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Community Project Proposal: Nimiq XNimiqX is composed of six projects. The main project is Nimiq APIs (https://www.nimiqx.com/), which is a simple, mostly RESTful JSON API for interacting with Nimiq blockchain, accessed over HTTPS from the api.nimiqx.com domain. It has around two millions requests monthly for now.
The Nimiq Community Funding Board will meet next meet.
Join our community to discuss the proposal and ask questions to the dev who submitted it: Telegram | Discord Please Read
Nimiq is the first browser blockchain.
That means apps based on Nimiq can run directly in the browser of the user, locally, without the need of a server-side application.
Since its launch, this have been an informative/discussion thread.
In January these group of users were created with the sole purpose of spreading FUD in this thread:
nimiqshitcoin, coinfanatic, andrewjaxx, john.btc, sasha.new, Scamiq, Scamiq2, matthewgpu
As you might have noticed they always use unnecessarily aggressive language, huge red bold fonts and empty claims instead of serious questions.
Team Nimiq have answered here their non-factual claims. Also held a live Reddit AMA session recently (they decided not to participate) where all questions were answered.
There is also a blog post with a summary of the AMA.
Nimiq welcome all newcomers, invite them to ask questions, and would like to apologize for these users behavior and any inconvenience they might cause.
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February 17, 2019, 11:15:41 AM |
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These people from the "team nimiq" must be really stupid. They will pay about $30,000 to two developers to open-source an existing closed-source gpu miner. Sushi pool is shit because they worked only for profit. They built the miner already but keeping it closed source. Now they are asking about $30,000 to open source their "cool project". What a fail project and how greedy "sushi guys" are.
It is clear now, everybody is looking to milk the cash cow in a way or another. The project will become bankrupt until the end of this year. By the end of this year, no progress will be done and their new report will show: 4 million dollars in the bank account from ICO investors. Next year bankruptcy 100%
shitcoin with shit progress
yes yes. open source community developppers ask $30,000 to open source gpu miner. big big fail for team nimiq. they are wasting all their money. ico money will be gone soon. burning rate is already $250,000. now is bigger
the cannabis pothead ) is the President of the Nimiq foundation and their boss. Somehow they not admit him as a boss. |
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February 17, 2019, 11:25:34 AM |
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1- We haven't banned anybody. We don't censor users ever, if we did they would be here or in Reddit showing proof.
THE BIGGEST LIE OF THE YEARThis is definitely the biggest lie these people said. They have banned hudrends of people on: discord, telegram, reddit and deleted youtube messages. Nimiq is one of the most censored project. People have been banned and many posted complains on Reddit and Bitcointalk that they have been banned requesting access before. Wasn't @coinfanatic banned on telegram months ago ? https://i.imgur.com/dTVlDvT.pngFrom Reddit. I was personally accused of being a Robin sockpuppet by a telegram mod, for coming into the channel to support him after I read his reddit post. Before being banned I was never given the chance to prove that I wasn't Robin, which would have been trivial--I could have responded with an audio recording of my voice, which would have made it pretty darn obvious I wasn't him--I'm Australian. (Although I completly lost my cool and told one of the mods to fuck themselves as a result of the accusation which may have been the main reason I was banned).
I participated in the ICO, and expressed my concern for the uselessness of the browser miner after launch when it became clear it was a boondoggle. Like many infrequent users of telegram, I deleted my account. I have always had a foot in the webdollar camp as well as the nimiq camp and am critical of both (and so was also accused of being a webdollar shill). Also my account creation was before any of this Robin drama kicked off [but I suppose you'd say that Robin was creating sockpuppets in preparation for the drama].
All this demonstrates is the community is paranoid enough to be so sure that Robin sockpuppeting as to accuse a random users of being him. I never made any personal attacks on Philip or Elion. I demanded to know how much Richy was being paid, and he refused to answer. I can't even remember which mod I told to "fuck you" after the accusation.
All of this says a lot about the honesty with which the team are going to answer any of these AMA questions, of which Robin was the catalyst.
