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[vroom]

I'm not sure this is the thread to talk about firearms and it's usefulness and other crime stopping properties, but since it's being discussed, I will say "Good Guys with Guns stop Bad Guys with anything." And the famous "When Guns Are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Guns."

I dunno about you, but if there's a zombie apocalypse or some riot right outside my house, I'd prefer to have one. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I'm biased because I'm a soldier. But whatever.

you are right, this seems to be a very emotional issue. yes, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

but still, I'm from europe and I'm glad that my neighbours don't run around with automatic rifles.

[buyandhold]

BCH .095 and still falling.  So is that it, China just going to let it die?  Would be telling if it falls below eth.

http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170928/#27 [05:28:24] · <mircea_popescu> so which hits 0.05 first, ethereum or crash ?

[Meuh6879]

price looking pretty good, eh?

yep, my next selling point is 4490 USD (3800 euros).

[ragnar0k]

But this has the smell of another false flag. I'm sure more anti-gun rhetoric will be spewing from the far left in short order.

no other country has so many people run amok or accidents with weapons. I don't know another country where 3 year old children kill other 3 year old kids with guns. this is no false flag, this is sad reality. more weapons -> more innocent dead people

Ever heard of Switzerland?
US has too many social conflicts. The government likes to keep it that way I think, less unity is better governance. People go crazy in certain environments, nothing to do with weapons

[vroom]

But this has the smell of another false flag. I'm sure more anti-gun rhetoric will be spewing from the far left in short order.

no other country has so many people run amok or accidents with weapons. I don't know another country where 3 year old children kill other 3 year old kids with guns. this is no false flag, this is sad reality. more weapons -> more innocent dead people

Ever heard of Switzerland?
US has too many social conflicts. The government likes to keep it that way I think, less unity is better governance. People go crazy in certain environments, nothing to do with weapons

thanks for enlighten me, switzerland is a really good example.

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still edging upwards at a nice fairly steady rate... currently $4415USD/$5519CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

AltCash still stalled at $424USD/$530CAD (Coinmarketcap).

At this rate we just might see $5k by the end of the week.

Go Bitcoin go.

[Arriemoller]

Here's some thuggish state violence you might enjoy.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalSpain/status/914447014162771970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F10%2F01%2Fhundreds_injured_as_spanish_police_beat_up_referendum_voters_in_catalonia.html

State-sponsored violence against the people:
First in a country far from you. Then in a country near you. Finally in your country.

Oh, it has been in your country for quite som while now, remember the civil war? (no, not personally).
The Spanish police throwing a few people down the stairs when a state tries to secede is pretty calm compared to throwing the country into a civil war when a state wants to secede.

[frmracc]

$4,500 next 

[bitserve]

Here's some thuggish state violence you might enjoy.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalSpain/status/914447014162771970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F10%2F01%2Fhundreds_injured_as_spanish_police_beat_up_referendum_voters_in_catalonia.html

State-sponsored violence against the people:
First in a country far from you. Then in a country near you. Finally in your country.

Oh, it has been in your country for quite som while now, remember the civil war? (no, not personally).
The Spanish police throwing a few people down the stairs when a state tries to secede is pretty calm compared to throwing the country into a civil war when a state wants to secede.

^^ This.

But there is only ONE state in Spain. There are some people that seem to want to "secede".... We are fine with that, as long as they do it outside Spanish territory. Maybe they should move to France and try to do that stunt there... I don't think their police will be as soft with their "secesion" attempts.

[Arriemoller]

Sounds correct, anyone with an old bitcoin address balance will have that coin and thats alot of unknown people outside China.  Hardly an ideal situation unless PBOC is embracing the free enterprise spirit of capitalism which despite appearances I dont think China really wants capitalism as that is all about free control of money by the people which gives them power outside of government.  Central banking is a communist construct from beginnings of CCCP is one article I read and really it does fit

The Swedish central bank was founded in 1668, a bit older than the CCCP I would say.
And its origin was a failed private bank (Stockholms Banco) that the state had to bail out.

"Stockholms Banco collapsed as a result of the issuing of too many notes without the necessary collateral. Palmstruch, who was considered responsible for the bank's losses, was condemned to death, but later received clemency."

