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March 15, 2019, 05:40:16 AM

Here comes the CNBC Signal. Short now?  Grin Grin

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I like how CNBC tries to spin that a 5% gain for the year on bitcoin is an awesome reward for holding a high risk "asset" that can literally go to zero at any second from a random cryptography bug or side channel, or just completely implode naturally since it's entire valuation is based on nothing but market manipulation.
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March 15, 2019, 05:40:47 AM

Tether is probably a fractional reserve scheme, also they are now clearly saying that they use money to buy "other assets" than dollar and that (if I understand  well) they give loans to "affiliates".

That's pretty much a plain admission of scam to me. They are basically acting as a filthy bank, gambling your money for (their) profits.

Am I understanding well the significance of the statement?

Breaking news:  Tether is a shitcoin
Always has been, it's just one people for some fucking reason put their faith in when they really shouldn't have.
It has its uses and there are many stablecoins these days. Hedging between them can help you increase your profits while simultaneously keeping risk low. Whether or not people want to use it is of course up to them. I personally don't because I don't want to risk Bitcoin unexpectedly taking off regardless of technical indicators, but I would certainly have a larger stash now if I had used stablecoins.
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March 15, 2019, 05:48:48 AM
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot

Whether we are referring to the Calvin Ayer picture, or just suggesting that Ayer is attempting to proclaim to be the CEO of BSV, jbreher is frequently on a tear and more than willing to run to the defense and support almost any and all of the behaviors of any scammer that supports BIGBLOCKER ideations.  

WTF are you on about?

A little thing called, "truth."  Have you heard of it?  Oh, I see from the remainder of your post, you are trying to claim a vision about "truth," yet you may either need spectacles or perhaps if you were able to remove yourself from your bias, you might be able to at least recognize that you are in the wrong thread for propagating such supposed self-described "truths"

The claim that Ayre is the CEO of BSV is an out-and-out lie.

Nah.. it is just an exaggeration to suggest both that there is a pretty small group of influencers in connection with Bcash SV, and Ayes plays a very central role with his bank account.... so who fucking cares about any remaining details that don't matter? except for BIGBLOCKER sympathizers like yourself.. who wants to purposefully come up with an excuse to pump baloney narrative of all the supposed greatness of Bcash from your point of view.. and again who cares, this is a bitcoin, not a shitcoin thread.

Once again, I try to inject some actual truth into the discussion, and once again, you call me out as if adhering to the truth is somehow shameful.

You are not injecting truth, you are injecting irrelevant details down the road of off-topicness.

Our various exaggerations do not need to be corrected or rerouted by supposed truth from your perspective because it is both off topic, and few people here (besides yourself) gives a ratt's ass to want to verify the extent to which you might be somewhat true in your representations of such skewed views that BIG BLOCKS are great....   so in that regard, your self-proclaimed abilities to spot truth are questionable at best, and surely also there have been plenty of times that you have presented a vast variety of spins as if they were factual truths, and they were spins  of conclusions that you would like to reach about speculative flaws that you view there to be in BTC... so get off of your petard of a high horse, dear kind sir.


Go fuck yourself.

No need to get sexual about this, especially when you are the one trying to inject off-topicness in the guise of purported "truth" as if it were actually relevant in these here parts.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Didn't you know that you (as the equivalent of a cat) were in bat country, here?

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March 15, 2019, 05:49:38 AM

Did anyone see this part of the "shooter" manifesto?  haha:

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March 15, 2019, 05:56:36 AM

Mass shooting in New Zealand.  Multiple armed perps(??).  Attack on two mosques. Multiple fatalities recorded.  

Obviously terrorism.   Will see if reported as such. Bangladesh cricket team arriving by bus as attack commenced but drove off.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/asia/christchurch-mosque-shooting-intl/

Edit:  TVNZ reporter has seen shooter’s manifesto. Is White Supremacist madness with objective of inciting a race war and conflict over Second Amendment. 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-mass-shooting-christchurch-mosque-police-respond-active-shooter-situation?variant=tb_v_1

Shooting was live streamed.  



This is obviously horrifying.  Possible that young children targeted.   I would ask that some of the more committed racists on this thread take the opportunity to reflect on our common humanity.  I would also ask that some of the bystanders to casual racism here take a stand against it.  And I don’t want to hear shitty stories about how you don’t like Muslims but wouldn’t shoot up a mosque.  If you encourage an atmosphere of racism, then you are part of the problem.
I would see the guy who did the shooting executed, among with other terrorists of any other creed. I would show zero lenience with people like the rapist who shared videos of his grotesque crimes on Instagram the other day either. And I think that dipshit was white if I recall correctly.

But the rest seems like an appeal to emotion. I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to publicly worry about a set of people with an increased associated - at least perceived - risk. Instigation to crime is one thing, and should be punishable under all circumstances to the full extent of the law (which in some cases may be far too lenient). But problems have to be properly analyzed or they'll take control over humanity, as opposed to humanity solving problems.

What would you say to Muslims who have left their faith whilst criticizing it by the way?


