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Author Topic: [4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool  (Read 4375682 times)
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September 17, 2021, 08:54:56 AM
Last edit: September 17, 2021, 09:05:07 AM by kano
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Who accepted it except themselves?
The details are all above in the post I did - even slush knew it - as I've shown.

The first mining pool is simply ... the first mining pool ... no excuses ... it's very simple english, but I guess it would appear to be difficult to understand for those who may not be very good at english.

Slush was at least the second pool, since there was a pool before them, even as slush stated: "another".
Again a simple english term, when you state you are opening 'another' pool, it means there's already one before you ...
and in his case he said that in the thread where the 'other' pool before him was announced.

No hornets nest involved, it's simple english and some seem to not understand english ...

If the guy who made the first car crashed and killed himself and destroyed it ... he still made the first car ...

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September 17, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
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"Longest running" might be a better, more accurate, and some might say, more impressive moniker.

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September 17, 2021, 11:53:47 AM
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"Longest running" might be a better, more accurate, and some might say, more impressive moniker.
Though, that is somewhat of a joke also.

The problem that occurred in Dec 2015 was due to the fact that for the first 5 years that slush ran, they didn't have any proper statistical analysis of their mining.
So when something bad happened with a miner running their own untested software on the pool, it meant that slush just continued to lose blocks and pretend there was no problem, since they didn't even understand how to identify the problem, until Organofcorti told them there was something wrong - after I pointed out the excessive statistical improbability of what happened:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77000.msg13482822#msg13482822

He also helped them do their current 'proof' they have, but alas people still don't understand that it's not a proof of hash rate, it's a proof of minimum hash rate.

So while you can correctly say they are the 'longest running' pool, they ran blind for the first 5 years and had no idea what was going on.
In that scenario, my pool is possibly the longest running pool with a proper statistical analysis of the mining, since I've been doing it from the start in 2014 Smiley Though I've no idea if any of the large pools understand how to do useful statistical analysis of the mining, or if they do, how long they have been doing it. They certainly don't claim to do it or supply any such information.

But anyway, who cares if slush didn't know what they were doing for the first 5 years Smiley

... and in case it wasn't obvious, while they let it go on for at least 28 blocks, they should have known 100% that the problem existed at 14 blocks.
Also, Organofcorti pointed out an interesting test that would have picked the particular problem up at around 0.42 of a single block (that I added to my testing from then on)

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September 17, 2021, 12:58:03 PM
Last edit: September 17, 2021, 05:15:26 PM by NotFuzzyWarm
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Perhaps they should state they are the first successful pool or the longest running pool?
With the caveat of 'successful' meaning 'still in business' that ^^ would be absolutely correct and the best way to say it.
It acknowledges that:
 a. There were other pools before them
 b. Said other pools later shut down for one reason or another
 c. It puts Slush as one of the first pools and currently the oldest running one.

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September 17, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
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I love a good kick to the hornet's nest as much as the next guy, so here goes a good shot.

If Slush Pool isn't the first pool, then show me where to point my miner to mine on the first pool...  If the "first" pool failed, is it the first pool?  If I say I'm going to be the first person to swim around the world, and then I die while being the first to swim around the world, am I the first to do it?  I was swimming around the world the same way the "first" pool was mining...  I believe in this context, Slush Pool is stating they are the first, because they are the first mining pool to survive the test of time.  Other pools may have attempted to be first, but they since failed and were shut down... 

Perhaps they should state they are the first successful pool or the longest running pool?  Seems like this is taking cheap shots at slush's legacy to come and make this argument more than 10 years after this claim has been accepted by the community.

that logic is flawed - To apply it would mean that since the first person to have flown around the world died - they now no longer the first person to have done so.

The "first" pool simply means they were the first functioning pool. However long they lasted is irrelevant if they were the actual "first" pool.

Slush is not the "first" pool - they may be the "oldest" or the "longest running" but that does not make them "first"

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September 17, 2021, 04:55:50 PM
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Seems like this is taking cheap shots at slush's legacy to come and make this argument more than 10 years after this claim has been accepted by the community.

