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[psycodad]

this thread is so active and valuable. The only issue I face is, if I come after a few days, I don't know if anyone mentioned me anywhere.
anyone uses anything which notifies if someone mentions on the forum, like on this thread.

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[jojo69]

[Toxic2040]

 


rofl....yolo calls


+1 WOsMerit

[Indymoney]

this thread is so active and valuable. The only issue I face is, if I come after a few days, I don't know if anyone mentioned me anywhere.
anyone uses anything which notifies if someone mentions on the forum, like on this thread.

You might want to check LoyceV's mention notification bot:

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This is very good thanks for link today going to check this.

[sirazimuth]

Whale Alert
Blockchain: Bitcoin BTC
Type: Transfer
Amount: 11,635.325 BTC ($108,933,920 USD)
Timestamp: 1 hour 18 minutes ago
Hash: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ef9e97ad42cfbf1cc6fc1a0ae7b44eea6f33fb1ab5de10a99c9a549942279e21
Sender wallet address: 3GKEJ7QsPmfj5FTsfZbWd8ptdidZhqhGwF
Receiver wallet address: 39vDgyHTmgn4hsq4K8fUwJDuk77TLcKV9e

Source: whale-alert

Today such a huge amount has been sent if it is sold on the exchange, what will be the price situation? I think the price will drastically be reduced.

 you think he checked that the receiving addy was correct?

..yeah probably..... imagine fat fingering that mother load to a burn address....

[jbreher]

people who end up intubated stand a real chance of dying.

Hmm. I'm not really trying to argue that you are wrong. I'm currently hunkered down. While I resent what I feel is government overreach in the liberty/safety balance, I'm happy enough to be careful on my own recognizance. But the following had me scratching my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ

I realize that this is an uncorroborated report, and it is anecdotal if true, at that. But it seems sincere, and has me questioning the entire medical response to this thing. At least in my mind.


edit: I see Tash beat me to it. Whatevs.

Just looked over a few minutes - and it seems the initial premise is that people marked negative for test were still 'presumed' Covid positive.  

OK, but...  it is entirely plausible that:

1. People were not tested, but obviously suffering classic symptoms.

2. Test results were taking hours (at best) to even come back - if someone is an emergency admission and short of breath at dangerous levels - as a doctor, you need to act and make a decision. I assume we are not arguing that thousands of people were dying.

3. Tests were simply not showing positive, since they were unreliable.   A positive test is rarely wrong, but false negatives do exist - tests were then (and are still) not infallible.

Her assertion that they were not ill and were only short of breath 'due to stress' is a bit of a stretch IMHO.  Testing being fallible - or (because of time taken to even get results) being skipped in cases where someone is obviously lacking blood oxygen, seems a more likely explanation than deliberately using up ventilators for people with no real need.  
Pulse oximeters are ubiquitous in hospitals and damn quick to reliably show dangerously low oxygen levels.  People panicking get high results, people short of breath due to pneumonia get low ones.

OK, that ventilators and, in particular intubation, are not the best clinical options may or may not prove to be the case.  At this time there was no better option, since people with not enough oxygen tend to die pretty quickly.  

Well, her assertions, had you watched the entire thing, are more extensive than that. To your list, I would add:

- Yes, anyone coming the the hospital complaining of shortness of breath were treated as 'presumed covid'
- anyone presumed covid were placed in the covid population, sealed off from the outside world, yet kept in close proximity to 'affirmed covid'
- pretty much every person who was in this ward were intubated shortly upon arrival, whether or not demonstrating a clinical need for such
- pretty much everyone who was intubated eventually died
- she believes (yes, that's a soft and fuzzy word) that the ventilators themselves were the proximate cause of death,
- and that a significant portion of these dead did not have covid (i.e. repeatedly tested negative)
- the hospital received a princely sum (I forget - $29K?) for every patient intubated

Yes, it is a single anecdotal report. Is there a rebuttal from anyone in the same hospital? As I said, it has me scratching my head.