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Hi u/btrs_88,
I feel sorry that you had a bad experience in our community. The telegram mods have a hard time with a lot of people only joining to watch and deepen the drama. Especially from the BitcoinTalk community, a lot of FUDers joined the community channels. However, please note that the Telegram moderators are not part of the Nimiq Team and only tried to protect the team and the community. Calling them bad words certainly doesn't help in such situations. I guess you can ask mods to unban your account in a friendly way, soon. Most of the drama will probably be over after the AmA, so mods can get back to the usual approach.
This situation is extraordinary for all of us, so please pardon those that didn't handle it perfectly. There, unfortunately, are no instructions how to handle such things.
They ban the shit out of people. Probably their moderators and the team banned hudrends of people who asked legit questions about their structure and organisation. Even now we don't have an official statement describing the Nimiq Foundation members. Who is President? Is Robin Linus the President (of course, but they don't want to disclose this) The project is a bad joke and a scam. Sweep all their dirt under the carpet. They always lie. Now they tell us: "we never banned people". Screw you. I have been personally banned on Telegram and Reddit! Many other ICO investors had been banned as well on Telegram by Richy, you and other moderators. JUST BE FRANK AND ADMIT THE TRUTH We don't censor users. Proof of that is that you, with all your effort, can only find one isolated case of a user that was banned because he behaved like a FUDer (like you, what a coincidence!). If there were hundreds of people banned and censored users in our community then they will be a lot of angry people here, not just a couple of FUDers talking between each other  The truth? You probably got banned a month ago for doing the same annoying thing you do here but in our Telegram group. Then complained about it in reddit and posted it here trying to look like a different person  You can't censor us on bitcointalk. That the reason why If you could have censored us, all our accounts and all our messages would have been removed a long time ago. You are full of shit. Only lies are coming from your mouth. You have banned me on Reddit, Telegram, and Discord. I know that you also remove comments from Youtube. You are not only censoring your community, but you are perpetuating a con artist game deceiving people and investors. You are playing with fire and people's money. |
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February 17, 2019, 02:34:03 PM |
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These people from the "team nimiq" must be really stupid. They will pay about $30,000 to two developers to open-source an existing closed-source gpu miner. Sushi pool is shit because they worked only for profit. They built the miner already but keeping it closed source. Now they are asking about $30,000 to open source their "cool project". What a fail project and how greedy "sushi guys" are.
It is clear now, everybody is looking to milk the cash cow in a way or another. The project will become bankrupt until the end of this year. By the end of this year, no progress will be done and their new report will show: 4 million dollars in the bank account from ICO investors. Next year bankruptcy 100%
shitcoin with shit progress
yes yes. open source community developppers ask $30,000 to open source gpu miner. big big fail for team nimiq. they are wasting all their money. ico money will be gone soon. burning rate is already $250,000. now is bigger
the cannabis pothead ) is the President of the Nimiq foundation and their boss. Somehow they not admit him as a boss.You seem to be complaining only about someone sending a proposal to the Nimiq Community Funding Board. Nimiq is passionate about being inclusive and empowering people to make a difference, so anyone can send proposals to the Community Funding Board. Which has on it Community Representatives. The meeting of the Community Board will be next week and they will decide what to do with the proposal  Concerning big bold red FUD
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Since its launch, this have been an informative/discussion thread.
In January these group of users were created with the sole purpose of spreading FUD in this thread:
nimiqshitcoin, coinfanatic, andrewjaxx, john.btc, sasha.new, Scamiq, Scamiq2, matthewgpu
As you might have noticed they always use unnecessarily aggressive language, huge red bold fonts and empty claims instead of serious questions.
Team Nimiq have answered here their non-factual claims. Also held a live Reddit AMA session recently (they decided not to participate) where all questions were answered.
There is also a blog post with a summary of the AMA.
