Third alt coin thread last two were too big. Builds links thoughts etc

[philipma1957]

Hey Philipma, quick question, how do you source your hard drives with Windows operating systems?  I need like 5 of them, but am having trouble getting my hands on them.

It all depends on if it is a real pc or a miner.

if all it does is mine  I use small used ssds on eBay.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-10-MICRON-P400e-64GB-6GBPS-SATA-1-8-SSD-FOR-HP-2530P-2540P-2730P-/382012380100?

these will need a proper cables/adapter but will be good for mining only  17 each

Adapters are two or three bucks.

So 20 a drive grab the ten. And have spares.

wow -- this is a good catch Phil.

Funny that the m2sata lot of 10 you found previously is like 10 bucks -- so cheaper than this - but need mobo that support m2.

EDIT: my bad, the m2 were 8gb ones vs this nice small ssds 64gb - more than enough for smos.

this is a good deal for windows as they are 64gb

they need a 2 dollar adapter and a windows key  but  a 64 gb  with windows 7 pro installed is decent price.

 takes about 90 minutes   to get to the updates as  you need to do the first long update  to set the key. 

That long update is slow and painstaking . 3-4 hours.  once it is done you can  put the key in  which will stay..

I rather do smOS  but with my two nvidia rigs I am doing   windows 7 pro.

[citronick]

Saw this on NH Twitter feed...

NiceHash‏ @NiceHashMining 19h19 hours ago
Top earners from our lab:
Innosilicon A4 Dom. (~$19.30/day), [#GPU] #NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti (~$4.06/day) and [#CPU] #AMD #Ryzen 7 (~$0.86/day)

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Seems that if you let NH Windows Miner do the auto-profit switching ... 1080ti gets $4 per day? seems low

Letting this GPU do only ZEC mining may well be much higher than this.

[Marvell1]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

its a POS to undervolt in liniux unless you are gpu rom master

[deadsix]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

[FFI2013]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

[philipma1957]

Saw this on NH Twitter feed...

NiceHash‏ @NiceHashMining 19h19 hours ago
Top earners from our lab:
Innosilicon A4 Dom. (~$19.30/day), [#GPU] #NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti (~$4.06/day) and [#CPU] #AMD #Ryzen 7 (~$0.86/day)

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Seems that if you let NH Windows Miner do the auto-profit switching ... 1080ti gets $4 per day? seems low

Letting this GPU do only ZEC mining may well be much higher than this.

My position on switching software is that it sucks and always is chasing the hot coin. ie  don't use it.

My zec is 7000h at the moment making about 49 a day 1888 of that is 3 080 ti's  so 1888/7000 x 49 = 13.21 x ⅓ = $ 4.40 per day

That is 10% higher on lower clocks  I can get my 3 1080 ti's to do 2060  but they run hotter.

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

all my smOS  use setting 0 for power running zec all are clocked on the low side.

power savings and heat are achieved.

If I had a partner to do custom roms  I would consider doing them.  But in general doing custom roms can cause a lot of issues.
Like you I run windows  also and if you set win 7 and or win 10 correctly they are okay.
I prefer smOS since I can access my rigs from all over the world  and change settings fast.

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

I like win 7 better as it is easier to avoid updates then win 10.

I did a lot of research on stopping win 10 updates  and I can keep them down to 1 or 2 a month at worst.  but they fuck with virus settings and once in a while wipe stuff out.  I did a  lot of research to stop this from happening  and most of the time it works.

Some windows 10 are custom  for the gear lenovo  has a nice little  pc the m700  but the win 10 in it sucks. I am always having to fuck with it.


I think the most challenging for me in mining is the software  it is endless which huge choices  and time consuming.

[d57heinz]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

there sure is.  Hit win + x.  then click system.  goto advanced system settings. click the hardware tab.  then click device installation settings.  Then click no.  This will disable all device upgrades.  I still have windows updates tho for the rest of the system.  about every 3-4 days.  Really annoying.  back in the day we would consider windows 10 malware.

