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[nutildah]

but it will still need a front end application that can decode and display that content.

Exactly. Not really a big deal. It will be something people need to explicitly seek out in order to see, not something one can just stumble across. As it always has been.

[Gachapin]

What I don't understand: some are saying higher fees due to ordinals could mean increase of USD/BTC.  But wouldn't miners be able to sell BTC for cheaper prices than usual, when they made more revenue off fees?


higher fees might speed up a fee-based mining model though that would eventually be needed, when block rewards get too low, due to the halvings ...however that's still long time ahead...

[Paashaas]

A massive Chinese surveillance balloon spotted hovering over Montana, U.S.

[ChartBuddy]

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[jojo69]

A massive Chinese surveillance balloon spotted hovering over Montana, U.S.

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[ivomm]

So far 24K being rejected multiple times doesn't hurt much. BTC has plenty of time this year and the first half of 2024 to climb two more floors and stabilize around them - 30K-ish and 40K-ish.  For those who doesn't get my thought - by stabilizing I mean the median price yearly speaking. This means that for a short time the price can climb up much more but then it will drop back and stay there for a longer period. So, the year high could be 50K+ but the median price around 30K. This is what is important for the next bull market, not the spikes. I really hope this will happen, but there is still a possibility of returning to sub 20K prices if the resistance 24K holds for too long. Historically, however, any price resistance far below a round number has never been a psychological barrier, so 24K shouldn't be a problem.

[AlcoHoDL]

I've had some time to sleep and think on this, now, and the more I think about it, I'm just left terrified about the implications this ordinal stuff has for Bitcoin.

I see it as a very real existential threat.

I sincerely hope I am dead wrong.

I'm not an expert when it comes to this new Ordinal thing and how it is implemented, but the possibility of "polluting" the Blockchain with bad data got me seriously worried. The issue here is not so much that it is possible for someone to insert child pornography and/or top-secret defense documents in the Blockchain (which in itself is unsettling), but the fact that the Blockchain is immutable and thus cannot be altered, and this is by design. So, this offensive/sensitive data will have to be there forever, and this could provide a strong reason for TPTB to attack/ban Bitcoin "for the common good".

I assume that, if this ever becomes a problem, it should be possible to handle via a fork, with the new code base removing this feature and also somehow removing all offensive/sensitive content. Said fork will have near-full consensus, so it will become the new, sanitized Bitcoin. The Bitcoin ecosystem should be able to handle this. Another battle, another win for Bitcoin.

Still, all this mess upsets and worries me. Hopefully, Bitcoin will come out of this stronger than ever, as it has done so many times.

[ChartBuddy]

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[somac.]

I've had some time to sleep and think on this, now, and the more I think about it, I'm just left terrified about the implications this ordinal stuff has for Bitcoin.

I see it as a very real existential threat.

I sincerely hope I am dead wrong.

I'm not an expert when it comes to this new Ordinal thing and how it is implemented, but the possibility of "polluting" the Blockchain with bad data got me seriously worried. The issue here is not so much that it is possible for someone to insert child pornography and/or top-secret defense documents in the Blockchain (which in itself is unsettling), but the fact that the Blockchain is immutable and thus cannot be altered, and this is by design. So, this offensive/sensitive data will have to be there forever, and this could provide a strong reason for TPTB to attack/ban Bitcoin "for the common good".

I assume that, if this ever becomes a problem, it should be possible to handle via a fork, with the new code base removing this feature and also somehow removing all offensive/sensitive content. Said fork will have near-full consensus, so it will become the new, sanitized Bitcoin. The Bitcoin ecosystem should be able to handle this. Another battle, another win for Bitcoin.

Still, all this mess upsets and worries me. Hopefully, Bitcoin will come out of this stronger than ever, as it has done so many times.

I've read nothing about this so I'm probably just going to sound stupid but has this been done on other chains? ETH for example?

What I'm getting at is why hasn't it happened yet and being that the chain is an openbook and there are chainanalysis companies that claim they can find anyone. Wouldn't uploading something so illegal mean the uploader will be found and arrested pretty quick? This in itself would be a deterrence to even attempt it.

What about miners, would they ignore these transactions?

[HI-TEC99]

I've had some time to sleep and think on this, now, and the more I think about it, I'm just left terrified about the implications this ordinal stuff has for Bitcoin.

I see it as a very real existential threat.

I sincerely hope I am dead wrong.

I'm not an expert when it comes to this new Ordinal thing and how it is implemented, but the possibility of "polluting" the Blockchain with bad data got me seriously worried. The issue here is not so much that it is possible for someone to insert child pornography and/or top-secret defense documents in the Blockchain (which in itself is unsettling), but the fact that the Blockchain is immutable and thus cannot be altered, and this is by design. So, this offensive/sensitive data will have to be there forever, and this could provide a strong reason for TPTB to attack/ban Bitcoin "for the common good".

