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[vroom]

[makrospex]

On a semi serious note..just talking about things can be helpful for some. Hope you feel better soon.

I already do feel like a bit of a load is off, and seeing Bob and LFC open up first helped. I just need a more positive outlook I think.

You can actually "reprogram" yourself in away you want. It takes forever and it sounds cliche and feels retarded, but it works.

Brain constantly creates random thoughts based on your past, it's up to you to choose which you focus on or if you want to add others. What you focus on becomes a feedback loop that eventually turns "real".

I think the basic mechanism is the brain not wanting to do anything new actively, since that's expensive. To combat that it'll try to tell you that you "can't do it", "it's stupid", "pointless", "cringe", whatever it can throw at you so it can just keep the same old program on repeat.

Possibly also why people sometimes have to hit rock bottom only to then miraculously change.

Or why people believe that hyperwaves apply to everything because they already worked in the past.


Also, I'm not sure if depression is actually bad. It might be a mechanism that is supposed to get us to stop doing what isn't working and seek out new solutions.


Just random SOMA that may or may not be accurate. If I had to bet on it I would say it is to some degree, but I'm no neuroperson so I don't really know either way.


Anyway, best wishes.

seconding that.
two decades ago i was suffering from depression and anxiety, took 3 years of medication to stabilize, figure out the hidden "mechanics" of my ego (brain), about a decade for introspection and meditation, still another couple of years to slowly transform myself into who i wanted to be. The latter was, behind the scenes, what i was afraid of, all my life. I was effectively raised to swallow, follow and sacrifice my needs and ideals for the well being of others.

[Lambie Slayer]

In the spirit of Uber Bullishness I propose a moratorium on JJG STFU Thursdays starting today.

Totally unfair!!!!!!!



I would like to say fuck you to myself just to make up for a proposal that would remove me from having a WO thread day.   

Well Thursday has passed and no one other than you told you to STFU so I guess the moratorium was a success.  

But.... if JJG alone in a forest(during a bull market) tells himself to STFU on Thursday does he make a sound? Idk

But no worries bc im sure that, in the next bear cycle when we crash to 50k and everyone is at each others throats bc deep down we are all just butthurt about not selling the exact top at 250k (or whatever), people will be happy to bring STFU JJG Thursdays back and pile on.

[JayJuanGee]

$1m can still provide you a good life in any decent country.

I wouldn't underestimate the purchasing power of a $1million. It is still decent money by today's standards

You can buy a house/flat for $400k
A good car (not really necessary but let's buy it anyway) > $50-100k
And you can start a decent business with the remaining $500k.

I mean any business you'll be doing without getting bored. You can even make random trades in foreign currencies and still double your money even though you don't know what you are doing.

All you need to do is buy low, sell high. Eur/usd pair... or usd/gbp... (personally i would stay the fuck away from gbp)

Or just rent a shop and start one of those local crypto exchange services. And sell crypto physically. I would do that job and $500k is more than enough. You 'll have to interact with people. Might be a good thing or bad.  

If you don't want to work at all a bank would give you $1k-1.5k monthly interest payments for your $500k. Not really the smartest choice but still an option. You can use it as a temporary solution while you think on a good business idea.

Another option is trading btc, but since btc constantly shits on traders by going up, it is just better to hodl it and we are talking about the other possibilities outside of hodling bitcoin

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As you see I don't have much big expectations at all. Just a house, a car, and a business which i love doing. Maybe that's my problem. (Thinking smaller than most WO readers)

I don't know if your house, car and business is either specific enough or "fuck you" enough.

Of course, house and car are both good for living and doing and not really obligating you too much, beyond making some payments (such as taxes and licensing) and maintenance, but aspiring towards having a business seems to just unnecessarily tie a person down with a large number of obligations more than either a house or a car.

If you are satisfied with one geographical area, then the house would be nice to have, but the business would not be necessary in the event that you have enough income otherwise from your capital to accumulate additional income without having to work.  What are you planned expenses?  Of course, food and beverages (water at minimum) and entertainment beyond the WO thread (and beyond maintaining a JOB through a "business"). 