And in general, problems tend to get worse if you instigate or if you ignore them by not talking about them. The real issue we seem to have is that one side instigates (populist parties) while the other side tries to shove the problem under the carpet (left-wing) out of fear of losing voters by discussing the unpleasant aspects of the problems and worries that some people have.
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March 15, 2019, 06:02:14 AM

So that fat fuck is free (?) to roam around spying on people with Roger Ver for the USG hangout London Trust Media, owners of Private Internet Media and Freenode. https://www.cnet.com/news/mt-gox-bitcoin-exchange-former-ceo-karpeles-lands-new-job/
Crime pays...

First thing, he's not fat any more.  The fish and rice diet in jail has served him well.

I'm actually glad he's out.  I have been very critical of Mark in the past, had a couple pretty hostile interactions with him on here back in the day, but I now believe that he was not malicious but simply in over his head.  I may be naive in that respect but it is my current belief.  

I also appreciate that he let the little fish swim out after the writing was on the wall.

Yeah, maybe you are being naive here.

Anyway.... What I want is *my* money back. I am way more pragmatic than I used to be in the past...

P.S.: What does being malicious mean? Intent? Do you think the scumbags that crashed the planes into the twin towers were malicious? They probably were convinced that they were fighting the "devil" and going to paradise for their "great" action.

Extreme comparison, I know...
Extremes usually are the most efficient way of getting a quick overview on a topic. They're the limit cases of what's possible and make it easier to sort out what's "in between". Also partially why that technique is used so often in Math and Physics.
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March 15, 2019, 06:03:38 AM

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
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I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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March 15, 2019, 06:05:42 AM

If I offered you $1,000,000,000 would you:

- Permanently destroy your mental health?
- Give up one of your senses?
- Agree to never see your loved ones again?
- Give up laughter?
- Give up your memories?

Money is important but know its place,

You're already worth billions.

https://twitter.com/koroushak/status/1105982376847568898?s=21

I think I could live without smell or maybe even taste. Would need to deeply think about it... but since the offer isn't real I won't.

P.S.: Spoiler -> Roger Ver chose 1. Now we know.
I would forfeit one of my senses. Would have to check how food tastes without smell first to decide. But with a Billion there'd be a very real chance to live to and beyond a time where new senses can be created at will. One of which would surely compensate for smell, taste, or whatever. Nobody said I can't have a sense that is virtually identical to the sense I gave up for the Billion.

Also might consider agreeing to never seeing my loved ones again. It doesn't state that I permanently won't be able to do so. Agreements can be broken, and there's no clause that states that my Billion would be taken away after the fact.

Laughter seems irrelevant too if it doesn't take away the dopamine hit along with it.

And memories can be restored, which this poll doesn't forbid in any way.
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March 15, 2019, 06:05:45 AM
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I would see the guy who did the shooting executed

I started reading this guy's supposed "manifesto" and so far I'm leaning towards it being some type of (((govt))) false flag.  It's completely impossible for this guy to know about any of these issues he's discussing in these 80 pages WITHOUT knowing the main group responsible pushing for white genocide by being flooded with 3rd world brown zombies is the Jew.  So far he hasn't even mentioned the Jews at all and ONLY talked about Muslims.

This is the Jewish moneychanger's main goal - a divide and conquer strategy - to try and get all these disparate groups to fight one another instead of focusing their attention where it belongs on things like the Jewish media and banks instead.  If it wasn't a false flag, he probably would not have wasted his life on a useless target like a 'mosque' and went after some media, bankers, or crooked politicians instead.  

You also have to factor in it's extremely unlikely for someone to commit suicide by cop in a mass shooting against a supposed enemy while stating all these views about wanting to 'fix' society.  Anyone wanting to fix things usually wants to stick around and not volunteer for suicide attacks.
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I voted for the new poll, not the usual one.

it's cool -  Grin
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March 15, 2019, 06:07:03 AM

You chase money every single day.
You stress over money all your life.
You worship money.

But you have no idea why money is valuable.

Money controls your life because you have no understanding of what it is.

Once you ask yourself “What is money?”, Bitcoin will make sense.


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March 15, 2019, 06:10:51 AM

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
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I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions..

Might be more based on what each individual thinks it Will reach in a foreseeable future (few years from now)

I didn’t vote yes

But it would be awesome if the answer = 1 Cheesy
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I would see the guy who did the shooting executed

I started reading this guy's supposed "manifesto" and so far I'm leaning towards it being some type of (((govt))) false flag.  It's completely impossible for this guy to know about any of these issues he's discussing in these 80 pages WITHOUT knowing the main group responsible pushing for white genocide by being flooded with 3rd world brown zombies is the Jew.  So far he hasn't even mentioned the Jews at all and ONLY talked about Muslims.

This is the Jewish moneychanger's main goal - a divide and conquer strategy - to try and get all these disparate groups to fight one another instead of focusing their attention where it belongs on things like the Jewish media and banks instead.
Could well be true. We've seen examples of this in the past.

But regardless of why he did it, he should be punished. And wasting tax money to sustain evil is against my beliefs, so execution would be my vote. I don't care how bad someone had it or what other reasons drove them into such crimes, once they choose to attack innocent people they've forfeited their human rights and should be removed from the gene pool.
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March 15, 2019, 06:15:48 AM

My crack about Calvin Ayre being CEO of BSV was a crack at Ricky Falconwings calling himself CEO of Bcash.  