[Hueristic]

One more story that has given me a lot of courage, believe me, it is not over yet, more stories will be made.

Mr. Smith worked at a Silicon Valley tech company when he purchased $3,000 worth of Bitcoin in October 2010. “I had no idea how much to invest, but I was getting paid pretty well at the time, so I decided on $3,000.” Because Bitcoin was worth only $0.15 a piece at the time, his initial investment gave him around 20,000 Bitcoins.

From the very start, Mr. Smith knew that he was playing the long game, deciding to see just how high Bitcoin could go. For the next three years, he hodled his investment, only occasionally checking how Bitcoin is performing. But when Bitcoin hit $350, and then $800 just days later, Mr. Smith knew that it wouldn’t be wise to wait any longer.

He cashed out $2.3 million, quit his job

He should never have cashed out as thats worth $190,000,000 today.

OTOH, going from wage slave to 2.3M is categorically different from going from 2.3M and free to 190M and free.

You need 2.3 million to not be a wage slave?

Then you need to re-evaluate your life and how wasteful you are.

There is no reason to not sell the portion he needed to live and increase his cost of living from profits.

^^^If not cashed out what the point of investing, taking it with to the grave?  $190,000,000 today billionare tomorrow.

Try reading this thread and learn something.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255623.0

Jeebus. Is there a tl;dr version?

That is the TLDR, here is the original.

http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/ 

[jbreher]

Can't read the article but banks might have no choice than buying negative yelding bonds to follow rules on holdings. Basically to lend money to "risky" companies and people, they have to hold some "non risky" debt.

Funny that the ECB doesn't offer the same deal to actual people.

[jbreher]

One more story that has given me a lot of courage, believe me, it is not over yet, more stories will be made.

Mr. Smith worked at a Silicon Valley tech company when he purchased $3,000 worth of Bitcoin in October 2010. “I had no idea how much to invest, but I was getting paid pretty well at the time, so I decided on $3,000.” Because Bitcoin was worth only $0.15 a piece at the time, his initial investment gave him around 20,000 Bitcoins.

From the very start, Mr. Smith knew that he was playing the long game, deciding to see just how high Bitcoin could go. For the next three years, he hodled his investment, only occasionally checking how Bitcoin is performing. But when Bitcoin hit $350, and then $800 just days later, Mr. Smith knew that it wouldn’t be wise to wait any longer.

He cashed out $2.3 million, quit his job

He should never have cashed out as thats worth $190,000,000 today.

OTOH, going from wage slave to 2.3M is categorically different from going from 2.3M and free to 190M and free.

You need 2.3 million to not be a wage slave?

Then you need to re-evaluate your life and how wasteful you are.

You go ahead and live your own meager life. I don't need your judgmental ass to tell me how to live mine. Especially as you are telling me how wasteful my postulated $2.3M life is in the next breath after castigating some other schmuck for not waiting til $190M.

Back when I was a wage slave, $3M was my eventual target. I was on track. Then bitcoin happened.

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

One more story that has given me a lot of courage, believe me, it is not over yet, more stories will be made.

Mr. Smith worked at a Silicon Valley tech company when he purchased $3,000 worth of Bitcoin in October 2010. “I had no idea how much to invest, but I was getting paid pretty well at the time, so I decided on $3,000.” Because Bitcoin was worth only $0.15 a piece at the time, his initial investment gave him around 20,000 Bitcoins.

From the very start, Mr. Smith knew that he was playing the long game, deciding to see just how high Bitcoin could go. For the next three years, he hodled his investment, only occasionally checking how Bitcoin is performing. But when Bitcoin hit $350, and then $800 just days later, Mr. Smith knew that it wouldn’t be wise to wait any longer.

He cashed out $2.3 million, quit his job

He should never have cashed out as thats worth $190,000,000 today.

2.3M at 800 would be 2875 bitcoins, not 20k.  So even after cashing out that sum, the dude still had 17000 bitcoins left.  Sheeet

[Hyperjacked]

One more story that has given me a lot of courage, believe me, it is not over yet, more stories will be made.