If you are suggesting that the business is not necessarily a JOB, but instead a means to generate an ongoing income, then why would you need that if you merely just have enough of a stash that you are able to constantly shave off from the stash in order to pay for all your food, beverages and entertainment (here's the part where the hookers, blow and lambo come in)? 

I guess I am just having some conceptual difficulties of aspiring towards having a business as part of the basic goal unless either you just don't believe that you are able to accumulate enough value alone to keep paying for your living expenses, and hopefully entertainment, too, when actually having such business seems to take away from "fuck you" status a lot more than either the house and car that you had mentioned in your basic wealth aspirations scenario.

By the way, all these folks wanting to speed up life because there is a presumption that life is going to get better with the passage of time (assuming BTC prices are going to go up) seem to be bonkers or maybe out of touch with the values of living.  Living should not be painful, and there is a decent amount of value to both appreciating the present and the fact that BTC is on a great trajectory and getting decent value from present conditions rather than just speculating that things are going to be so much better in the future.

 Of course, I am not the first person to say this because there are several other sensible folks in this thread, and likely part of the realization remains that if we are human as we live we cannot count on our health.. so there is a decent amount of value in finding pleasures along the way, even if our current status involves obligations.  There should be ways to get pleasures from ongoing obligations, too.. even if we assume that increasing value of our money stash is going to relieve us from some of our current obligations in the future.

[JayJuanGee]

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Well Thursday has passed and no one other than you told you to STFU so I guess the moratorium was a success.  

But.... if JJG alone in a forest(during a bull market) tells himself to STFU on Thursday does he make a sound? Idk

But no worries bc im sure that, in the next bear cycle when we crash to 50k and everyone is at each others throats bc deep down we are all just butthurt about not selling the exact top at 250k (or whatever), people will be happy to bring STFU JJG Thursdays back and pile on.

Well, seems to me that too many folks seem to be butt hurt right now, for reasons that are less than substantiated.

We get a doubling of BTC's price in a bit more than 6 weeks and seems to me that too many folks are depressed (another way of saying butthurt).

So, yeah, I suppose I agree with you that even with our future BTC price projections, butt-hurtness is not likely to go away, even when we are likely to be experiencing our $50k BTC price correction that is going to be down from higher BTC price peaks.

[Neo_Coin]

FB/WApp money by the end of the year:   

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2019/05/24/facebook-and-whatsapp-break-cover-with-bitcoin-rival-plans/#5223f09b286e

[mindrust]

$1m can still provide you a good life in any decent country.

I wouldn't underestimate the purchasing power of a $1million. It is still decent money by today's standards

You can buy a house/flat for $400k
A good car (not really necessary but let's buy it anyway) > $50-100k
And you can start a decent business with the remaining $500k.
...

I don't know if your house, car and business is either specific enough or "fuck you" enough.

Of course, house and car are both good for living and doing and not really obligating you too much, beyond making some payments (such as taxes and licensing) and maintenance, but aspiring towards having a business seems to just unnecessarily tie a person down with a large number of obligations more than either a house or a car.

If you are satisfied with one geographical area, then the house would be nice to have, but the business would not be necessary in the event that you have enough income otherwise from your capital to accumulate additional income without having to work.  What are you planned expenses?  Of course, food and beverages (water at minimum) and entertainment beyond the WO thread (and beyond maintaining a JOB through a "business").  

If you are suggesting that the business is not necessarily a JOB, but instead a means to generate an ongoing income, then why would you need that if you merely just have enough of a stash that you are able to constantly shave off from the stash in order to pay for all your food, beverages and entertainment (here's the part where the hookers, blow and lambo come in)?  
...

The thing is I already got a decent business (not a job) which makes me decent money but I am not sure if I like it and at this point I am too afraid to leave it. (Not feeling financially secure enough)

I got a car (it is shitty but I don't give a rat's ass) and have enough money to buy a decent house too.

