoin towards to the top of the 2013 BTC price run and 80% into various stock index funds at around that same time?  If we were to be generous and we consider that his various stock index funds might have performed in such a way to double** in value in 9 years, so that those stock index funds were nominally worth $1.6 million in 2023 (but still probably not really increased in purchasing power since the cost of everything had at least doubled from 2013 to 2023), but if we consider our current BTC price of $23k-ish, Billy's 200 BTC would be worth right around $4.6 million (right around the amount that Luke Dasher lost a few weeks ago)... So even though Billy bought only 200 BTC at the top of the 2013 prices, he still seems to be doing pretty good with his BTC purchasing power as compared to the purchasing power of the other $800k that he invested into various stock index funds, no?

In essence, Billy had decided to invest 4x more into index stocks as compared to what he invested into BTC, but even with that, the actual nominal value of his BTC holdings is currently worth about 3x more than what he had put into index stocks, which I would measure to be at least 12x better performance at current prices... Sure there are various ways to make the measurements, and the way that I hypothesized Billy's circumstances were a bit of a pure example, but the example that I gave is largely representative of what has happened in BTC price performance relative to the overall stock market, even if we start measuring from the top of the BTC price in late 2013... and surely, with my choosing the top of the 2013 BTC price I am giving a headstart to the status quo financial system.. so there are quite a few scenarios in which Billy could have lowered his purchasing price of his BTC in late 2013 and to likely have had gotten an average price per BTC that was quite lower than $1k per BTC, but it does not hurt to hypothesize that Billy had screwed up in a variety of ways and was not able to keep his average cost per BTC below $1k per BTC (makes it easier to calculate, too).

**By the way, I believe that most average investors would be hard-pressed to find that there various stock investments are currently double in nominal value from late 2013.. and maybe they are going to have numbers that are more in the ballpark of 70% - however, we can still give some benefit of the doubt to suggest that Billy might have been able to overall outperform the market by choosing "smart" stock index funds.
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I think I’m 5.

Let me guess JJG’s position? Is it 8 lol or 6.

El Dude 7

H-TEC99 and ivomm definitely 3

Many on stage 2 … I guess… BitcoinBunny, LFC_Bitcoin, cygan

BobLawblaw  8

AlcoHoDL 6 confirm

I’m sure no one from WO is on stage 4

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Isn't it a tiny amount of data storage anyway? And if the Bitcoin devs really see a potential problem/exploits with it down the road, I'm assuming that in a future release it can be either be reduced or eliminated?

With Omni (what Tether uses/used) and Counterparty (what Rare Pepes use) the data storage is relatively tiny as just a few bytes of non-standard data are being added to a regular tx. The difference with Ordinals is up to an entire block can be consumed by one data file, so the theoretical limit is close to 4 MB. However, whoever is sending the tx would have to pay an enormous fee for it to get picked up by miners.

Because Ordinals txs use Segwit and Taproot, a lot of this extra data can be pruned by nodes so it doesn't necessarily get added to the blockchain permanently. However, there could be some changes made to Core in a future release if this thing really takes off and it becomes a "problem" in terms of blockchain bloat.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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  • An NFT implementation which embeds NFT content in Taproot witnesses, assigning them to the first sat of the first output of the transaction, "inscribing" that sat with content
Super interesting to watch the discussion over this bullet point in particular unfolding on Twitter as it now appears to be possible to upload several KB (theoretically up to ~4 MB) worth of data to the blockchain for the purposes of on-chain NFT storage.
https://ordinals.com/inscription/69d500051f9a0812ed41798eeb06d4af93349529480c23e9cf1ef0ccb2a921a8i0
On one side you have lukedashjr calling it an attack on Bitcoin and Adam Back calling for transaction censorship by miners; on the other side you have Peter Todd calling the "freakout" about ordinals "stupid" and reminding everyone that adding non-standard transaction data to transactions has always been possible.

It has reinvigorated the age-old debate of "appropriate use of block space," what "blockchain spam" entails, and whether Bitcoin should be used to store data not related to the actual transaction of BTC (for financial purposes).

Here is a brief overview of how it works as far as NFTs are concerned:
https://read.pourteaux.xyz/p/illegitimate-bitcoin-transactions
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Almost zero mentions of this debate here, so let's mention it.

On the surface, I am not against various ways that people might choose to build upon BTC because if some of the latest changes in the bitcoin code (such as taproot) have allowed programing BTC smart contracts in such a direction, then so be it.. do whatever the fuck you like.

Now, if there is some kind of security threat to bitcoin that comes from ways that the BTC code had been changed and seems to be being exploited, and the BTC code needs to be changed to disallow such practices, then there could a push to try to change the code and to get sufficient consensus to reverse what had previously been allowed in the code.. which does not seem too likely, unless there is something that can be shown to be a security issue... or something that jeopardizes the survivability and durability of the whole project.

