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[savetherainforest]

I found stuff... good times... good memories...

Ha ha, someone should have told lambie about the slaughterhouse.  

[Arriemoller]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

I would.

[El duderino_]

END list, good luck!

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10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER

it looks like lightning will strike twice at the same spot.

A new ATH within 2 hours? I doubt it.

I think Ted E Bare and HarryMMMM have a much better chance, or maybe Cryptoqueen.

Cryptoqueen would be crazy ....Thats my girlfriend and her Bday 😊 ;-)

[Arriemoller]

...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..

This "supposed" Russia "ban"

Who could really give a flying fuck.

Not me that is for sure.

Not a single fuck given.

(Even if Putin were to come into my  house and smack the hardware  wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)

He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ...  

With current USA gun laws, if a foreigner comes and smacks anything precious out of the houseowner's hands, are you really sure it is the trespasser who's going to laugh last?

"At first I only kneecapped him, but then he grabbed the hammer and threw it at me... I was really afraid for my (my wife's/my children's) safety... so I kept on shooting until he stopped moving... honest, officer."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/16/putin-gunslinger-gait-kgb-training-report

[Arriemoller]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

I do completely agree. AFAIK noone was beaten for that (trying to vote or peacefully protesting). Police had strict orders from Judge to seize ballot boxes, the only people that were beaten were actively hindering (not sure if that is the right english word) the police job. In fact, in most the places they were not able to comply orders because it would have mean a major confrontation and put people (and police units themselves) in higher danger. It was an extremely complex operative, probably the most complex this country has ever coped with.

I do also recognize this incident have had a very bad impact in international media. It would have been way better to have intervened way sooner and just arrest the promoters of the rebelion without exposing any law-abiding citizens to any innecesary risk.

What possible motivation could there be for removing someones freedom of expression by using law?
It is acceptable that a government may take a different view to a sub set of it's people, but it is not acceptable that a government denies those people from  expressing themselves in a peaceful way,

It is a common misunderstanding that freedom of expression is an unlimited freedom. It isn't. You can't publish clearly racist manifests, etc...

But this is not a matter of free speech. It is a matter of breaking the law.

Expressing anything (not ilegal) in a peaceful way is ok.

Who has said/or done anything against that?

That's a EU thing, in the US you can. and in Sweden you used to, but not anymore. And I think that's wrong, You are either allowed to speak your mind on any subjekt or you don't have free speech. Partial free speech is not free speech.

Edit: erased the part my cat wrote.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

END list, good luck!

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10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER

it looks like lightning will strike twice at the same spot.

A new ATH within 2 hours? I doubt it.

I think Ted E Bare and HarryMMMM have a much better chance, or maybe Cryptoqueen.

Cryptoqueen would be crazy ....Thats my girlfriend and her Bday 😊 ;-)

She a Bitmain proxy, too?

[RoomBot]

- the world should unite instead of break down

the world is a globe, so it's already 1.
unless you mean one fuhrer or a(nother) bureaucratic monster to rule it, in which case you better count me out.

YUP & Bitcoin is uniting the globe more & more every day, in the best kind of way.

[JayJuanGee]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Ok, so I can go and do a "referendum" with a bunch of my friends and decide, for example, that we are not going to pay any taxes anymore?

So if the miners decide to hardfork you follow them? Or do you stick to the consensus rules you choose? Imo Bitcoin shows the flaws of our legacy governance systems. They are are not able to soft fork. Only hard forks possible. Either you are with us or against us. Where it leads to can be found in various history books. Seems learning from past mistakes is impossible.

Seems like a newbie coming into this thread and making nonsensical assertions that bitcoin is broken and putting forth some kinds of misleading analogies....  yeah..bitcoin is broken because of its governance... and that is why prices are about to break ATHs? go figure?

[jbreher]

Do you really think you would be able to keep hodling them when someone went to beat you to death until you gave your private keys to them... because they have the "means" and "freedom" to take it from you?

Note that government has this exact power. Indeed, they exercise it regularly. Stop paying your income taxes, and see what comes of it.

Just because it is wrapped up in a pretty package of collectivism and so-called 'law' does not change the fact that it is forceful initiation of violence.

Incidentally, y'all gots a funny interpretation of 'free speech'. Like 'funny sick', not 'funny haha'.

[ragnar0k]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

I would.

Looks from your posts you are Swedish, and bashing Sweden is way too easy!
Besides, despite your spiking crime rate since you joined the EU, you don't even have the euro to enjoy unemployment like your neighbour Finns do

[harrymmmm]

END list, good luck!

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10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER

it looks like lightning will strike twice at the same spot.

A new ATH within 2 hours? I doubt it.

I think Ted E Bare and HarryMMMM have a much better chance, or maybe Cryptoqueen.

Cryptoqueen would be crazy ....Thats my girlfriend and her Bday 😊 ;-)

I find myself suddenly interested in the minutia of this lottery. 
Is the ath on bitstamp?
Is the day measured from 0000UTC?

[Arriemoller]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

I would.