Nimiq welcome all newcomers, invite them to ask questions, and would like to apologize for these users behavior and any inconvenience they might cause. |
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yes yes. another day with no answers to this facts. they hide everything. when you ask questions they want to move you on discord where everything is censored to avoid answering to important questions... project is a scam full with censorship
Exactly. This is how they keep the scam afloat. They created 2-3 full censorship groups (Telegram, Discord, and Reddit). Over there they promote the scam. If anybody ask a legit questin about their shady organization, they instantly ban everybody. I have updated my list Facts proved by bitcointalkers
1. Robin Linus cannabis drug addiction.
2. Internal struggles over ICO money and power
3. Project financial troubles - over $250,000 burning rate.
4. Trading Bot to create fake volumes
5. Price manipulation to keep the price afloat
6. GPU mining since main net
7. Robin was not officially removed from the project as he is still the head of the foundation
8. No real partnerships. Nobody cares about this shitcoin
9. Lack of vision
10. Most of the community left already
11. Most developers left already.
12. They started to pay the community to stay ( moderators + developers )
13. They acquired a 1.1 million dollar villa in Costa Rica from ICO Money
14. Multiple members of scamiq team have acquired multiple properties in Costa Rica, Germany and other countries.
15. ICO period was done using for-profit company with no KYC for American citizens
16. ICO investors lost all their money.
Rumors that will be proven soon
1. Philipp and Marvin have drug (cannabis or cocaine) addictions as well
2. Bankruptcy 6 or 12 months.
3. ICO Money launderingBTW: Many other things can be added on this list  You can see that they avoid answers to these questions. Do you remember when they were not answering insiders' information that Robin Linus was taking drugs? Always, they were making jokes that such things are impossible. Then, the founder himself exposed that he is a cannabis drug abuser. Where is the research Richy? No more lies? Someone caught you lying? By the way: WHERE IS ROBIN LINUS  Did you get any answer from them ? |
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February 17, 2019, 02:54:29 PM |
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Community Project Proposal: Nimiq ATMThe goal is this proposal is to provide a simple way to acquire Nimiq and increase awareness for the
ecosystem via Crypto ATM machines.
The Nimiq Community Funding Board will meet next meet.
Join our community to discuss the proposal and ask questions to the members who submitted it: Telegram | Discord Please Read
Nimiq is the first browser blockchain.
That means apps based on Nimiq can run directly in the browser of the user, locally, without the need of a server-side application.
Since its launch, this have been an informative/discussion thread.
In January these group of users were created with the sole purpose of spreading FUD in this thread:
nimiqshitcoin, coinfanatic, andrewjaxx, john.btc, sasha.new, Scamiq, Scamiq2, matthewgpu
As you might have noticed they always use unnecessarily aggressive language, huge red bold fonts and empty claims instead of serious questions.
Team Nimiq have answered here their non-factual claims. Also held a live Reddit AMA session recently (they decided not to participate) where all questions were answered.
There is also a blog post with a summary of the AMA.
Nimiq welcome all newcomers, invite them to ask questions, and would like to apologize for these users behavior and any inconvenience they might cause.
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February 17, 2019, 03:06:02 PM |
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Evidence that "Normana" is a fake account of Nimiq:- Nimiq's CEO Robin Linus said multiple times that normana is a fake account of Marvin Wissfeld
- Normana's bitcointalk and reddit accounts were created exactly when the Robin Linus drama started
- Normana (aka Marvin) posts hundreds of messages on bitcointalk and reddit defending nimiq's shady actions
- He never posted any authentic content.
- Normana even defends the team's excessive salaries as if he's benefiting himself
- He admitted that "Norman Alsbander" is a fake identity
- Normana created a fake survey which "proved" that ICO investors wouldn't like a refund
- Normana's style of writing is identical to Marvin's ( compare: https://www.reddit.com/user/la_r_ma and https://www.reddit.com/user/normanalsbander )
- Normana (aka Marvin) shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's code base and often argues with insider infos
- His Telegram account was created during Nimiq's KYC drama. Normana tried to cover up the drama with statements like "I like the KYC, will allow me to fill my bags with cheap NET".
