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July 23, 2023, 12:29:07 PM

my fear is second layer will not be fixed properly
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when ltc/doge is designed to never vanish.

BTW This is why JJG always attacks me as he knows that long term on paper right now.

LTC/Doge has a better design than BTC.

but beta was said to be better than vhs.

So BTC can still prevail.

I stack more BTC than Doge and LTC.


Fuck Phil you keep spewing this bullshit about your shitcoins, don't you realize by now your the only one that believes that bullshit?

Or I am man enough to admit the scaling issues exist and I plan for it.  Does it mean I have 60k worth of btc and 60k worth of LTC and 60K worth of Doge no.

But I have  BTC and LTC and Doge.

I stack the three of them via mining.

If you want to be 100% BTC and trust that the developers fix the scaling issue cool.

If I want to be 80% BTC and 10% LTC and 10% Doge it is equally cool. Plus I will Talk about it here on this thread.

At JJG BTW  I have 4x BTC compared to the iBonds. I am fine with that.

If I have 3 coins stacking
a mining farm
Some silver stacking
A home
a 401k
with 3 pensions which My wife and I do we are diversified not a big issue.

To talk about it not a big deal
To mention it on this thread not a big deal.


If I could I would sell the 3 pensions as they are all fed gov and I no longer trust the fed gov. but USA fed pensions are not allowed to sell.

That's a personal choice by the way, but still I must say that Bitcoin was built better than Dogecoin and the Lite coin is just the little child born out of the idea of Bitcoin, and there is still no other coin comparable to Bitcoin because they all are dependent on it while it's independent on any of those.

You finally agreed that you hold more Bitcoin than all the others that you mentioned in your previous responses, and that proves that Bitcoin is still more important even for you than all those other investments because from the core of your heart you still believe, and that's also a fact that Bitcoin will give you more returns than all of those combined.

I still think that Lite coin has some potential because it was built by keeping the code of Bitcoin in mind and it's a lot similar to Bitcoin than all those other crypto-currencies. I don't think that Doge is a good investment because its price was pumped only because of Elon Musk and GameStop, and the thing is totally useless as compare to Bitcoin.
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July 23, 2023, 01:06:19 PM

If I want to be 80% BTC and 10% LTC and 10% Doge it is equally cool. Plus I will Talk about it here on this thread.

I think you've earned the right to do that.

Me maybe not as much.

I do respect the institution of the WO Thread and am fine with the philosophy that there is Bitcoin and then there are Shitcoins. However, some shitcoins are better than others. I know its already a controversial statement, so that's all I'm gonna say about it.


Jesus on a pogo stick, it never ends with these guys
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The reason for my post should be seen in context, and philip has frequently repeated his nonsense that bitcoin is likely going to show broken incentives in around 2050/2060 because the mining rewards are going to be so low that miners are not going to want to mine bitcoin and they will be incentivized to mine POW shitcoins such as litecoin and doggie coin.. and saying dumb shit like that.. so I am reinforcing his dumb ideas through my post.
Bitcoin will grow much more in price then. The block reward will be 0.02441406 in 2052. Currently, the miners getting around $187K for a block; who knows what will be the bitcoin price in 2052? Maybe 0.0244 won't be worth $187K. Maybe this is what he is fearing.

my fear is second layer will not be fixed properly.

if a block is 0.0244 btc and it is worth 244,000 that would mean a coin is 10 million.

the smallest fee is about 227 sats. so the smallest you pay for a fee is. $ 227

This means btc will need tweaks to work.

I am not going to get into miners growing and growing to protect btc.

but if coins are 10 million and say 20.5 million are mined we have a cap of

205 million at ten bucks
2050 million at one hundred bucks
20.500  billion at one thousand
205.00 billion at ten thousand
2.0500 trillion at 100 thousand
20.500 trillion at 1 million
205.00 trillion at 10 million

so a you want lots of miners to protect 205 trillion

lets say gear does 5 watts in 2056 much like cars and miles per gallon there is a limit to how low watts a miner uses.

so if gear does 30 now  the same amount of units and power the diff jumps to 320 trillion but no extra value  
to the entire network’s infrastructure.

mining infrastructure must grow to protect the new higher cap.

make it stagnant and the value of the cap is poorly protected.

so if market cap is 550 billion and grows to 200 trillion by 2052.

miner infrastructure of 10 billion  should be. 4 trillion

55 to 1 . coin to gear now.