Looks from your posts you are Swedish, and bashing Sweden is way too easy!
Besides, despite your spiking crime rate since you joined the EU, you don't even have the euro to enjoy unemployment like your neighbour Finns do

Yeah. Sweden not joining the euro was a very good decision, and the result of a referendum no less.
Actually, right now there is no unemployment at all for ethnic Swedes. The immigrants however is another matter, 20%+ unemployment, mostly due to none or wrong education and no language skills.

Btw, the crime rate did't spike until lately, with the influx of MENA immigrants. But don't blame me, I didn't vote for the parties that let them in.

And I do believe that every people have the right to decide their own future, be that Catalonians, Scanians Kurds or Laplanders.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Nope. Nothing to see here.

[RoomBot]

ATH ANY DAY ANY MINUTE I'M TURNING INTO @gembitz weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

OK back to my former Botness, ahem.

We can all agree that EVERY government should use blockchain tech, esp for voting!

*Otherwise "Democracy" is just a sick joke-on-us.

VOTING on the BLOCKCHAIN https://followmyvote.com/online-voting-technology/blockchain-technology/

[ragnar0k]

Yeah. Sweden not joining the euro was a very good decision, and the result of a referendum no less.
Actually, right now there is no unemployment at all for ethnic Swedes. The immigrants however is another matter, 20%+ unemployment, mostly due to none or wrong education and no language skills.

Btw, the crime rate did't spike until lately, with the influx of MENA immigrants. But don't blame me, I didn't vote for the parties that let them in.

And I do believe that every people have the right to decide their own future, be that Catalonians, Scanians Kurds or Laplanders.

Right, so we are on the same page it seems, but I was complaining because according to bitserve the EU cares about its people and democracy...

[gembitz]

ATH ANY DAY ANY MINUTE I'M TURNING INTO @gembitz weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

OK back to my former Botness, ahem.

We can all agree that EVERY government should use blockchain tech, esp for voting!

*Otherwise "Democracy" is just a sick joke-on-us.

VOTING on the BLOCKCHAIN https://followmyvote.com/online-voting-technology/blockchain-technology/

BTC ===> are weee to the mooooon yet?    //^go go gooo!!

[LewisPirenne]

Can anybody give some clarity on segwit 2x? I don't get it.

How high chance is it that it happens? Is it confirmed to happen and will it be a fork like bitcoin cash?

Bumping this, need to know to understand how it might affect price

And how much I can sell mine for to get more real BTC  

I am more inclined to think that Segwit 2X is getting priced in and hence the new approach to another ATH.  I seriously thought that we won't see another ATH until after S2X debacle settles down.  But Bitfinex's new S2X future contract pretty much puts the nail in the coffin.  Once people sees that Core is three times the price of S2X coin, the narrative changes from "it's an upgrade and with 95% miner support, it's going to end soon" to "hey, another free airdropped ALT for me to SELL!".  

You then see some of the biggest S2X supporter such as Coinbase comes out and say that we are going to list both coins and let market decides.  Even VIABTC pool says that they are going to offer their miners both coins to mine (which ever is more profitable).  Then you see Jeff Garzik starts to respond to some of the criticisms, such as drawing up a formal spec, putting in more robust replay protection (more than just a blacklisted address).  So instead of another apocalypse, you now have people acting rationally (i.e. follow the money).

[Arriemoller]

Yeah. Sweden not joining the euro was a very good decision, and the result of a referendum no less.
Actually, right now there is no unemployment at all for ethnic Swedes. The immigrants however is another matter, 20%+ unemployment, mostly due to none or wrong education and no language skills.

Btw, the crime rate did't spike until lately, with the influx of MENA immigrants. But don't blame me, I didn't vote for the parties that let them in.

And I do believe that every people have the right to decide their own future, be that Catalonians, Scanians Kurds or Laplanders.

Right, so we are on the same page it seems, but I was complaining because according to bitserve the EU cares about its people and democracy...

Yes, same page.
I would love a swexit.
Snappier in Finland, fixit. Tadadum.

[Arriemoller]

ATH ANY DAY ANY MINUTE I'M TURNING INTO @gembitz weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

OK back to my former Botness, ahem.

We can all agree that EVERY government should use blockchain tech, esp for voting!

*Otherwise "Democracy" is just a sick joke-on-us.

VOTING on the BLOCKCHAIN https://followmyvote.com/online-voting-technology/blockchain-technology/

BTC ===> are weee to the mooooon yet?    //^go go gooo!!

What is the opposite of that? going to Earth?

[JayJuanGee]

END list, good luck!

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10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER

it looks like lightning will strike twice at the same spot.

A new ATH within 2 hours? I doubt it.

I think Ted E Bare and HarryMMMM have a much better chance, or maybe Cryptoqueen.

Cryptoqueen would be crazy ....Thats my girlfriend and her Bday 😊 ;-)

I find myself suddenly interested in the minutia of this lottery. 
Is the ath on bitstamp?
Is the day measured from 0000UTC?

I am pretty sure that you are correct on both counts, that the ATH is measured based on Bitstamp prices, which current ATH would be $4,980 (or maybe $4,979.90 or some variation of such), and I think that he has been using the UTC clock, too.