As soon as the drama cooled down his account was inactive for one year. Recently when the Robin Linus drama started he suddenly became hyper active and tried to cover nimiq's scam.
now now they changed strategy. now they post a lot of garbage information here to deceive people that nimiq is alive. project is DEAD nobody cares about this project. only some greedy people looking to milk their ico cash cow. project dead dead.digging is not profitable as well. no information about robin linus. is he the president of nimiq foundation. i believe yes he is president of nimiq. |
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February 17, 2019, 03:29:58 PM |
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yes yes. another day with no answers to this facts. they hide everything. when you ask questions they want to move you on discord where everything is censored to avoid answering to important questions... project is a scam full with censorship
Exactly. This is how they keep the scam afloat. They created 2-3 full censorship groups (Telegram, Discord, and Reddit). Over there they promote the scam. If anybody ask a legit questin about their shady organization, they instantly ban everybody. I have updated my list Facts proved by bitcointalkers
1. Robin Linus cannabis drug addiction.
2. Internal struggles over ICO money and power
3. Project financial troubles - over $250,000 burning rate.
4. Trading Bot to create fake volumes
5. Price manipulation to keep the price afloat
6. GPU mining since main net
7. Robin was not officially removed from the project as he is still the head of the foundation
8. No real partnerships. Nobody cares about this shitcoin
9. Lack of vision
10. Most of the community left already
11. Most developers left already.
12. They started to pay the community to stay ( moderators + developers )
13. They acquired a 1.1 million dollar villa in Costa Rica from ICO Money
14. Multiple members of scamiq team have acquired multiple properties in Costa Rica, Germany and other countries.
15. ICO period was done using for-profit company with no KYC for American citizens
16. ICO investors lost all their money.
Rumors that will be proven soon
1. Philipp and Marvin have drug (cannabis or cocaine) addictions as well
2. Bankruptcy 6 or 12 months.
3. ICO Money launderingBTW: Many other things can be added on this list You can see that they avoid answers to these questions. Do you remember when they were not answering insiders' information that Robin Linus was taking drugs? Always, they were making jokes that such things are impossible. Then, the founder himself exposed that he is a cannabis drug abuser. Where is the research Richy? No more lies? Someone caught you lying? By the way: WHERE IS ROBIN LINUS Did you get any answer from them ? Here is how this will end: 1. Now they have 7.9 million left (according to their reports using current prices and keeping burning rate). The burning was higher (stupid tico blockchain conference, community funding, buying coins from market, marketing, etc) 2. In September they will do another financial report telling us they will have 5 million left. 3. In December they will have 3 million left. 4. In March next year project will shut down its network and call of bankruptcy. 5. Richy, Philipp, and Marvin will be happy cashing in at least 1 million dollars each |
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February 17, 2019, 03:45:17 PM |
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WARNING!
THE LARGE "COMMUNITY PROJECT" BANNERS ARE JUST RANDOM NOISE TO MAKE INVESTORS BELIEVE THE PROJECT ISN'T DEAD.
Nimiq pays random people small amounts of money to build random projects because the team failed to make any real progress for months.
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February 17, 2019, 03:59:28 PM |
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Two months ago you announced your "revolutionary" QR codes and called it a great "collaboration", but up to today there's no real progress. The truth is, this feature is so primitive, an intern could finish it in a day.
Yet another proof that the Nimiq team tries to distract ICO investors while they're milking the cash cow.
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February 17, 2019, 04:01:26 PM |
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nobody cares about this project
Except two parties: - You and your friend sockpuppet accounts who care about destroying the project - The actual community (that is not active on BitcoinTalk anymore as you basically took over the thread and make it useless) that builds applications based on Nimiq. Whenever you care to write that nobody cares you are contradicting yourself. Also your history of writing several posts per day in this thread for more than a month now clearly shows that at least you and your alter egos do care... no information about robin linus. is he the president of nimiq foundation. i believe yes he is president of nimiq. He is not considered part of the team. The team is not obligated to report on his personal situation and might not even be aware of it. Even if he is still president of the foundation board, that doesn't mean he is in charge of anything - and the team says he isn't in charge. Board president is not the same as a CEO. A swiss foundation board is a democratic entity, which means that even the president of the board has to do what the board wants him to do. 1. Now they have 7.9 million left (according to their reports using current prices and keeping burning rate). The burning was higher (stupid tico blockchain conference, community funding, buying coins from market, marketing, etc)
