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and fuck you twice over buddy.
either 35k or 19k just stop the sideways.
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And you want to buy their Bitcoin ETF!.... Think again! #NYKNYB

Dude...nobody here will ever buy a spot ETF but millions of investors would love using it without having to worry about self custody or figuring out how to use an exchange. That's the whole meaning of it about spot ETF's.
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Bitcoin miners need BTC price over $98K by the halving — Analysis

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That's a poor choice of words... click bait?  Do we take such a proclamation seriously?

"need" bitcoin price over $98k by halvening..  

If we can even take that kind of a representation as true, then it sounds like some folks might still be overly-leveraged.. maybe they will get lucky with their structuring of their "needs"?  

yet, it seems to me that no one should be running a business (whether bitcoin related or not) and ONLY preparing their lil selfies for one price direction, that may or may not happen..

and $98k by halvening seems like a minority scenario.. perhaps 30%-ish odds for that kind of an outcome, at best....
Miners need 60k not 98k and they won’t need 60k till about 1 month past the ½ ing.

I could make do with 45k at the ½ and a lot of miners can do the same.

Ok.. fair enough.  Those are decently good numbers to work with in order to attempt to flesh out considerations related to these kinds of points.

Like you seem to be suggesting, there are some miners who are way more prepared to weather a variety of scenarios, even relatively negative scenarios.

Sure, the halvening is not taking place until about mid-to-late April so right around 8.5 months from now, and so let's say hypothetically that BTC prices end up playing out relatively stagnantly in such a way that lasts for more than a year after the halvening, and even so stagnant that 30-40% of the miners end up bailing out.. so some of them go completely out of business, and others scale down their operations or take some other measures to preserve themselves and/or their abilities to continue to mine bitcoin.  

The difficulty adjustments may end up either staying flat and/or going down too.. so there's a moving target in regards to what is the bottom line BTC price that any of the miners are able to survive through - including how much hashrate is going online and what the other miners are doing.  

I am not going to claim to know the answers for sure because the whole matter adjusts up and down as we go, and some of the miners are speculating (including leveraging and over-leveraging themselves more than others), and some of the miners may have some fortunes in regards to either already setting themselves up with less expensive energy costs, or maybe they end up having some strokes of luck in terms of their abilities to set up low cost energy or to secure equipment and/or energy cheaply (or even setting up their businesses with lower labor costs relatively speaking).

So even the numbers that you are projecting out now Phil (at this here snap-shot point in time) may well be relatively accurate in terms of today's snapshot of what is expected, but just like many things in the world (including some systems that resemble quite a few free-market components) what ends up happening, might considerably change the variables - while at the same time, many businessmen, including you, seem to recognize that even if you attempt to prepare for a variety of scenarios, you likely put more preparations into the more likely (and the base-case) scenarios rather than the more extreme scenarios, and some miners end up being more correct than others in terms of how they view the likely scenarios or how they view their own actions to be good preparations for the scenarios that end up coming to fruition.


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and fuck you twice over buddy.
either 35k or 19k just stop the sideways.

I am still asserting that I am considering the "don't wake me up range" to be between $25k and $35k, so there should not be any reason to get upset, when the seemingly "boring things" BTC price actions are taking place.

Aren't there so many forum members who proclaim that they love the idea of "stable" bitcoin prices, and they project such "stable" BTC prices going forward as if BTC "stable" prices were an actual thing that exists in the real world (the real world of wealth transfer battles) even though some of us (including yours truly) deny that stable bitcoin prices really exist, even if we seem to frequently get these kinds of phases in BTC price dynamics in which the BTC prices do not seem to be moving as much as some of us (not sure if I will include myself in this part) would prefer king daddy valuations  to move.


In udder wurdz:


We gots our lil selfies some stable BTC prices!!!!!!!!




Great!!!!!  No?






Welcome to the illusion.  right?




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The Truth Behind ETF!

I have been researching and looking into Blackrock and ETF. I have never been a big fan of ETF and what i have just discovered has just further confirmed my dislike of ETF's!

Did you know, buying into an ETF, you DO NOT own the underlying assets! That's right, the Fund Manager has all the rights to the underlying assets... including and what i think, is the most important point, they have the voting rights, not you!

and don't get me started on  "synthetic replication" or "swap-based replication".... not to mention $10T under management is fucking scary!

Between BlackRock/Vanguard and StateStreet, they are the largest shareholders in 88% of S&P500 Companies.

And you want to buy their Bitcoin ETF!.... Think again! #NYKNYB
Basically ETF is looking like a way the big capital plan to enter into Bitcoin...it is purely business for them and have nothing to do with how Bitcoin and the supporting technology will gain wider application and acceptance.

Bitcoin 4th halving coming within 256 days. Bitcoin all time high (ATH) 69k would be recycled after more than 1000+ days later.


This is a good data you provided. The drawdown is really huge but obviously reducing as we progress. With the awareness that Bitcoin enjoy now, there is every tendency that we will not see such huge drawdown upon the next halving.


#Bitcoin Ascending Triangle is about to breakout!🔥👇



https://twitter.com/rovercrc/status/1687770924076920833
Go... Go... Go... BTCbreakout!🔥


How could anyone know that?  including, but not limited to, uie-pooie?

Actually, no one can know for a certainty; just that by technical analysis tools that is based on history, a scenario like we have in the chart signifies that a breakout is most likely happening. It can be to the down first to seek liquidity before reversing to the upside. 
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And you want to buy their Bitcoin ETF!.... Think again! #NYKNYB

Dude...nobody here will ever buy a spot ETF but millions of investors would love using it without having to worry about self custody or figuring out how to use an exchange. That's the whole meaning of it about spot ETF's.

Don't forget there are a lot of investors that cannot buy Bitcoin because of restrictive investment mandates, for example, which instead could buy an ETF. This is unlocking a significant investment mass to Bitcoin.
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And you want to buy their Bitcoin ETF!.... Think again! #NYKNYB

Dude...nobody here will ever buy a spot ETF but millions of investors would love using it without having to worry about self custody or figuring out how to use an exchange. That's the whole meaning of it about spot ETF's.

Don't forget there are a lot of investors that cannot buy Bitcoin because of restrictive investment mandates, for example, which instead could buy an ETF. This is unlocking a significant investment mass to Bitcoin.


I think India 🇮🇳 would be in that club.
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buddy why 29k why no 30k or better yet take the night off.
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buddy why 29k why no 30k or better yet take the night off.
The coming years will bring a bullrun for Bitcoin.The entire year 2023 will be in bitcoin pre bullran condition. Bitcoin will probably go to bullrun conditions from 2024 onwards.


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The other side of this table now....

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Nice. Beyond the swiping, I can only imagine the sheer depth and intelligence level of the conversations.


Of course, no need to state the obvious.   Wink

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Oh the irony

Yes!!!!!!!!



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buddy why 29k why no 30k or better yet take the night off.




Buddy, I want the Bitcoin market to improve by waiting for the bull market of 2024.
Maybe, this is the last chance to buy Bitcoin.
There is an upward push for Bitcoin after August.
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oh buddy be one bad ass grinder.
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In a year, Black Monday 2.0 will happen and the SEC will step in and
 fine people who made the same trading recommendations based on the same information.
I think There is no chance he'll do that.


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