Kano owns a mining pool so chances are this "shot" is biased, he has problems with almost all pools except his, he claims that some of them have bad code, some have bad owners and the rest don't have good resources and a lot more points he always has to say to any other mining pool.

With that being said, I agree with Kano (I very seldom do) that the word "first" simply means first, there are other more "honest" terms they could use, personally, it's extremely unlikely that I'll tag their profile or anyone involved with negative feedback just because of this small matter, I might (if slush refuses to fix that word) put a neutral on their profile saying "they are not the first pool, at least 1 mining pool was there before them".

I also doubt that any reasonable DT member will go to as extreme as negative feedback just because of this, however, the lost blocks could be worthy of negative feedback, if there is enough proof and at least one victim coming forward to strengthen Kano's claim.

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September 17, 2021, 07:41:25 PM
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Seems like this is taking cheap shots at slush's legacy to come and make this argument more than 10 years after this claim has been accepted by the community.

Kano owns a mining pool so chances are this "shot" is biased, he has problems with almost all pools except his, he claims that some of them have bad code, some have bad owners and the rest don't have good resources and a lot more points he always has to say to any other mining pool.

I’m aware. That’s why I was pointing it out for people who might not be aware of the type of person Kano is. He thinks tearing down others elevates himself. It’s a pretty typical attitude for someone with self esteem issues. I just hate seeing him target a legend like slush who is a Bitcoin mining pioneer.


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September 17, 2021, 11:11:45 PM
Last edit: September 17, 2021, 11:46:50 PM by kano
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Well there are clear and obvious links and proof of the facts in my post.
Clearly an inability to read must be involved in your comment.
When what you call a "legend" loses so much BTC for everyone mining on their pool, your definition of "legend" clearly has issues.

Edit:
And if you are unable to read all the posts about Dec 2015 here on the forum, here's a table by Organofcorti showing around 20% down in luck for 4 week range that overlaps that December - the 2nd table:
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2016/01/january-3rd-2015-mining-pool-statistics.html

That of course is also listed here on the forum under his weekly pool report back then.

There is plenty of proof for those who don't stick their head in the sand.

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September 18, 2021, 01:26:21 AM
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Well there are clear and obvious links and proof of the facts in my post.
Clearly an inability to read must be involved in your comment.
When what you call a "legend" loses so much BTC for everyone mining on their pool, your definition of "legend" clearly has issues.

Someone once said, “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

You seem to be all over the place now. I guess I’m curious what you want to achieve here. Just tarnish slush’s reputation or are you seeking some sort of justice or a pat on the back for being better than everyone else? I’ll help. Good job Kano. You’ve run a pool for a long time and still take time to come here and participate at bitcointalk even though it likely isn’t worth your time to do so.


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I've been doing this since I started here back in 2011 ... nothing's changed ... other than being less critical of fools.

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Still no blocks. Congratulations in operating the fastest and better connected pool that nobody uses. Its not 2015 anymore...

Small pools can exist all they want, but who is going to wait a year for a block? That is why ckpool stopped. Funny how you keep bad mouthing CK instead of delivering actual code, i guess its more fun criticize others than working yourself.

When mining shrinks back down in the future, who knows. You are welcome to operate the last pplns pool forever.

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Funny how you keep bad mouthing CK instead of delivering actual code, i guess its more fun criticize others than working yourself.
...
Oh damn that BM1397 code I delivered the other day was no good I guess Wink
(certainly a first for anyone on the planet Smiley )

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Oh damn that BM1397 code I delivered the other day was no good I guess Wink
(certainly a first for anyone on the planet Smiley )

So, when BM1398? Are you still working for them or is this for a third party? Or is kanominer coming out so people can replace their cgminer?