BR

[philipma1957]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

there sure is.  Hit win + x.  then click system.  goto advanced system settings. click the hardware tab.  then click device installation settings.  Then click no.  This will disable all device upgrades.  I still have windows updates tho for the rest of the system.  about every 3-4 days.  Really annoying.  back in the day we would consider windows 10 malware.

BR

Yeah  stopping windows 10 from fucking you around is harder then windows 7
I also set  the virus to  not scan  every drive which mostly works.
but sometimes it scans and deletes.  so I put all mining soft ware into  a pair of folders  mining1 and mining1a

then put those into  a folder mining2x.

I then   told all virus defender etc  to not scan  mining 2x  and to not scan mining1 and mining 1a  that stopped deleting my mining software.




Off topic completely  but my thread.  I just put this up for sale.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1868593.msg18573666#msg18573666

this card is 40 days old

[d57heinz]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

there sure is.  Hit win + x.  then click system.  goto advanced system settings. click the hardware tab.  then click device installation settings.  Then click no.  This will disable all device upgrades.  I still have windows updates tho for the rest of the system.  about every 3-4 days.  Really annoying.  back in the day we would consider windows 10 malware.

BR

Yeah  stopping windows 10 from fucking you around is harder then windows 7
I also set  the virus to  not scan  every drive which mostly works.
but sometimes it scans and deletes.  so I put all mining soft ware into  a pair of folders  mining1 and mining1a

then put those into  a folder mining2x.

I then   told all virus defender etc  to not scan  mining 2x  and to not scan mining1 and mining 1a  that stopped deleting my mining software.




Off topic completely  but my thread.  I just put this up for sale.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1868593.msg18573666#msg18573666

this card is 40 days old

yeah my norton does same thing.  i had to not only tell it to stop deleting from a certain folder but also the file.  Every now and again it will delete the file for zecminer anyway.  i dont get that at all.  maybe i try the multiple folders deep trick.  Seems the first folder doesnt stick.  thats funny you say that cuz my zec 12.4 folder within the 2.1 zec folder never gets deleted.  ever since 2.1 i just copy over the files but norton never seems to mess with the sub folders within the folder you exclude.  hmmm weird

BR

[philipma1957]

I am not sure why people are obsessing with Windows.
Get a single Linux CD (if you don't want to download) or usb and install on 50 machines..much higher uptime and NO idiotic restarts (granted, this is more of a Win 10 problem).

I do not know how/why so many people have such bad experiences on windows. The only time my windows rigs hanged or restarted was in the beginning when I was figuring out optimal settings. Since then all 10 of them have been almost flawlessly up for 8+ months, barring the occassional hardware failure.

Almost all the advocates of Linus based OS'es like SMOS and ethOS etc DO NOT UNDER CLOCK/VOLT and just simply let the cards run at stock clocks/volts with cards consuming upto 40% more power for almost the same performance, and love it because they have to do very little.

I've been running the same win7 install for 2yrs I tried win 10 but I hate that to change drivers you have to unplug internet so it doesn't automatically update is there a work around for this also which win do you like better 7 or 10

there sure is.  Hit win + x.  then click system.  goto advanced system settings. click the hardware tab.  then click device installation settings.  Then click no.  This will disable all device upgrades.  I still have windows updates tho for the rest of the system.  about every 3-4 days.  Really annoying.  back in the day we would consider windows 10 malware.

BR

Yeah  stopping windows 10 from fucking you around is harder then windows 7
I also set  the virus to  not scan  every drive which mostly works.
but sometimes it scans and deletes.  so I put all mining soft ware into  a pair of folders  mining1 and mining1a

then put those into  a folder mining2x.

I then   told all virus defender etc  to not scan  mining 2x  and to not scan mining1 and mining 1a  that stopped deleting my mining software.




