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[El duderino_]

easy now

save something for Thursday

Thought thursday was STFU .....

[JayJuanGee]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2018/12/05/cryptopia-in-crisis-billionaire-joe-lubins-ethereum-experiment-is-a-mess-how-long-will-he-prop-it-up/
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2018/12/04/ethereum-co-founder-joe-lubin-sounds-the-alarm-and-refocuses-consensys-in-expansive-employee-letter/
someone call a priest

For straight up assets on a chain (tokens) this new Ravencoin thing looks like it can replace it.

I'm not an user of ETH or any alts really to tell you the truth but the asset layer is what ETH is all about and there's something better, cheaper and much easier to use around nowadays. Might take a bit to mature but it's coming and ETH is going...

You know a scamcoin like ETH is in trouble when:

a) after years of development, still the use case and business case can't be found by anyone, including Vitalik
b) zero adoption for said use case, because solution still looking for a problem that doesn't exist, and
c) something is already coming along deemed as "better than" ETH (which is a joke in and of itself)

   

Huh?  Isn't facilitating abilities to launch scam coins a use case?  Fuck....

We have seen billions of dollars raised through that scam coin, ETH enabled (facilitated), so even though I am no fan of ETH and its bullshit, there seems to be a use case, no?

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

maths fail^ nosey fail^

What do you believe the math to be if you assert that you would have an extra $20 to $50 million to spend on projects (without batting an eye), if BTC price were to go to $100k?

I said 600BTC because that gives a bit of a cushion.

If a guy or gal only had 500 BTC, then s/he would only have $50 million in the event that BTC prices were to reach $100k... That would leave absolutely no cushion to feel comfortable doling out $50million on any kind of project.

You have better approximation numbers than me?  fucktwat?

Your Math is actually more than sensible on this one, given the assumption that $100k is the target.

Keep in mind that people could be satisfied with a relatively frugal lifestyle (not living in an insanely huge mansion, while still having cash for all the high-end nerd toys one would want; the most outrageous TVs are barely 10k, desktop computers at best half etc.). Not everyone needs lambos, yachts, planes or whatever the fuck rich people tend to get.

Developing a game that shits on the crappy triple A titles takes a very long time as well. And the full sum isn't going to be spent in one go, but over half a decade as a lower end estimate. That gives some wiggle room. There are also ways to be more economical about this if you're not in a rush to release a title to generate revenue. You can start small, lay a very strong foundation, then scale up with the years as necessary.


What I'm saying is, is that while the 600 BTC number is a very good guess (as the 10m difference to the higher end estimate is enough to live lavishly for the rest of one's life) it can be both significantly lower or higher.

AI is developing at a crazy speed as well with one crucial example being the ability of taking low resolution images and having an AI upscale it to high-resolution given enough training data (textures are one of the biggest cost factors in this industry). There also has been an AI that turned video material into a functioning game engine. Basically, the 20-50m estimate that is true for today's titles might very well be cut down to a fraction before Bitcoin hits 100k or whatever price.

I may be well off, but I'm sure others have much more than me. I certainly can't move the BTC/USD market, so I'm lightyears away from being a whale.


Edit: Also. Since I'd be the one funding it there would be no CEO twat sponging up all the money, which would probably cut out a dozen millions or so lmao.

[cAPSLOCK]

Eh I think Eth has a use and will pull out on second.

I think it's guaranteed to be superseded. It's a prototype and will remain so. Someone will come up with something that does everything it claims to do and much more and it'll simply... work.

There won't be weird languages to learn, holes in the contracts, nodes that are major undertaking to sync and a chain that keeps bloating.

It's not here yet, but it will be. However it's going to require multiple actual uses for the idea of 'blockchain' for something with improved functionality to get traction and expose ETH as wheezing poo.

At the same time I don't think it's going to stop the zombies trading ETH for a long arse time yet. No one is yet to care about actual uses for things like this. If Ripple can be older than BTC and still have achieved precisely fuck all and still be worth what it is, we have a long way to go before sense reigns.

Most likely it will be a Layer 2 BTC project.

Eventually most blockchains will be attacked and destroyed. Only the top chain of each hashing algorithm has any chance of survival, and even most of those will fall.

[Last of the V8s]

I deleted an anti-JJG broadcast somewhere up there^ for being slightly wrong, and slightly meh anyway.

maths fail^ nosey fail^

fucktwat?

half agree. in my defense i fell victim to a foul tesla troll earlier on, and am still stunned

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don’t know about you but it’s defintely Thursday here. 

Damnit. Still have a full seven hours, and ten some-odd minutes CST here.

Just over an hour to go here....

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I can already live off of my crypto earnings comfortably. The type of profits I suggested would be in a range where I could dump some 20~50m into the development of a game without even flinching about potentially never making it back.

That's a lot of BTC you're holding.

That is what I was thinking too...

Seems a bit more than the average WO participant, or even the elite end of the WO participants...