Sounds familiar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_Riksbank

[Arriemoller]

I'm not sure this is the thread to talk about firearms and it's usefulness and other crime stopping properties, but since it's being discussed, I will say "Good Guys with Guns stop Bad Guys with anything." And the famous "When Guns Are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Guns."

I dunno about you, but if there's a zombie apocalypse or some riot right outside my house, I'd prefer to have one. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I'm biased because I'm a soldier. But whatever.

I also used to be a soldier (and still am a gun instructor) and I totally agree with you.

[Arriemoller]

Here's some thuggish state violence you might enjoy.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalSpain/status/914447014162771970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F10%2F01%2Fhundreds_injured_as_spanish_police_beat_up_referendum_voters_in_catalonia.html

State-sponsored violence against the people:
First in a country far from you. Then in a country near you. Finally in your country.

Oh, it has been in your country for quite som while now, remember the civil war? (no, not personally).
The Spanish police throwing a few people down the stairs when a state tries to secede is pretty calm compared to throwing the country into a civil war when a state wants to secede.

^^ This.

But there is only ONE state in Spain. There are some people that seem to want to "secede".... We are fine with that, as long as they do it outside Spanish territory. Maybe they should move to France and try to do that stunt there... I don't think their police will be as soft with their "secesion" attempts.

I think Catalonia considers themselves to be a state, I mean, they even have their own president and police.

[JimboToronto]

@infofront

Isn't it time for a new poll?

[El duderino_]

@infofront

Isn't it time for a new poll?

price for end of the year

[Arriemoller]

@infofront

Isn't it time for a new poll?

price for end of the year

Dibs on 10 000

[bitserve]

Here's some thuggish state violence you might enjoy.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalSpain/status/914447014162771970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F10%2F01%2Fhundreds_injured_as_spanish_police_beat_up_referendum_voters_in_catalonia.html

State-sponsored violence against the people:
First in a country far from you. Then in a country near you. Finally in your country.

Oh, it has been in your country for quite som while now, remember the civil war? (no, not personally).
The Spanish police throwing a few people down the stairs when a state tries to secede is pretty calm compared to throwing the country into a civil war when a state wants to secede.

^^ This.

But there is only ONE state in Spain. There are some people that seem to want to "secede".... We are fine with that, as long as they do it outside Spanish territory. Maybe they should move to France and try to do that stunt there... I don't think their police will be as soft with their "secesion" attempts.

I think Catalonia considers themselves to be a state, I mean, they even have their own president and police.

They can consider whatever they want, but it isn't.

Spain has 17 "autonomous comunities" which are regions where SOME estatal (there is only ONE state: Spain) competencies have been delegated. Thus they all have their own LOCAL regional representatives... but there is only one President of the Spanish Government and one King (whose function in practice and by law is more "PR" than "ruling").

They do have a president of their region (as do have the other 16) but think about him more as the equivalent of a city major but on a regional level. Regions are not states. So this is more like if tomorrow Las Vegas tried to secede from United States.

Most of spanish people is in favor of the supression of ALL autonomies for the main reason that it represents a HUGE economic burden because of the redundancy of some functions and costs.

And then, there are some regions such as Cataluña that have been as much benefited from this system that they keep "pressing" trying to obtain more and more using the constant "menace" of "independence".

We are completely fed up by that attitude and many consider this is an extortion to the state that should have been put to an stop many years ago.

[jojo69]

But there is only ONE state in Spain. There are some people that seem to want to "secede".... We are fine with that, as long as they do it outside Spanish territory. Maybe they should move to France and try to do that stunt there... I don't think their police will be as soft with their "secesion" attempts.

found the statist fuck

[Arriemoller]

Here's some thuggish state violence you might enjoy.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalSpain/status/914447014162771970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F10%2F01%2Fhundreds_injured_as_spanish_police_beat_up_referendum_voters_in_catalonia.html

State-sponsored violence against the people:
First in a country far from you. Then in a country near you. Finally in your country.

Oh, it has been in your country for quite som while now, remember the civil war? (no, not personally).
The Spanish police throwing a few people down the stairs when a state tries to secede is pretty calm compared to throwing the country into a civil war when a state wants to secede.