Off topic completely  but my thread.  I just put this up for sale.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1868593.msg18573666#msg18573666

this card is 40 days old

yeah my norton does same thing.  i had to not only tell it to stop deleting from a certain folder but also the file.  Every now and again it will delete the file for zecminer anyway.  i dont get that at all.  maybe i try the multiple folders deep trick.  Seems the first folder doesnt stick.  thats funny you say that cuz my zec 12.4 folder within the 2.1 zec folder never gets deleted.  ever since 2.1 i just copy over the files but norton never seems to mess with the sub folders within the folder you exclude.  hmmm weird

BR

yeah the software  can drive you nuts.
i have yet to sit down  and do  a burst mine simply because I don't want to spend a few days to figure it out.  I have over 60tb in idle drives  so it would earn some coin.

[citronick]

During my Windows days, I use Google Drive and MS Onedrive to store a active production copy of all my miners folders (config, settings etc.)

So for every rig, I have a startup batch file that points to the cloud folder and runs the batch file that I want the rigs to execute.

So far I didn't have a folder in cloud deleted by AV or Win10.

Also by using this common batch file to point at the correct mining folder in the cloud storage, all rigs runs the same copy of Claymore miner for each rig. This made my ssd clones consistent for all rigs.

The auto update and random restarts without permission by W10 really pissed me off and that's the time I started using Linux, ethOS, smOS, Ubuntu..... Finally, I have settled with smOS for my farm of 33 rigs.

[DebitMe]

Gosh I just need to get one of my computer engineer friends to be my network engineer.  I just am having trouble after trouble with these damn things.  Maybe I will keep playing around with EthOS to see if I can figure out why my one rig won't run for more than an hour with it, but is fine with all other rigs.  I ended up getting that same rig running on a windows 7 install yesterday and it only ran for about 2 hours.  Maybe on eof the cards is going bad.

[philipma1957]

Gosh I just need to get one of my computer engineer friends to be my network engineer.  I just am having trouble after trouble with these damn things.  Maybe I will keep playing around with EthOS to see if I can figure out why my one rig won't run for more than an hour with it, but is fine with all other rigs.  I ended up getting that same rig running on a windows 7 install yesterday and it only ran for about 2 hours.  Maybe on eof the cards is going bad.

details on the bad rig

I have had 3 mobos maybe 4 mobos since 2012 have shut down issues  that were not solved.

I have had 10 or 11 I figured out.



Fast guess switch out the psu.

Some psu's fade and shut down  in 30 minutes to 6 hours.

[DebitMe]

Gosh I just need to get one of my computer engineer friends to be my network engineer.  I just am having trouble after trouble with these damn things.  Maybe I will keep playing around with EthOS to see if I can figure out why my one rig won't run for more than an hour with it, but is fine with all other rigs.  I ended up getting that same rig running on a windows 7 install yesterday and it only ran for about 2 hours.  Maybe on eof the cards is going bad.

details on the bad rig

I have had 3 mobos maybe 4 mobos since 2012 have shut down issues  that were not solved.

I have had 10 or 11 I figured out.



Fast guess switch out the psu.

Some psu's fade and shut down  in 30 minutes to 6 hours.

Have had it for about a month and a half, when it came, it came with a server case which I used, but temps were regularly in the 80 degrees C range, which I meant to fix, but never got around to.  One day I got home from work and the thing was shut down and would not start up.  I bought a package from GPUshack to get it going again since I couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, and it started up with EthOS that came with it, but never ran for more than an hour.  I switched the EthOS SSD to my other rig and it ran all night.  So i plugged in the rig I switched it with's SSD (Windows 10) and it only detected 3 out of 5 cards.  I plugged in a hard drive with Windows 7 and it detected 4 out of 5 cards.  Tried to install drivers to fix that, but they didn't install.  So ran the rig last night with just 4 cards to at least let it run and it restarted itself after about 2 hours.

[yslyung]

OP pls PM me with address & TELEPHONE number !

I have address but it will be good if you could PM me again together with contact number.

i had issues parcel being stuck at Hong Kong transit center just because a receiver contact number was not available.