2. In September they will do another financial report telling us they will have 5 million left.
3. In December they will have 3 million left.
4. In March next year project will shut down its network and call of bankruptcy.
5. Richy, Philipp, and Marvin will be happy cashing in at least 1 million dollars each
- Community funding is paid in NIM, thus not causing additional expenses on the USD/BTC/ETH side, as foundation also owns a stack of NIM.... - I bet marketing was included in the monthly burn rate (as it is obvious reoccurring costs) - At current burn rate of $200k/month, the next 6 month (until September) would cost them $1.2M. Even if we just add another $700k of additional costs (and I don't think this makes any sense at all), they would end up at $6M, not $5M. - If you add another 4 month to end of December, you'd need to deduct less than $1M (not $2M as you just did), so by end of December they would be at about $5M, not $3M. - Richy, Philipp, and Marvin earn less than $200k a year (we don't know exact numbers though). By end of December, their total income thus will be less than $500k (2.5 years of Nimiq existence), thus half of what you just proposed. (And it's probably way less, but we can't know until they publish details by person which they said they wouldn't). Any additional payout would have to be justified in front of swiss authorities..... Warning: yuluxugi32132, nimiqshitcoin, coinfanatic, andrewjaxx, john.btc, sasha.new, Scamiq, robin.nimiq are sockpuppet accounts, proven liars and FUDers. All of them were only created this year and only for the purpose of spamming this thread (check their profile). They claim substantial losses due to their Nimiq investments, yet fail to provide any proof that they actually invested. Rumors say that they come from another crypto project, assuming they are a direct competitor to Nimiq. Don't expect anything mentioned by them to be true. If you want real insights, check out Nimiq community channels (Discord, Telegram). |
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February 17, 2019, 04:02:49 PM |
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WARNING!
THE LARGE "COMMUNITY PROJECT" BANNERS ARE JUST RANDOM NOISE TO MAKE INVESTORS BELIEVE THE PROJECT ISN'T DEAD.
Nimiq pays random people small amounts of money to build random projects because the team failed to make any real progress for months.
Coinfanatic, you are saying it very well. This is just random noise to trick investors that the project is moving on. Now they just entered a new phase of desperation to push the project forward by throwing ICO money to anybody. I am utterly disappointed on this project and I regret the day I invested heavily into this project trusting some German prinks. They don't have any dignity to show any kind of remorse toward ICO investors who lost a tremendous amount of money. The project is a total failure and they don't want to admit this. They believe that admitting failure is something catastrophic, while this isn't the case. They just need to be honest to their investors who gave them a lot of money. |
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February 17, 2019, 04:11:35 PM |
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Two months ago you announced your "revolutionary" QR codes and called it a great "collaboration", but up to today there's no real progress. The truth is, this feature is so primitive, an intern could finish it in a day.
Yet another proof that the Nimiq team tries to distract ICO investors while they're milking the cash cow. Yup! This is what they are doing right now. They locked themselves in Costa Rica, smoking pot from time to time and milking the cash cow. What a dream job! Where can I apply for a job at nimiq? How did they hire other peoples? They hired only germans and people they know. This is how Ponzi schemes are done. Hiring only on nepotism basis your friends and related people who will keep their mouth closed. |
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February 17, 2019, 04:42:53 PM |
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I personally like this kind of project, as it represents a gateway between the Internet world and real life. I don't know if it really feasible to develop an entire network of ATMs but a few ones would already be a big step forward IMO. I could give visibility to Nimiq. (But it would be quite costly, though.) Also, when Nimiq become a bit known, what about negotiating with ATM manufacturers to include Nimiq in their multi-crypto ATMs? I think it can be another possibility (and, I think, a better one, since people are more likely to buy this kind of ATM rather than a Nimiq-only ATM). |
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February 17, 2019, 05:23:15 PM |
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WARNING! NORMANA IS A FAKE ACCOUNT OF TEAM NIMIQ
- Nimiq's CEO Robin Linus said multiple times that normana is a fake account of Marvin Wissfeld
- Normana's bitcointalk and reddit accounts were created exactly when the Robin Linus drama started
- Normana (aka Marvin) posts hundreds of messages on bitcointalk and reddit defending nimiq's shady actions
- He never posted any authentic content.