Inability to detect sarcasm -- even when in clear use of driving home a point -- duly noted.

Certainly BSV is sinking faster than a 737 Max.

*sigh* 'tis true. only up four bucks 'merkin since the start of February.

Wait... what!?
Seems like it's up in terms of dollars due to BTC appreciating, while being down in terms of BTC. Only took a quick glance on CMC though, so room for error here.
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March 15, 2019, 06:23:28 AM

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
 1
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I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions..

Might be more based on what each individual thinks it Will reach in a foreseeable future (few years from now)

I didn’t vote yes

But it would be awesome if the answer = 1 Cheesy

I guess that is why I outlined my presumptions.

I doubt that it is reasonable to presume fuck you status until you have reached it, and seems to me that anything below 200 coins has not yet achieved such status, but that does not mean that either in the near future less than 200 coins would be enough or that some individuals can be very innovative in their living within their means abilities (also possibly based on their current status), and therefore they would reach such "fuck you" status on a much lower amount than I consider to be the current minimum....

By the way, 200 coins of capital represents about $2,576 per month of passive income status, which I would consider to be a bare minimum (even though it is doable and a bit of a cramp of lifestyle, for me), but I think $3,500 would be more reasonable of a starting point, based on my already spoiled and entitled expectations.

Finally, I believe it is presumptuous to arrive at your "fuck you" status before you have actually arrived, because it is likely to lead to more stress than necessary.. unless the BTC price goes shooting up from here.. which also could happen, but I would not want to presume or make a plan before such event actually did happen.
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What would you say to Muslims who have left their faith whilst criticizing it by the way?


And in general, problems tend to get worse if you instigate or if you ignore them by not talking about them. The real issue we seem to have is that one side instigates (populist parties) while the other side tries to shove the problem under the carpet (left-wing) out of fear of losing voters by discussing the unpleasant aspects of the problems and worries that some people have.

I would congratulate anyone leaving the Muslim faith if that’s their choice.  It is, generally speaking, highly misogynistic and incompatible with modern values.  The same could be said for Catholics, Jews and any other Abrahamic religion and probably others beside but that’s neither here nor there.

The shooter announced he was going in on 8chan.


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Edit:  nice to see that Roach is already saying it is a false flag operation despite calling for Jewish genocide on most days. No irony there.
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March 15, 2019, 06:28:39 AM

Thank you. I hope we, as a species, can keep moving towards having more discussions of this nature when it comes to talking to people of opposing perspectives.

It's not possible.  You already saw how overcome with joy Jew scumbag HairyMaclairy was when he posted about the stupid Jussie Smollet hoax.  He was jumping out of his chair in excitement to the idea that he could attempt to blame random white people for a hoax lynching.  These (((people))) operate solely on lies and deception, not "discussions".  "By way of deception thou shall make war" - official slogan of the Mossad.  And unironically sounds like it could be a quote from some religious text attributed to Satan, but no, it's their actual official slogan.

There is absolutely nothing to discuss with them.  Just as you could also not broker a deal with the devil, discussion is not possible with people operating in bad faith and entirely on lies and deception.  The only course of action is expelling them from your country just as nations have expelled the evil cult of Judaism over 300 times in the past.
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Actually you might have persuaded me that 2 + 2 doesn’t necessarily equal 4.  You might have gotten me there.

I haven’t responded because I am still thinking about it.  To your point, it’s not a topic I know a lot about.
Yes that's what I assumed, since you seem like a generally curious person.


In case you care about the intuition, imagine numbers on a circle. If you have {0,1,2,3} and align them on a circle, the next number after 3 is a 0. Now when you use the usual operations of a field (multiplication or addition) you have to stay within that set of numbers. So by adding 2 to 2 you move two to the right of 2 and end up back at 0. This is also the Mathematics behind Boolean Algebras, and thus the basis of computation (where the set of numbers is just {0,1}).
It goes deeper than that if you want to know why it's not exactly just some randomly made up system and why it's natural, but that would require study of the abstract rules and the elements required to create any number system.

For people who reject the idea of "infinity" in practical reality these finite fields are far more real than "1+1=2" ones, as those are by definition infinite. This information should bring anyone to pause and ponder over reality, it sure broke many conceptions I previously had for me.


The big take-away for me was, from a philosophical point of view, that no matter how obvious something seems, as soon as you take a potentially arbitrarily small step to the side your perspective can change dramatically.

It helps me to think about "knowledge" and "truth" as a place in some abstract space. Sometimes what appears obvious may be a mountain, but once I move a step to the side I can see behind it and everything changes dramatically, despite looking from virtually the same starting point.


This I suspect, is fundamentally why humans have such widely opposing opinions on seemingly obvious topics. And it's also why I try to balance out any conversation by proposing the opposite view or other different approaches.

I don't care about convincing anyone, I'm well aware that in the majority of cases that isn't possible. But if some bystanders take away something from the interaction I feel it was worth it. And if not, then I thought about new things that I might not have otherwise.
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