Apologies to VG54DETT . . . parcel is MOVING now. I will msg the courier again tmr to make sure their butts moves ! it should arrive UK & 1 more transit to you soon.

@ d57heinz aka ketchupman, pm me what you need.

yes guys, i have some shipping/courier issues sorted out. Shipping is much faster, easier & convenient for me now.

[philipma1957]

OP pls PM me with address & TELEPHONE number !

I have address but it will be good if you could PM me again together with contact number.

i had issues parcel being stuck at Hong Kong transit center just because a receiver contact number was not available.

Apologies to VG54DETT . . . parcel is MOVING now. I will msg the courier again tmr to make sure their butts moves ! it should arrive UK & 1 more transit to you soon.

@ d57heinz aka ketchupman, pm me what you need.

yes guys, i have some shipping/courier issues sorted out. Shipping is much faster, easier & convenient for me now.

pm sent

[deadsix]

I did a lot of research on stopping win 10 updates  and I can keep them down to 1 or 2 a month at worst.  but they fuck with virus settings and once in a while wipe stuff out.  I did a  lot of research to stop this from happening  and most of the time it works.

Add the folder where you keep all your mining SW to Windows Defender exclusion list (in my case I keep desktop in exclusion). Problem solved.

[philipma1957]

I did a lot of research on stopping win 10 updates  and I can keep them down to 1 or 2 a month at worst.  but they fuck with virus settings and once in a while wipe stuff out.  I did a  lot of research to stop this from happening  and most of the time it works.

Add the folder where you keep all your mining SW to Windows Defender exclusion list (in my case I keep desktop in exclusion). Problem solved.

yeah  I do that  but I find  double nesting it works better


exclude

desktop
mining software2x
mining 1
mining 2

but  I still prefer windows 7 over 10

I am retired I do have time to read and check out different software  but there is so freaking much it gets tiring.

I am playing with the nvidia 1080 ti rig  3 cards it is a beast.  606 watts 1888-1906 h  pretty steady


I am building a lessor one it will be zotac 1060 mini and zotac 1080 mini

 or maybe 2 zotac 1060 minis and one 1080mini


or maybe
1 1060 ------- comes today
1 1070
1 1080 ------- in hand

[vapourminer]

Add the folder where you keep all your mining SW to Windows Defender exclusion list (in my case I keep desktop in exclusion). Problem solved.

all my miners go under a "_miners" folder and i add that folder, plus my downloads folder, to the avast ignore list. havent has an over paranoid antivirus delete it yet.

[JaredKaragen]

For the last 5 years, I have not run virus protection.   On many machines it can eat up a LOT of system resources and compute time unnecessarily.

In 10 and 7, I always disable defender as well.  I know what some will say;  and frankly, I don't care... lol.   It works for me, and I have yet to get bugs on machines that mine or do their own tasks without user intervention.

I haven't gotten a virus.bug in a LONG time now....   I always check stuff in a sandbox before I use them on my real machines.

The days of the MSG_OOB bug and the like are far behind us....

I know there's always exploitable holes in windows;  but they aren't as system/kernel deep as they used to be.


But on friends machines that want to earn a few bucks with their GPU, I have to do the same before I even try to download the scripts and miners,  add a custom folder to the ignore list on defender, spyware and virus apps.

It's annoying how botnets caused cpuminer and sometimes ccminer to be seen as a virus.   I personally am curious as to what heuristic they use to detect a miner app.   It can possibly be changed with a little code shuffling in the app.

Also by using this common batch file to point at the correct mining folder in the cloud storage, all rigs runs the same copy of Claymore miner for each rig. This made my ssd clones consistent for all rigs.

are you passing an argv/argc to the batch via command line to have a rig identifier to distinguish them online? something like: "X:\>miner.bat RackMiner-1"??
In zpool I can add a miner/worker name to the password string to identify which miner is online and not.
I like your idea of leaving it on GD and executing remotely....   The cloud is a wondrous thing, but I don't like leaving my important things in others' hands... lol.