Mr. Smith worked at a Silicon Valley tech company when he purchased $3,000 worth of Bitcoin in October 2010. “I had no idea how much to invest, but I was getting paid pretty well at the time, so I decided on $3,000.” Because Bitcoin was worth only $0.15 a piece at the time, his initial investment gave him around 20,000 Bitcoins.

From the very start, Mr. Smith knew that he was playing the long game, deciding to see just how high Bitcoin could go. For the next three years, he hodled his investment, only occasionally checking how Bitcoin is performing. But when Bitcoin hit $350, and then $800 just days later, Mr. Smith knew that it wouldn’t be wise to wait any longer.

He cashed out $2.3 million, quit his job

He should never have cashed out as thats worth $190,000,000 today.

OTOH, going from wage slave to 2.3M is categorically different from going from 2.3M and free to 190M and free.

Sounds like your bear butt hairs are wound so tight it’s making you lose your edge...😜


You need 2.3 million to not be a wage slave?

Then you need to re-evaluate your life and how wasteful you are.

You go ahead and live your own meager life. I don't need your judgmental ass to tell me how to live mine. Especially as you are telling me how wasteful my postulated $2.3M life is in the next breath after castigating some other schmuck for not waiting til $190M.

Back when I was a wage slave, $3M was my eventual target. I was on track. Then bitcoin happened.

[JayJuanGee]

One more story that has given me a lot of courage, believe me, it is not over yet, more stories will be made.

Mr. Smith worked at a Silicon Valley tech company when he purchased $3,000 worth of Bitcoin in October 2010. “I had no idea how much to invest, but I was getting paid pretty well at the time, so I decided on $3,000.” Because Bitcoin was worth only $0.15 a piece at the time, his initial investment gave him around 20,000 Bitcoins.

From the very start, Mr. Smith knew that he was playing the long game, deciding to see just how high Bitcoin could go. For the next three years, he hodled his investment, only occasionally checking how Bitcoin is performing. But when Bitcoin hit $350, and then $800 just days later, Mr. Smith knew that it wouldn’t be wise to wait any longer.

He cashed out $2.3 million, quit his job

He should never have cashed out as thats worth $190,000,000 today.

OTOH, going from wage slave to 2.3M is categorically different from going from 2.3M and free to 190M and free.

You need 2.3 million to not be a wage slave?

Then you need to re-evaluate your life and how wasteful you are.

You go ahead and live your own meager life. I don't need your judgmental ass to tell me how to live mine. Especially as you are telling me how wasteful my postulated $2.3M life is in the next breath after castigating some other schmuck for not waiting til $190M.

Back when I was a wage slave, $3M was my eventual target. I was on track. Then bitcoin happened.

Actually, you have a good point there, picnic bear.

I was in a very similar situation, prior to bitcoin, so when I started investing in bitcoin in late 2013, I had considered bitcoin as a kind of supplement to my earlier 401k contributions and the various other investments that I then had, so largely I had considered myself to be on track in terms of the status of my various other investments and my ability to live within comfort with the anticipated income of my various other investments.

I understood bitcoin to be a bit risky, but also to have an upside potential, and I was largely just anticipating that on average bitcoin might go to zero or it might do stupendously, so, on average, if my bitcoin portion merely just performs on par with my various other investments, then I am o.k. either way. 

There is a certain reality that even though my bitcoin proportion was way less than all of the other investments, but at some point its value surpassed the value of all of my other investments combined, and that was not based on anything that I did beyond just taking what I had considered to be a meaningful and significant stake.

So, to me, the whole situation seems to be like doubling, tripling, quadrupling or more the prior anticipated budget.  For sure, I am still prepared that bitcoin could possibly go to zero, but of course, the cushion from the BTC profits has already increased my lifestyle and my standard of living beyond the levels that had been anticipated.

I am neither increasing my stake in bitcoin nor am I taking out considerable amounts of profits, but the ongoing allowance to let my bitcoin investment ride in more or less a seemingly reasonable appreciating state allows my current and my future anticipated standard of living to go up.