The main problem is i am not happy geographically. (Like you guessed)

And I want that fckn $million to replace them with a higher tier of everything I already got.

[bitserve]

Good morning WO,s

Reading the last pages, very interesting comments about the real life of the people, for this reason I always say that you have to read all the pages, you always learn something.

Thx.

Yep, I love reading about colonoscopy while I'm having breakfast.

Coz everybody loves the smell of colonoscopies in the morning!

Btw, thx for the detailed info about it Bob and kingcolex!

[Phil_S]

Remember how we used to say "at least it's higher than a year ago" most of the 2018?

Until we couldn't anymore...




Well, today it's higher than a year ago!

[Globb0]

Well I guess we all have a lot of common issues.

I been through the horrible drop in portfolio value. The battle for self worth, not had work since march now - OK still employed by my company but its another worry.

3 colonoscopies last year with operations and the worst of that was the camera down the throat. That to me felt the closest to how I imagine waterboarding to feel like.

Drink too much, English problem I fear. Raised on it. Might be different for future generations now all the pubs and clubs are closed. Anyway.

I studied NLP and honest that helped. I worked out a few strategies to shut up the voice.

I still am my own worst critic and doubter.  :/

I know its stupid

[kenzawak]

[Gyrsur]

Gold Bar 400 oz =
Chart



1 BTC =

[Globb0]

Yes. Bitcoin.com provides prominent notice that BCH and BTC are two different things. Faced with that knowledge, if the newcomer is not prompted to perform the requisite five more minutes of due diligence, they'd lose their money in short order no matter which direction they go.

JB for fuck sake please stop saying this again and again. Please do not get blind to see how they are phushing BCH shit on their website. Have you even read the emails they send to their subscribers. In every emails they push BCH. I have never seen an email where they pushed to buy Bitcoin.

Of course they push BCH.

Yes, they provide prominent notice that BCH and BTC are different. Ergo, anyone purchasing BCH from them knows damned well that it is not BTC. Accordingly, no fraud has been committed. Purchaser is fully informed as to the difference. Purchaser receives exactly what they bought.

Adding the useless qualifier "core" to bitcoin just to mix it up with bcash (which does need a qualifier) borders on fraud.
We don't need to explain you that, do we?

Waiting for the day the site properly calls bitcoin "Bitcoin" and bcash "Bitcoin Cash".

skeleton-waiting.gif

Id like to tell you a story about two brothers.

One brother was a very famous rich ultrapreneur, he had a beautiful wife. They had 3 lovely children aged 3, 5 and 7.
They lived in a beautiful cottage, surrounded by woodland. Everyday He walked by the river. He was very happy and content.

[Gyrsur]

Yes. Bitcoin.com provides prominent notice that BCH and BTC are two different things. Faced with that knowledge, if the newcomer is not prompted to perform the requisite five more minutes of due diligence, they'd lose their money in short order no matter which direction they go.

JB for fuck sake please stop saying this again and again. Please do not get blind to see how they are phushing BCH shit on their website. Have you even read the emails they send to their subscribers. In every emails they push BCH. I have never seen an email where they pushed to buy Bitcoin.

Of course they push BCH.

Yes, they provide prominent notice that BCH and BTC are different. Ergo, anyone purchasing BCH from them knows damned well that it is not BTC. Accordingly, no fraud has been committed. Purchaser is fully informed as to the difference. Purchaser receives exactly what they bought.

Adding the useless qualifier "core" to bitcoin just to mix it up with bcash (which does need a qualifier) borders on fraud.
We don't need to explain you that, do we?

Waiting for the day the site properly calls bitcoin "Bitcoin" and bcash "Bitcoin Cash".

skeleton-waiting.gif

Id like to tell you a story about two brothers.