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Oh damn that BM1397 code I delivered the other day was no good I guess Wink
(certainly a first for anyone on the planet Smiley )
So, when BM1398? Are you still working for them or is this for a third party? Or is kanominer coming out so people can replace their cgminer?
The S17 chip driver code was written for Sidehacks new stick and is in Kano's git for all to see. A little out of touch regarding the hardware area are ya?  Wink

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My eyes are kinda glazing over on this convo, sorry to say. I would like to know if anybody is using this pool and satisfied. Also like to know if the pool operator is posting to this thread.

I am looking for USA pool with highest hash rate. Thanks.
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My eyes are kinda glazing over on this convo, sorry to say. I would like to know if anybody is using this pool and satisfied. Also like to know if the pool operator is posting to this thread.

I am looking for USA pool with highest hash rate. Thanks.

Right now they don't post much on this topic.
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October 01, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
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My eyes are kinda glazing over on this convo, sorry to say. I would like to know if anybody is using this pool and satisfied. Also like to know if the pool operator is posting to this thread.

I am looking for USA pool with highest hash rate. Thanks.

I've used them in the past. Don't use them now other than maybe as a third backup pool.

Although they are not a US company, they are Czech. Pool operator posting to the thread, not that I have seen for a long while, mainly get Braiins representatives posting as far as I can tell now.

BTW, Do you mean you just want a pool server located in the US? In which case most pools seem to have some geographical nodes (including Slush)

But if you want a US run pool (i.e. run by a US company), then I think the only one of any reasonable size is the mysterious Foundrydigital, but I don't think they have any representation on here, so not sure about their transparency or whether they fit your criteria.

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Pool operator posting to the thread, not that I have seen for a long while, mainly get Braiins representatives posting as far as I can tell now.
As an FYI, the person known as Slush and founder of the pool sold it to the Braiins group in 2013. AFAIK Slush (the person) has not had anything to do with the pool for many years now. The Braiins Story site covers their history

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Oh damn that BM1397 code I delivered the other day was no good I guess Wink
(certainly a first for anyone on the planet Smiley )
So, when BM1398? Are you still working for them or is this for a third party? Or is kanominer coming out so people can replace their cgminer?
The S17 chip driver code was written for Sidehacks new stick and is in Kano's git for all to see. A little out of touch regarding the hardware area are ya?  Wink

That thread says BM1397 (S17) not BM1398 (S19)... That's why i asked. Obviously the next stick should run the latest Bitmain chip Cheesy



The pool belongs to Braiins, and miner satisfaction is reflected in the hashrate, currently 6.783 EH/S.

This is the last (not Chinese) pool with a non PPS payout method that actually finds blocks frequently enough for people to continue their commercial mining operations. Ie, a pool that splits and shares what it gets (minus pool fee) when a block is found, instead of playing bank like all the PPS pools do. So it has the normal variability Bitcoin mining has always had, and not the fiction of PPS (the pool adjusts the payrate as they see fit).

The only thing closer to the true Bitcoin mining experience is going solo.

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I love a good kick to the hornet's nest as much as the next guy, so here goes a good shot.

If Slush Pool isn't the first pool, then show me where to point my miner to mine on the first pool...  If the "first" pool failed, is it the first pool?  If I say I'm going to be the first person to swim around the world, and then I die while being the first to swim around the world, am I the first to do it?  I was swimming around the world the same way the "first" pool was mining...  I believe in this context, Slush Pool is stating they are the first, because they are the first mining pool to survive the test of time.  Other pools may have attempted to be first, but they since failed and were shut down... 

Perhaps they should state they are the first successful pool or the longest running pool?  Seems like this is taking cheap shots at slush's legacy to come and make this argument more than 10 years after this claim has been accepted by the community.

that logic is flawed - To apply it would mean that since the first person to have flown around the world died - they now no longer the first person to have done so.

The "first" pool simply means they were the first functioning pool. However long they lasted is irrelevant if they were the actual "first" pool.

Slush is not the "first" pool - they may be the "oldest" or the "longest running" but that does not make them "first"

BTC Guild was ahead of them and were force to close by New York Law

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