Many of us will likely have to learn some ways to spend our money, and I surely am not planning to feel guilty about a seemingly increasing likelihood that my future standard of living that is merely an extension of what has already been realized is likely going to be a whole hell of a lot greater than my earlier expectations... which were not bad (nor uncomfortable) in and of themselves.

By the way, I recall one of our fellow wall observers suggesting that his means were modest, and he could live off of $500k in appreciated bitcoin.  Of course, at today's prices, there would be a need for more than 50 BTC, but of course, if bitcoin gets even some modest price performance up from here, then 5BTC  to 10BTC might be sufficient to establish such $500k - even though, as discussed earlier, it still remains important to consider cushions and all of that, and hopefully before such person were to pull the fuck you lever, then a $500k valuation would be based on either a floor BTC price or at least the assets have been significantly diversified to feel comfort that a $500k valuation would be based on a floor price.  An irony is that person had recently sold all of his BTC and currently only has a modest BTC position, so it could take more time and efforts to reach the personal goals (even if such personal goals can of course be shifted too, based on changed circumstances and/or changed considerations).

[Tash]

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Well, her assertions, had you watched the entire thing, are more extensive than that. To your list, I would add:

- Yes, anyone coming the the hospital complaining of shortness of breath were treated as 'presumed covid'
- anyone presumed covid were placed in the covid population, sealed off from the outside world, yet kept in close proximity to 'affirmed covid'
- pretty much every person who was in this ward were intubated shortly upon arrival, whether or not demonstrating a clinical need for such
- pretty much everyone who was intubated eventually died
- she believes (yes, that's a soft and fuzzy word) that the ventilators themselves were the proximate cause of death,
- and that a significant portion of these dead did not have covid (i.e. repeatedly tested negative)
- the hospital received a princely sum (I forget - $29K?) for every patient intubated

Yes, it is a single anecdotal report. Is there a rebuttal from anyone in the same hospital? As I said, it has me scratching my head.

Huoshenshan, the temporary hospital built in Wuhan was another "Hotel California" you checked in but never out.
There where 3 stages, the first, the largest just waiting until things got worse, no medication,
once things bad enough move to the next room sedation/intubation no med and wait until its over. The back part of the “hospital” where the ovens.

A normal oxygen saturation level is above 96%, at 88% it becomes a medical emergency  and hospitals will shaft a tube down the throat

Since early April its known intubation kills the patient
NY ER doc  about COVID dis ease
https://vimeo.com/402537849

NYC ventilator is euthanasia claims nurse
https://archive.org/details/nurse_testifies_COVID_murder_in_hospitals

~90% of patients put on ventilator die not of any virus but the lungs clott more with the air pushed in
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator
In some countries (Russia...) relatives receive money if they sign death cert for Covid and a no discloser agreement


COVID-19 is not a acute viral pneumonia impacting the respiratory system but rather an inflammation-based immunological response that leads to thrombosis (clotting in the lungs) which kills the patient. Inflammation and the ticking (clotting) of Blood prevents it from carrying oxygen and the patient eventually die of asphyxiation.
German autopsy report    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2003

Covid and pulmonary tuberculosis
https://coronacircus.com/2020/05/03/coronacircus-revisionism-chapter-three-pulmonary-tuberculosis/

Acidosis
https://youtu.be/YUku6l9OmHk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidosis

[fonship]

this thread is so active and valuable. The only issue I face is, if I come after a few days, I don't know if anyone mentioned me anywhere.
anyone uses anything which notifies if someone mentions on the forum, like on this thread.

You might want to check LoyceV's mention notification bot:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209773

Thank you, will try to set up this over the weekend. Little complex 

[aesma]

people who end up intubated stand a real chance of dying.