^^ This.

But there is only ONE state in Spain. There are some people that seem to want to "secede".... We are fine with that, as long as they do it outside Spanish territory. Maybe they should move to France and try to do that stunt there... I don't think their police will be as soft with their "secesion" attempts.

I think Catalonia considers themselves to be a state, I mean, they even have their own president and police.

They can consider whatever they want, but it isn't.

Spain has 17 "autonomous comunities" which are regions where SOME estatal (there is only ONE state: Spain) competencies have been delegated. Thus they all have their own LOCAL regional representatives... but there is only one President of the Spanish Government and one King (whose function in practice and by law is more "PR" than "ruling").

They do have a president of their region (as do have the other 16) but think about him more as the equivalent of a city major but on a regional level. Regions are not states. So this is more like if tomorrow Las Vegas tried to secede from United States.

Most of spanish people is in favor of the supression of ALL autonomies for the main reason that it represents a HUGE economic burden because of the redundancy of some functions and costs.

And then, there are some regions such as Cataluña that have been as much benefited from this system that they keep "pressing" trying to obtain more and more using the constant "menace" of "independence".

We are completely fed up by that attitude and many consider this is an extortion to the state that should have been put to an stop many years ago.

As I understand it, president Carles Puigdemont Will deklare Catalonia independent 48 hours after a confirmed yes victory. This is how nation states are born.

[jbreher]

https://qz.com/1072907/why-china-is-so-hot-on-bitcoin/

Exclusive "Bitcoin Club" in Beijing, funded by the mining cartel in China.  
Even with a "Faith in Bitcoin" Poker table.  

https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/bitcoin-club-poker-2.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=940

Most fascinating bit:

Sheer scale

Bitmain’s position as the world’s largest miner is only the tip of Chinese industrial interest on blockchain technology. Last May, a Chinese company called Wanxiang Group, one of the world largest automotive parts makers, sponsored a blockchain hackathon at the Deloitte offices in Rockefeller Center in New York. Wanxiang plans to embed blockchain technology into a new “smart city“—a nine square kilometer plot of land with a planned population of 90,000 people and $30 billion in investment—that it is building from scratch near Hangzhou in eastern China. It was looking for the world’s brightest blockchain developers.

Wanxiang was offering $15,000 to teams who came up with an enticing blockchain project for the smart city, with an additional $1 million in funding. As Wanxiang executive Peter Liang clicked through his slides detailing how blockchains would power everything from the city’s electricity grid to its traffic control system and be embedded in Wanxiang’s factories, the handful of programmers in the room grew both skeptical and awed. “It’s so huge, it’s hard to even believe,” one developer told him.

If anyone knows of a posting to the presentation listed above by Peter Liang, I'd be very interested to view it.

this is a joke ?!?
http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/10/01/bitmain-now-accepts-bitcoin-cash-latest-mining-hardware

“Only BCC payment method is accepted in this batch, please use the exact amount mentioned in your order and complete the payment within one hour. After one hour, the order will expire and your payment may not be detected by the system automatically. If the payment is submitted but the receipt is delayed, we will make your payment “Valid” manually.”

No. Why would you think it would be? Bitcoin Cash returns to Bitcoin the e-commerce use cases that Blockstream and Core threw overboard two years ago. I'm surprised that you seem surprised by this rational consequence.

Actually that news is a few days old.  I remember reading them (over the weekend?) and saw that there was no reaction in BCH price to that news.  In fact BCH just keeps going down in the past few days.  Probably due to the EDA exploiting shenanigan.

https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-cash-network-triggers-another-lower-mining-difficulty-to-keep-the-chain-ahead/

Yeah, about that....

Author JD Buntix is either an idiot, or perhaps more likely a paid propagandist. The number of lies he was able to fit into three short articles is pretty staggering.

[bitserve]

As I understand it, president Carles Puigdemont Will deklare Catalonia independent 48 hours after a confirmed yes victory. This is how nation states are born.

Yup. I have my popcorns ready to watch how this evolves in the next few days. Let's see if they go all in this time and we can finally put an end to this shitshow that have lasted for too long.