I assume that, if this ever becomes a problem, it should be possible to handle via a fork, with the new code base removing this feature and also somehow removing all offensive/sensitive content. Said fork will have near-full consensus, so it will become the new, sanitized Bitcoin. The Bitcoin ecosystem should be able to handle this. Another battle, another win for Bitcoin.

Still, all this mess upsets and worries me. Hopefully, Bitcoin will come out of this stronger than ever, as it has done so many times.

I've read nothing about this so I'm probably just going to sound stupid but has this been done on other chains? ETH for example?

What I'm getting at is why hasn't it happened yet...

It has. This is from 2016.

https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptograffiti-images-blockchain/

Cryptograffiti.info is a web service that allows people to encode hidden messages into Bitcoin’s blockchain using a special online interface. It has recently added a new and possibly revolutionary functionality — JPG image writing to the blockchain.

How Does CryptoGraffiti Work?

A visitor can type their message into the text field, pay some bitcoin, and after 1-10 minutes see the message decoded from the blockchain and displayed on the CryptoGraffiti site, along with other messages from the anonymous Bitcoiners.

Untill June 17, 2016, users were only able to send text messages to the blockchain. But now it is possible to have JPG images written to the blockchain alongside text messages.

The images can be up to 50KB in size. And, once the process of publishing to the blockchain is complete, no one on the planet is able to censor, delete or rewrite the information entered by users — it is saved in the blocks forever.

Since it’s the first service in the Bitcoin ecosystem that implements automated image writing to the blockchain, Bitcoin.com reached out to CryptoGraffiti’s creator, Erich Erstu (nickname Hyena), to ask him a few questions about his vision of the task and its possible outcomes for the Bitcoin community.

https://cryptograffiti.info/

Here's its thread. Hyena (the OP) hasn't logged in here since 2021, but his site's still online.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524877.0

He switched to using BSV, so he won't be writing any more images to Bitcoin's blockchain.

i have found out that bitcoin forked and cryptograffiti uses "bitcoin cash" which seem less popular than "bitcoin". how many miners bitcoin cash has? how much reliable is this? are messages saved there are now going to be provable to be indeed not changed by 51% attack?

Actually CryptoGraffiti.info now features only the Original BitCoin (BSV)...

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[BitcoinBunny]

A massive Chinese surveillance balloon spotted hovering over Montana, U.S.

[somac.]

He switched to using BSV, so he won't be writing any more images to Bitcoin's blockchain.

i have found out that bitcoin forked and cryptograffiti uses "bitcoin cash" which seem less popular than "bitcoin". how many miners bitcoin cash has? how much reliable is this? are messages saved there are now going to be provable to be indeed not changed by 51% attack?

Actually CryptoGraffiti.info now features only the Original BitCoin (BSV)...

Haha, what a retard.

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[montaga]

A massive Chinese surveillance balloon spotted hovering over Montana, U.S.

Thanks for the entertainment. So another space junk been added to the thousands and thousand already floating about.
So air deference has degraded to the point that a cheap balloon traveling a wind speed can travel all the way to Montana.
https://youtu.be/Q2xpQFEcumE

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[BitcoinBunny]

A massive Chinese surveillance balloon spotted hovering over Montana, U.S.

Thanks for the entertainment. So another space junk been added to the thousands and thousand already floating about.
So air deference has degraded to the point that a cheap balloon traveling a wind speed can travel all the way to Montana.
https://youtu.be/Q2xpQFEcumE

If it's a balloon it's clearly not going to reach space junk orbital heights.

[psycodad]

For those of you who feed to ADSBExchange:



https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/109750762823662070

I am still feeding r/n but will stop doing so shortly.

Apparently its not noteworthy enough to make it to the announcements. :rolleyes:

https://www.adsbexchange.com/forum/forums/adsbx-announcements.12/

SoylentADSB
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Today at 11:34 AM

Removal / disabling the services:

sudo bash /usr/local/share/adsbexchange/uninstall.sh


If the above doesn't work, you may be using an old version that didn't have the uninstall script, just disable the services and the scripts won't run anymore:

sudo systemctl disable --now adsbexchange-feed
sudo systemctl disable --now adsbexchange-mlat

Following up on this:
Jack Sweeney (the elonjet guy) is up to something:

https://theairtraffic.com/

Switching my station was as easy as:

Code:

sed -i s/adsbexchange.com/theairtraffic.com/g /etc/default/adsbexchange
systemctl restart adsbexchange-feed
systemctl restart adsbexchange-mlat

Will be interesting to see how valuable that 20m site is to JetNet without enough feeders..