Hmm. I'm not really trying to argue that you are wrong. I'm currently hunkered down. While I resent what I feel is government overreach in the liberty/safety balance, I'm happy enough to be careful on my own recognizance. But the following had me scratching my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ

I realize that this is an uncorroborated report, and it is anecdotal if true, at that. But it seems sincere, and has me questioning the entire medical response to this thing. At least in my mind.


edit: I see Tash beat me to it. Whatevs.

Just looked over a few minutes - and it seems the initial premise is that people marked negative for test were still 'presumed' Covid positive.   

OK, but...  it is entirely plausible that:

1. People were not tested, but obviously suffering classic symptoms.

2. Test results were taking hours (at best) to even come back - if someone is an emergency admission and short of breath at dangerous levels - as a doctor, you need to act and make a decision. I assume we are not arguing that thousands of people were dying.

3. Tests were simply not showing positive, since they were unreliable.   A positive test is rarely wrong, but false negatives do exist - tests were then (and are still) not infallible.

Her assertion that they were not ill and were only short of breath 'due to stress' is a bit of a stretch IMHO.  Testing being fallible - or (because of time taken to even get results) being skipped in cases where someone is obviously lacking blood oxygen, seems a more likely explanation than deliberately using up ventilators for people with no real need. 
Pulse oximeters are ubiquitous in hospitals and damn quick to reliably show dangerously low oxygen levels.  People panicking get high results, people short of breath due to pneumonia get low ones.

OK, that ventilators and, in particular intubation, are not the best clinical options may or may not prove to be the case.  At this time there was no better option, since people with not enough oxygen tend to die pretty quickly. 

Well, her assertions, had you watched the entire thing, are more extensive than that. To your list, I would add:

- Yes, anyone coming the the hospital complaining of shortness of breath were treated as 'presumed covid'
- anyone presumed covid were placed in the covid population, sealed off from the outside world, yet kept in close proximity to 'affirmed covid'
- pretty much every person who was in this ward were intubated shortly upon arrival, whether or not demonstrating a clinical need for such
- pretty much everyone who was intubated eventually died
- she believes (yes, that's a soft and fuzzy word) that the ventilators themselves were the proximate cause of death,
- and that a significant portion of these dead did not have covid (i.e. repeatedly tested negative)
- the hospital received a princely sum (I forget - $29K?) for every patient intubated

Yes, it is a single anecdotal report. Is there a rebuttal from anyone in the same hospital? As I said, it has me scratching my head.

Plenty of people have recovered after intubation (in my country at least) so saying that all almost died is already a problem (not saying it's not true, but something else must have happened).

Intubated people die in significant number in normal times, because intubated people are gravely ill (aside from routine surgeries of course).

It seems that with COVID, intubation might sometimes cause more harm than good, and positive pressure oxygen therapy should be favored if possible, at least at first.

Blood thinners might help with the blood oxygen issue.

If someone with COVID symptoms died intubated, then it is very likely that they were indeed COVID+.

[degxtra1]

Your map disagrees and is drawn on toilet paper and smeared in shit.

I'm too old to compete with you on insults level. However it's highly appreciated you introduced yourself in that manner.

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

this thread is so active and valuable. The only issue I face is, if I come after a few days, I don't know if anyone mentioned me anywhere.
anyone uses anything which notifies if someone mentions on the forum, like on this thread.

Yeah, also a feature I have missed (along with seeing if someone replied to/quoted your posts).

[serveria.com]

This could be big:
https://angel.co/today/stories/wirecard-ceo-resigns-after-banks-say-missing-2-billion-doesn-t-exist-24442

These guys were issuing quite a number of BTC friendly debit cards. Potentially a WaveCrest 2018 crisis returns?  

P.S. Here's a better link: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/19/wirecard-ceo-markus-braun-resigns-as-company-share-price-collapses.html

[gentlemand]

This could be big:

Hopefully everyone who uses one learnt their lesson from Wavecrest and does not run their life through one. I remember tales of people stuck in Cambodia with no other form of payment when those cards evaporated. Bit silly.

Wirex Europe uses a different company. Coinbase'll be fine too.

[aesma]

2 billions euros in a Philippine bank, makes total sense !