I am thinking that seems to be in the 600BTC plus arena to be able to consider that $20 to $50 million would be a drop in the bucket, in the event that BTC went to the $100k arena.

I wouldn't consider throwing 20-50m in a non-profitable hobby unless I have at least 10 times the amount so.... maybe a couple thousands of BTC (@$100K) to be comfortable with that "frivolous" spending.

I'd be flabbergasted if that hobby didn't turn out immensely profitable. I just wouldn't do it for the money and would be happy with just creating something that I could enjoy for numerous years of my life.

I also want to nudge it in a direction that fosters a try-harding mentality in casuals that is completely absent in today's instant gratification mainstream games to hopefully create a culture of non-complacent people that try to go out and do something that others would look at in awe. Without them noticing what is happening to them as they play (which is what happened to me as I spent around a decade full-time playing a single game).

Basically, a game that brainwashes people in doing something with their lives instead of buying a fucking iPhone every year with all of their savings.

[JayJuanGee]

maths fail^ nosey fail^

What do you believe the math to be if you assert that you would have an extra $20 to $50 million to spend on projects (without batting an eye), if BTC price were to go to $100k?

I said 600BTC because that gives a bit of a cushion.

If a guy or gal only had 500 BTC, then s/he would only have $50 million in the event that BTC prices were to reach $100k... That would leave absolutely no cushion to feel comfortable doling out $50million on any kind of project.

You have better approximation numbers than me?  fucktwat?

Your Math is actually more than sensible on this one, given the assumption that $100k is the target.

Keep in mind that people could be satisfied with a relatively frugal lifestyle (not living in an insanely huge mansion, while still having cash for all the high-end nerd toys one would want; the most outrageous TVs are barely 10k, desktop computers at best half etc.). Not everyone needs lambos, yachts, planes or whatever the fuck rich people tend to get.

Developing a game that shits on the crappy triple A titles takes a very long time as well. And the full sum isn't going to be spent in one go, but over half a decade as a lower end estimate. That gives some wiggle room. There are also ways to be more economical about this if you're not in a rush to release a title to generate revenue. You can start small, lay a very strong foundation, then scale up with the years as necessary.


What I'm saying is, is that while the 600 BTC number is a very good guess (as the 10m difference to the higher end estimate is enough to live lavishly for the rest of one's life) it can be both significantly lower or higher.

AI is developing at a crazy speed as well with one crucial example being the ability of taking low resolution images and having an AI upscale it to high-resolution given enough training data (textures are one of the biggest cost factors in this industry). There also has been an AI that turned video material into a functioning game engine. Basically, the 20-50m estimate that is true for today's titles might very well be cut down to a fraction before Bitcoin hits 100k or whatever price.

I may be well off, but I'm sure others have much more than me. I certainly can't move the BTC/USD market, so I'm lightyears away from being a whale.

Well, you are the one who volunteered the $20million to $50 million "throw away money", so it seemed quite topical to explore the extent to which that might be reasonable for anyone to pull off and what kind of cushion anyone might consider to be prudent in order to make such a thing work decently and without too much personal psychological or fiscal stress.  I doubt that you need to provide additional personal particulars in order to appreciate that you have decently thought through some of the parameters including a kind of moving trajectory.. and surely, I understand as well that you were throwing $20 to $50million out there as a ballpark thinking point... and of course, peeps could draw from other sources, too, but yeah, if the funds are mostly coming from BTC appreciation.. then gosh 600 BTC does seem to be within a kind of minimum arena (for a kind of in the ball park of realistic frugality).

[HairyMaclairy]

Don’t fear the reaper

[El duderino_]

Wow $3700 what is this bullshit.

you new here? ~if $2500 holds i might put in $100 and spin the wheel again? weeee

Super new but I think I have caught on:


Micgoosens is from Kentucky and drinks strictly Bud light and works as a tattoo removal specialist.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

maths fail^ nosey fail^

What do you believe the math to be if you assert that you would have an extra $20 to $50 million to spend on projects (without batting an eye), if BTC price were to go to $100k?

I said 600BTC because that gives a bit of a cushion.

If a guy or gal only had 500 BTC, then s/he would only have $50 million in the event that BTC prices were to reach $100k... That would leave absolutely no cushion to feel comfortable doling out $50million on any kind of project.

You have better approximation numbers than me?  fucktwat?

Your Math is actually more than sensible on this one, given the assumption that $100k is the target.

Keep in mind that people could be satisfied with a relatively frugal lifestyle (not living in an insanely huge mansion, while still having cash for all the high-end nerd toys one would want; the most outrageous TVs are barely 10k, desktop computers at best half etc.). Not everyone needs lambos, yachts, planes or whatever the fuck rich people tend to get.

Developing a game that shits on the crappy triple A titles takes a very long time as well. And the full sum isn't going to be spent in one go, but over half a decade as a lower end estimate. That gives some wiggle room. There are also ways to be more economical about this if you're not in a rush to release a title to generate revenue. You can start small, lay a very strong foundation, then scale up with the years as necessary.