50 to 4 coin to gear in the future.

roughly 400 to 1 more infrastructure and 6 to 1 efficient means diff is not 6x it is 2400x

right now we burn  about 10,000 megawatts an hour.

we are not going to scale to 24,000,000 megawatts.

just one problem.

and if cold fusion works and we have that much power why spend it mining a vanishing coin

when ltc/doge is designed to never vanish.

BTW This is why JJG always attacks me as he knows that long term on paper right now.

LTC/Doge has a better design than BTC.

but beta was said to be better than vhs.

So BTC can still prevail.

I stack more BTC than Doge and LTC.

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 Betamax was technologically, ever-so-slightly better than VHS; the tapes were smaller, there was less noise and the resolution was slightly, theoretically higher.  It also had first mover advantage by ~2 years.  The problem?  It was proprietary - controlled by one corporation: Sony and their licensing fees kept the price higher.  JVC (Japan Victor Corp) released VHS as an opensource collaboration and so VHS won out... of course they're both dead now  Embarrassed   Oops, I guess there's no applicable lesson here for Bitcoin!


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Betamax was technologically, ever-so-slightly better than VHS; the tapes were smaller, there was less noise and the resolution was slightly, theoretically higher.  It also had first mover advantage by ~2 years.  The problem?  It was proprietary - controlled by one corporation: Sony and their licensing fees kept the price higher.  JVC (Japan Victor Corp) released VHS as an opensource collaboration and so VHS won out... of course they're both dead now  Embarrassed   Oops, I guess there's no applicable lesson here for Bitcoin!

Betamax also controlled licensing for tapes and did a lot to prevent porn from being distributed on Beta. VHS had no problem with porn, and here we are.

Big lesson there....
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Betamax was technologically, ever-so-slightly better than VHS; the tapes were smaller, there was less noise and the resolution was slightly, theoretically higher.  It also had first mover advantage by ~2 years.  The problem?  It was proprietary - controlled by one corporation: Sony and their licensing fees kept the price higher.  JVC (Japan Victor Corp) released VHS as an opensource collaboration and so VHS won out... of course they're both dead now  Embarrassed   Oops, I guess there's no applicable lesson here for Bitcoin!

Betamax also controlled licensing for tapes and did a lot to prevent porn from being distributed on Beta. VHS had no problem with porn, and here we are.

Big lesson there....

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That's a fair point.
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Today the 200-week moving average is right around $27k, so if we double it every 4 years then we would get.

2028 = $54k
...

2056 = $6,912k


In that scenario 0.0244 BTC would be worth around $168,653 ($6,912k * 0.244), so that number would be in the ballpark of $187k but that would not account for the likelihood that $187k would not be worth even close to that amount.. ..   Too complicated to resolve all of the accounting presumptions that would be needed to be made?

I added with you new year just 2026 = $216k.

I'm not an expert in all these things but my guess is that the target will exceed $200k in the next 4 years, I don't really know how it will happen, but if the past growth is 3-4x price growth then it will definitely exceed the target of $200k.




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so often I read or hear that someone believes in Bitcoin... And every time I have this strange feeling, the feeling I get when I hear religious nutters making unfounded claims.

do these I-believe-in-Bitcoin-people actually realize that it's like saying "I believe in my refrigerator", "I believe in my shit flushing toilet", and so on?

Man, it's just a functioning "thing" that will be used by humans as long as it's beneficiary over alternatives...  no wonder Bitcoiners tend to be seen as cultists.

Nobody sees people as "toilet cultists", because they'd never want to live without it and value it over any alternative...


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Who are these WOers,
Who praise DOGE and Litecoin?
Don't they know nuttin'?

I own some Litecoin.
Have held it for many years.
Currently in loss...

Same with Monero.
Still own about 30 coins.
Half their value lost...

So I say to all:
Don't be fooled by semantics.
One coin rules them all!

And yet if you still,
Give merits to said shitcoins,
Just flush when you're done!

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