I guess Hissleyness largely said a similar thing.. do what you like, as long as you can afford to keep doing it, which does raise a bit of a question regarding when entities sometimes will take advantage of public networks by attempting to privatize the gains and cause the public to have to bear the costs, but I am still not sure if Bitcoin gives any shits about this.... .. and if there might be attempts to price regular folks (normies) out of the market, but at some point, won't the attacker (or the one trying to socialize costs and privatize benefits) end up running out of money?.. that might be the angle upon which to consider if the "attack" is sustainable in such a way that the code needs to be changed because the code is being undermined in order to potentially cause the death of bitcoin... I doubt that I know enough to consider that the current "attack" is one that could reach such levels to threaten the "death of bitcoin."

oh did feds release a number? 25 points or what.

The announcement about the rate change (if any) is not supposed to take place until tomorrow (Feb 1) at 2:30pm Eastern time (so we are still about 25.5 hours away from that scheduled announcement, as I type this post).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmoore/2023/01/30/what-to-look-for-in-the-feds-february-interest-rate-announcement/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Federal%20Reserve%20(Fed,1%20at%202.30pm%20ET.
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I think I’m 5.

Let me guess JJG’s position? Is it 8 lol or 6.

El Dude 7

H-TEC99 and ivomm definitely 3

Many on stage 2 … I guess… BitcoinBunny, LFC_Bitcoin, cygan

BobLawblaw  8

AlcoHoDL 6 confirm

I’m sure no one from WO is on stage 4

I didn’t understand 9?


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Sorry, you got that wrong. I'm not a day trader.

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I think I’m 5.

Let me guess JJG’s position? Is it 8 lol or 6.

I am not going to confirm nor deny, unless you can tell me what more than 0.63 BTC means under these scenarios?  You would need to know other things about me right?  Have I given enough details?  It's not necessarily easy to have a lot of confidence in the location of others, but surely there could be some things that they say that give you some better ideas regarding where they might be at in real life, but then there are also some that "appear to be" or cause you to speculate that they might be in a certain status, but really, it is not clear about if they actually are in the status that they are either presenting themselves to be or maybe they are just spending their principle rather than "living off of the gainz bro."

Another interesting aspect may well be how well various other cashflow sources are preserved, and surely there could be ways that some guys might be generating cashflows in part because they are young and full of a quite a bit of energy and therefore, they like keeping themselves "busy," so some forms of cashflow are "a lot of work," and other forms of cashflow do not cause a lot of work.  Sometimes also, any of us, could get into a situation in which we are considering having some "work done," and then we consider whether it is better to just do it ourselves or whether to hire someone else to do a "half-assed" job... so part of the point is that life circumstances sometimes could cause someone to appear to be in one status or another, and it might not be clear the extent to which they are forced into working or if they might want to do some kinds of work for various reasons.. so then is that "reaching fuck you status" or not?

El Dude 7

H-TEC99 and ivomm definitely 3

Many on stage 2 … I guess… BitcoinBunny, LFC_Bitcoin, cygan

BobLawblaw  8

AlcoHoDL 6 confirm

I am pretty sure that some of your number assignments for these folks is not correct (just like HI-TEC99 confirmed), but hey, I am not going to so directly make my assessments.. even if I have some ideas in my head and from time to time, I might purposefully pigeon-hole what are my opinions regarding where a certain member might or might not be from my perspective of their consideration of life-style trade-offs.. or the extent to which they might be seeming to lose their shit in regards to bitcoin accumulation, maintenance or other considerations, such as liquidation projections.  Some guys provide more details than others, and does it really matter to pinpoint them?.. sometimes they do deserve a bit of "pinpointing" just to attempt to rebutt some arguments that they might be making in regards to how my lil precious "should be" treated.

Good luck when you sold BTC and then you expected to buy back lower than current prices.... hahahahahaha  No need to name anyone.. you know who you are.. and you know your own circumstances.. .and I am not even suggesting that you did anything wrong.. even if it appears that I am gloating that it is possible that there are some folks who are still "expecting" to buy back at BTC prices that are lower than our current price.. it's an ongoing phenomena in which some guys/and gal "expect to" buy back lower.

I’m sure no one from WO is on stage 4

Oh?  My opinion is different.  Even though we have guys and gal in the WO who are likely overall more informed about bitcoin than the regular person on the street and also more informed about bitcoin than the average forum user, for sure, we also have WO members who fit within every single category of person that is in the population, including those who are misinformed and including those who are continuously bordering upon having weak hands.  

Anyone of us could mindrust, but we might not admit it.. .I still am not sure why mindrust is so mad at us, and he did say that he would not be coming back to the WO thread... but still.. we are not as mean as he seems to be making us out to be (through his ongoing and seemingly intentional refusal to post in these here parts... pride can be a powerful thing... and I am not even proclaiming to be above such weaknesses).

I didn’t understand 9?

That's Jimbo.  Can't you see him inside the avatar?  duh.    get off my lawn

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This reminded me of below meme I saw long back…

“We will never know who invented fire”

“We will never know who invented Bitcoin”

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