What I'm saying is, is that while the 600 BTC number is a very good guess (as the 10m difference to the higher end estimate is enough to live lavishly for the rest of one's life) it can be both significantly lower or higher.

AI is developing at a crazy speed as well with one crucial example being the ability of taking low resolution images and having an AI upscale it to high-resolution given enough training data (textures are one of the biggest cost factors in this industry). There also has been an AI that turned video material into a functioning game engine. Basically, the 20-50m estimate that is true for today's titles might very well be cut down to a fraction before Bitcoin hits 100k or whatever price.

I may be well off, but I'm sure others have much more than me. I certainly can't move the BTC/USD market, so I'm lightyears away from being a whale.

Well, you are the one who volunteered the $20million to $50 million "throw away money", so it seemed quite topical to explore the extent to which that might be reasonable for anyone to pull off and what kind of cushion anyone might consider to be prudent in order to make such a thing work decently and without too much personal psychological or fiscal stress.  I doubt that you need to provide additional personal particulars in order to appreciate that you have decently thought through some of the parameters including a kind of moving trajectory.. and surely, I understand as well that you were throwing $20 to $50million out there as a ballpark thinking point... and of course, peeps could draw from other sources, too, but yeah, if the funds are mostly coming from BTC appreciation.. then gosh 600 BTC does seem to be within a kind of minimum arena (for a kind of in the ball park of realistic frugality).

I'm fully expecting not to be able to start without having funds in that region because I can't possibly expect technological progress to just cut costs to a tenth or so, despite the feasibility. It's mostly a pipe dream, but one that I've been exploring over the years since actually having the option doesn't seem impossible, albeit not very likely. I spend a good amount of time every so often thinking about what I'd do if different scenarios play out, and this is just one.

There are also a few different plans to raise money without relying on Bitcorn, but I'm not sure I like the idea of being responsible for the livelihood of people as I like to just start and stop shit on a whim. I'm kind of like a moth flying from one blinking light to another, except that the light is some random shit that I start to find interesting for no particular reason. Can't do that when running a business, hence my involvement with finance. Can trade and invest without ever talking to anyone these days, what a time to be alive.

[Last of the V8s]

legacy plummeting

[HairyMaclairy]

Fuck the banks.  Bring the pain.

[Last of the V8s]

What's going on? News? just fuckery?
Dimon?
edit: this?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/carnage-continues-us-futures-crash-re-open-after-huawei-cfo-arrest

moar https://twitter.com/StockBoardAsset/status/1070453637334294529

[JayJuanGee]

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I'm fully expecting not to be able to start without having funds in that region because I can't possibly expect technological progress to just cut costs to a tenth or so, despite the feasibility. It's mostly a pipe dream, but one that I've been exploring over the years since actually having the option doesn't seem impossible, albeit not very likely. I spend a good amount of time every so often thinking about what I'd do if different scenarios play out, and this is just one.

There are also a few different plans to raise money without relying on Bitcorn, but I'm not sure I like the idea of being responsible for the livelihood of people as I like to just start and stop shit on a whim. I'm kind of like a moth flying from one blinking light to another, except that the light is some random shit that I start to find interesting for no particular reason. Can't do that when running a business, hence my involvement with finance. Can trade and invest without ever talking to anyone these days, what a time to be alive.

It does not hurt to have relatively BIG ASS dreams about what role you would be able to play in various kinds of investment scenarios - but I do know from experience that sometimes your investment can become a lot less passive than you expected merely because of your investment and sometimes the incentives might NOT be strong enough for various principles in the investment to make sure that they are NOT undermining your financial contribution, so sometimes it can be difficult to NOT have a decent amount of involvement, even if your goals were to MOSTLY finance rather than be actively working within the project including goal setting projects.

[jojo69]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Lenny Bruce is not afraid

[Last of the V8s]

Don’t fear the reaper

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1070446975642812416 Tracking shot of Falcon water landing

[VB1001]

Greyscale Bitcoin Investment Trust, it now holds over 200,000 BTC for institutional investor clients. Considering the fact that there are 17.4 million BTC in circulation, this means that the company now has control of 1% of Bitcoin in circulation.

https://www.cryptocurrency365.com/news/greyscale-bitcoin-investment-trust-now-controls-1-percent-of-btc/

[empowering]

Greyscale Bitcoin Investment Trust, it now holds over 200,000 BTC for institutional investor clients. Considering the fact that there are 17.4 million BTC in circulation, this means that the company now has control of 1% of Bitcoin in circulation.

https://www.cryptocurrency365.com/news/greyscale-bitcoin-investment-trust-now-controls-1-percent-of-btc/

Not accounting for the millions(?) of lost coins

[Last of the V8s]

lol CME intervened to stop stocks crashing

notlol btc looks really bad

lol eos broke down from a downtrend