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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
$120K - 19 (17.6%)
$130K - 17 (15.7%)
$140K - 9 (8.3%)
$150K - 19 (17.6%)
$160K - 2 (1.9%)
$170K+ - 33 (30.6%)
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DID YOU KNOW: Shell, the world’s second largest Oil and Gas company is sponsoring the 2023 #Bitcoin    Conference‼️

… $BTC clearly has a LOT to offer the energy sector



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February 07, 2023, 05:40:14 PM

@jjg...dude, it was all in my original post.
You were referring to 2014 to now and my simple answer is this:

you are talking about investing (dcaing) $47K (nine years) during that period to accumulate 45 btc.
I did not invest anything close to that particular number, but if I take my investments (unevenly spread from 2014-2023) as X and calculate from there, then, in proportion, I got 113-14 BTC accumulated (surely, the actual number is completely different because 47K is a random number as well).
113 is a much bigger number than 45, is it not?
I don't profess an investment acumen, mostly it is due to bulk purchase earlier than later.
People who bristle at mining have no clue about bitcoin. Bitcoin's heart is block validation via mining. Anything else, and it is NOT the same.

You still seem to be fighting the hypothetical... yet you are implying that whatever you did outperformed regular DCA by 150%... and if you are saying that you spent even less dollars, but you still accumulated 150% more BTC?  I am having difficulties believing that.. or how it might be applied to normies to be able to accomplish the same (a replicable model).

I think the point Biodom is making is that this isn't applicable to most normies. That's why it's generally not recommended to trade Bitocin. But the idea of a "normie" getting 150% more Bitcoin without DCA is totally believable, whether it be with bulk buying much earlier around 2014 (and not selling) or otherwise a few bulk buys/sells near the highs and the lows, whether it be by skill or luck, or a simple strategy. One example that doesn't take much thought process (or effort), even if a relative amount of stress, would be respecting the 4-year cycle of Bitcoin. It's not something I believe will work forever, but if you had followed this until now you'd have considerably more BTC over the past 8 or so years than DCA. Eventually you'll probably lose some coin over it, but likely it'll also only be excess profit to the satoshis you already made.

For example selling end of 2013 at $740, buying back beginning of 2015 at $319. That would have increased your stash by 131%. But also it's fair to assume that the 4-year cycle theory wasn't really established then first time around, so instead look at 2018 when it was more respected (tried and tested) as well as looking likely to occur. That would have been a sell at $13.9K (end of 2017) and a buy at $3.7K (beginning of 2019) --- that alone is an increase of 275%. Even the most recent cycle with selling at the end of 2021 at $46.6K and buying back beginning of 2023 at $16.5K would have increased your Bicoin holding by 182%. So with the past two cycles combined, ie since 2014, that would be a cumulative increase of 500%. I'm sure very few achieved this, but I don't doubt that some normies did if they worshiped the 4-year cycle.

Then you get down to when this cycle inevitably breaks, because over time it becomes less reliable. You could lose 50 % of your BTC and still be up 250%. Or even lose 75% and still be up 125%. Either scenario, even one that is a lucky break-even, then clearly you should call it quits. But until a winning strategy fails, there isn't much reason to abandon it. I'm sure there are other relatively simple strategies too that normies have used to increase satoshis (golden crosses & death crosses comes to mind investor wise), this is simply the one that comes to mind as probably the most reliable. Neither trying to sell tops or bottoms, but simply timing the market with time - not price. Like it or lump it, but you don't need to be a hedge fund or trading bot to outperform the market, even if it's generally advised (for good reason) not to do so.

The final reason a normie might not want to DCA per week, or even per month, could be simply based on the effort of transferring funds to an exchange, withdrawing to wallet, maintaining a portfollio/spreadhseet of all buys and sells in order to track progress. Over all, it's a lot of work. Whereas selling and buying only once each per 4 years actually sounds like a lot less effort! Whether it works better or not...
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February 07, 2023, 05:58:35 PM

Since chartbuddy is being a lazy punk, I would like to tell everyone that Bitcoin is currently pumping. Might be the new green candle of the month.
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Since chartbuddy is being a lazy punk, I would like to tell everyone that Bitcoin is currently pumping. Might be the new green candle of the month.

Candle back to green was/is above $23,127. Can also confirm there is a relevant amount of pumpiture right now. Not convinced the bear trap is over quite yet though tbh.
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El_Duderino (last page)

Yeah, I remember my first year or two in BTC, I am happy I stayed in it, the patience led me to nice rewards.  Patience and restraint (to NOT get into s**tcoins) look to be a great bet going forward.  And, carefully hidden BTC are a nice way to get some assets off the grid.  Important IMO.  Grasping governments are only going to double-down on stupid (see remarks just below).


BitcoinBunny (just above)

The UK wants a CBDC, yet does not want anyone to save it?  Uh-huh, they really DO care for the people, bwaaaha...  Nice list of why some areas (with more economic freedoms) are doing so much better than others.  For anyone with a brain, it should be more than obvious now that big and nosy .gov's are the problem, such governments solve nothing and bring more misery into their nations.  Our own "Joe Biden" was just today labeled "The Most Progressive President" we've ever had.

I spent a few days in Dubai about 5 years ago.  Fascinating place.  I doubt that I would choose to live there, but the freedom to do what you want (as long as you respect their culture and keep your yap shut about their .gov) was impressive.  

Dubai (at their big mall near the Burj) has one of the biggest & best bookstores I've ever been to, and I've been to a lot of bookstores.  That's where I found my copy of The Bitcoin Standard.
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Now that Jay Powell has made his latest remarks (and pumped various markets some, inc. BTC) I thought I would mention a couple of sites I often visit when I want to factor in other data (beyond my BTC research):

https://finviz.com/futures.ashx   <--- a handy dashboard/heat map that looks at 48 indicators (inc. precious metals, energy, stocks, currencies, grains)

https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/  <--- I look at the yield curve often, finviz above does not display Treasury interest rates

Note at the latter how inverted the yield curve is, the 1 year rate is more than 1% higher than the 10 year.  Oh.  Hmm.  (That looks good... /s)
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February 07, 2023, 06:29:31 PM

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Now that Jay Powell has made his latest remarks (and pumped various markets some, inc. BTC)

The market response to his comments was huge.  Volume spiked to the highest we've had in a while and underscored the bullishness in this market currently.  It seems like investors reacted positively across the board as stocks also saw a massive jump on high volume.  I worry a little bit that the recent jobs report has misled the Fed, or maybe it was manipulated so that they don't look so incompetent if we do go into a recession, as they can blame the data.  As someone who was watching markets closely as all of this played out in 2007, I would say to keep your finger close to the sell button (on your stocks) should things quickly get worse and the word default starts getting thrown around more.
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February 07, 2023, 06:34:48 PM

Am I looking at a different chart or something? After +1.6% within 30 minutes Bitcoin reversed that to -2% within another 30 minutes. The up and down looks like more noise and liquidation hunting, not much else.

4hr currently looks like major rejection on ltf, though could easily end up back around $23K in next 90 minutes - back to where we were all along. Yawn. If in doubt zoom out...
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what if 25k is the new 10k, and 23k is the new vegeta   Grin I doubt it...
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Now that Jay Powell has made his latest remarks (and pumped various markets some, inc. BTC)

The market response to his comments was huge. 


What happened did he curse in the end?
Or said gotcha you $&@%#*!!!

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