- Normana even defends the team's excessive salaries as if he's benefiting himself
- He admitted that "Norman Alsbander" is a fake identity
- Normana created a fake survey which "proved" that ICO investors wouldn't like a refund
- Normana's style of writing is identical to Marvin's ( compare: https://www.reddit.com/user/la_r_ma and https://www.reddit.com/user/normanalsbander )
- Normana (aka Marvin) shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's operations
- Normana shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's code base
- His Telegram account was created during Nimiq's KYC drama. Normana tried to cover up the drama with statements like "I like the KYC, will allow me to fill my bags with cheap NET".
As soon as the drama cooled down his account was inactive for one year. Recently when the Robin Linus drama started he suddenly became hyper active and tried to cover nimiq's scam.
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February 17, 2019, 05:37:26 PM |
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WARNING! NORMANA IS A FAKE ACCOUNT OF TEAM NIMIQ
- Nimiq's CEO Robin Linus said multiple times that normana is a fake account of Marvin Wissfeld
- Normana's bitcointalk and reddit accounts were created exactly when the Robin Linus drama started
- Normana (aka Marvin) posts hundreds of messages on bitcointalk and reddit defending nimiq's shady actions
- He never posted any authentic content.
- Normana even defends the team's excessive salaries as if he's benefiting himself
- He admitted that "Norman Alsbander" is a fake identity
- Normana created a fake survey which "proved" that ICO investors wouldn't like a refund
- Normana's style of writing is identical to Marvin's ( compare: https://www.reddit.com/user/la_r_ma and https://www.reddit.com/user/normanalsbander )
- Normana (aka Marvin) shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's operations
- Normana shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's code base
- His Telegram account was created during Nimiq's KYC drama. Normana tried to cover up the drama with statements like "I like the KYC, will allow me to fill my bags with cheap NET".
As soon as the drama cooled down his account was inactive for one year. Recently when the Robin Linus drama started he suddenly became hyper active and tried to cover nimiq's scam.
I really want to thank you for keeping informed people about the truth. You are doing an excellent job uncovering their lies pointed out by sockpuppet accounts like the user "normana" (Marvin Wissfeld). |
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February 17, 2019, 05:45:50 PM |
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WARNING! NORMANA IS A FAKE ACCOUNT OF TEAM NIMIQ
- Nimiq's CEO Robin Linus said multiple times that normana is a fake account of Marvin Wissfeld
- Normana's bitcointalk and reddit accounts were created exactly when the Robin Linus drama started
- Normana (aka Marvin) posts hundreds of messages on bitcointalk and reddit defending nimiq's shady actions
- He never posted any authentic content.
- Normana even defends the team's excessive salaries as if he's benefiting himself
- He admitted that "Norman Alsbander" is a fake identity
- Normana created a fake survey which "proved" that ICO investors wouldn't like a refund
- Normana's style of writing is identical to Marvin's ( compare: https://www.reddit.com/user/la_r_ma and https://www.reddit.com/user/normanalsbander )
- Normana (aka Marvin) shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's operations
- Normana shows extremely detailed knowledge of nimiq's code base
- His Telegram account was created during Nimiq's KYC drama. Normana tried to cover up the drama with statements like "I like the KYC, will allow me to fill my bags with cheap NET".
As soon as the drama cooled down his account was inactive for one year. Recently when the Robin Linus drama started he suddenly became hyper active and tried to cover nimiq's scam.
I really want to thank you for keeping informed people about the truth. You are doing an excellent job uncovering their lies pointed out by sockpuppet accounts like the user "normana" (Marvin Wissfeld).
Thank you @nimiqshitcoin! Yes, it is important for investors to know that Marvin's posts are just useless lies because he's hiding behind fake accounts.
@normana (aka Marvin Wissfeld): please stop spamming this thread with your sockpuppet account. It is okay to admit that Nimiq failed. |
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February 17, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
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Project administrators. Create a new theme,New thread. Where will you delete messages provocateurs
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