One brother was a very famous rich ultrapreneur, he had a beautiful wife. They had 3 lovely children aged 3, 5 and 7.
They lived in a beautiful cottage, surrounded by woodland. Everyday He walked by the river. He was very happy and content.

are you the other brother?

LOL did not read. BCH is the other brother. we will see. 

[Phil_S]

When a movie starts like that, you know something bad is going to happen.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

FB/WApp money by the end of the year:   

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2019/05/24/facebook-and-whatsapp-break-cover-with-bitcoin-rival-plans/#5223f09b286e

"Bitcoin rival" what a joke.

[mersal]

Quick pool: Looking to sell $2000 worth of bitcoin for my financial needs in the next week,so what time will be the best to get peak price guys.

Weekend days or today itself.

[vroom]

Quick pool: Looking to sell $2000 worth of bitcoin for my financial needs in the next week,so what time will be the best to get peak price guys.

Weekend days or today itself.

some people think we will see a weekend pump. so I would not sell today, wait until monday. As always, don't trust some random internet guy's financial advice

[Globb0]

It was a fair and balanced story!

[JayJuanGee]

$1m can still provide you a good life in any decent country.

I wouldn't underestimate the purchasing power of a $1million. It is still decent money by today's standards

You can buy a house/flat for $400k
A good car (not really necessary but let's buy it anyway) > $50-100k
And you can start a decent business with the remaining $500k.
...

I don't know if your house, car and business is either specific enough or "fuck you" enough.

Of course, house and car are both good for living and doing and not really obligating you too much, beyond making some payments (such as taxes and licensing) and maintenance, but aspiring towards having a business seems to just unnecessarily tie a person down with a large number of obligations more than either a house or a car.

If you are satisfied with one geographical area, then the house would be nice to have, but the business would not be necessary in the event that you have enough income otherwise from your capital to accumulate additional income without having to work.  What are you planned expenses?  Of course, food and beverages (water at minimum) and entertainment beyond the WO thread (and beyond maintaining a JOB through a "business"). 

If you are suggesting that the business is not necessarily a JOB, but instead a means to generate an ongoing income, then why would you need that if you merely just have enough of a stash that you are able to constantly shave off from the stash in order to pay for all your food, beverages and entertainment (here's the part where the hookers, blow and lambo come in)? 
...

The thing is I already got a decent business (not a job) which makes me decent money but I am not sure I like it and at this point I am too afraid to leave it. (Not feeling financially secure enough)

I got a car (it is shitty but I don't give a rat's ass) and have enough money to buy a decent house too.

The main problem is i am not happy geographically. (Like you guessed)

And I want that fckn $million to replace them with a higher tier of everything I already got.

Well I was trying to go along with some of the factors that you presented, and if you are not really satisfied geographically, then either you have already identified another place that would work better for you, or if you do not really want to settle down geographically then I would think that considering just minor maintenance home and car, and then the rest of the money would be used to travel and to figure out a place that would be more suitable for you.  Then the business would come out of that, unless it allowed you the geographical mobility.

Ultimately, the formula and thinking around the whole issue about how much you need and how much do you want to spend on your base will determine how much value you have left to generate enough income in order to satisfy your remaining needs of food, beverages and entertainment and lodging becomes a bit of a different amount of expense (and formula) if you are more mobile or still trying to determine if another location would suit you better (do you have to try out the new location first, or do you already sufficiently know that part in order to just jigger your calculations a bit to include that?)

I understand that it could be difficult to lock down amounts exactly, if you remain uncertain about the location, but you could still speculate.. and it may be more useful to account for various scenarios, including one scenario that has enough capital to totally say fuck you to any business to the extent that it ties you down geographically... and that might mean saying fuck you to any business, unless you really believe that the business is something that you are wanting for some kind of self-fulfillment thing, but if you have enough income then you are not necessarily going to need that self-fulfilling part, so then the calculation becomes about how much do you need in order to really get the part that you actually want, without necessarily being tied down to obligations that are mostly in the category of income generating, rather than self-fulfillment.