[ANN][ZEN] Horizen: Unbounded By Design

[that1lurk3r]

Congrats guys on a successful fork! Still mining on my gpu's and z9's. Looking forward to making a few more sec nodes!!

[gembitz]

admins of tor site see the amounts of coins?  

 ...however rich list is impossible?...go on!   SEC weekend division is wondering whos owns these majority of monetary coins?

Please take your time and learn more about Zcash ceremony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dY-3x3teM


They don't need wondering some of large investors are publicly known
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/18/king-of-crypto-barry-silbert-says-bitcoin-has-bottomed.html

after watching that i'm more confused !! what does Zcash distributed key generation solve anyways...? This is just crazy you guys have how many versions of the same coin? lmfao    >>>Barry Silbert do you have this dudes' phone number?

[MedaR]

after watching that i'm more confused !! what does Zcash distributed key generation solve anyways...? This is just crazy you guys have how many versions of the same coin? lmfao    >>>Barry Silbert do you have this dudes' phone number?

zkSNARK technology
https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sy6nb72gCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr95o_k_SwI

Our platform is based on zkSNARK technology and main difference among other similar projects forked from ZCASH is that we are building platform where "coin" is just one of the many products of this platform. I must advise you to read white paper https://zencash.com/assets/files/Zen-Application-Platform-Whitepaper.pdf   

Instead of asking for his number ask yourself what attracted him to this project.

[gembitz]

after watching that i'm more confused !! what does Zcash distributed key generation solve anyways...? This is just crazy you guys have how many versions of the same coin? lmfao    >>>Barry Silbert do you have this dudes' phone number?

zkSNARK technology
https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sy6nb72gCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr95o_k_SwI

Our platform is based on zkSNARK technology and main difference among other similar projects forked from ZCASH is that we are building platform where "coin" is just one of the many products of this platform. I must advise you to read white paper https://zencash.com/assets/files/Zen-Application-Platform-Whitepaper.pdf  

Instead of asking for his number ask yourself what attracted him to this project.

i'll call him and figure this out ~ where is this ZEN even be able to be used/spent on anything useful?    im not seeing it.

[MedaR]

You have a great team and I really believe in the ethos of Zen - reinforcing the idea that privacy and democracy are human rights, not optional extras in life. That includes the right to disagree with the people who scream the loudest in an attempt to get what they want.

Regarding the "War with ASICs", there's no winning that or any other war. Nobody ever really wins a war. The only ones who ever profit from war are the arms dealers and the people who figure out ways to monetize fear.

Keep up the good work, MedaR. You're quite the patient diplomat. There are a lot of us around here who really appreciate your even-handed contribution, too, even if we're mostly quietly lurking. 

Thank you for your support and for kind words!

This is community project, and those who following us from the beginning can notice how we are shaped by community trought various involments, proposals and even critiques. We respect all involved in this project, and all opinions, we are open for all who wants join us.

And please don't stay in shadow, involve yourself, give your contribution, this is what we are actually stands for!

[MedaR]

i'll call him and figure this out ~ where is this ZEN even be able to be used/spent on anything useful?    im not seeing it.

You can try on PornHub if you like.  

You can also use ZenCash to consume services from TorGuard (anonymous VPN, Proxy and Email).

ZenCash has established a strategic partnership with Welto, an application that allows users to directly pay bills through their cryptocurrency wallets. The partnership will allow Welto to support ZenCash payments through an integration of CoinPayments, a gateway system that eliminates the need to use an exchange to convert cryptocurrency to fiat currency.

Paytomat is primarily a crypto payments processing system. Paytomat connects the core teams of various cryptos to merchants from both the online and physical worlds. These merchants are people willing to start accepting crypto as a payment method for their goods and services.

[gembitz]

i'll call him and figure this out ~ where is this ZEN even be able to be used/spent on anything useful?    im not seeing it.

You can try on PornHub if you like.  

You can also use ZenCash to consume services from TorGuard (anonymous VPN, Proxy and Email).

ZenCash has established a strategic partnership with Welto, an application that allows users to directly pay bills through their cryptocurrency wallets. The partnership will allow Welto to support ZenCash payments through an integration of CoinPayments, a gateway system that eliminates the need to use an exchange to convert cryptocurrency to fiat currency.

Paytomat is primarily a crypto payments processing system. Paytomat connects the core teams of various cryptos to merchants from both the online and physical worlds. These merchants are people willing to start accepting crypto as a payment method for their goods and services.

Welto? are you a slobbering n00b? do you even keep up on anything? pffft you owe me bigtime on this one  

https://twitter.com/weltoapp/status/1005238190754627585

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" Unfortunately, due to the financial and operational challenges, we are not able to provide service anymore.
So sad, but service will be stopped and shut down. ..blah blah "

[MedaR]

Welto? are you a slobbering n00b? do you even keep up on anything? pffft you owe me bigtime on this one  

https://twitter.com/weltoapp/status/1005238190754627585

===>

" Unfortunately, due to the financial and operational challenges, we are not able to provide service anymore.
So sad, but service will be stopped and shut down. ..blah blah "

Well, my mistake I didn't check if they are still in the business. This can happen to anyone.

[gembitz]

Welto? are you a slobbering n00b? do you even keep up on anything? pffft you owe me bigtime on this one  

https://twitter.com/weltoapp/status/1005238190754627585

===>

" Unfortunately, due to the financial and operational challenges, we are not able to provide service anymore.
So sad, but service will be stopped and shut down. ..blah blah "

Well, my mistake I didn't check if they are still in the business. This can happen to anyone.

you cannot build credibility like some kind of expert using outdated information!! :-D

++ > > founders tax why?

[Anarchist]

You are very far to be an expert. You're just ridiculous because you don't even understand the project itself

[gembitz]

You are very far to be an expert. You're just ridiculous because you don't even understand the project itself

i understand Barry owns alot of things in the cryptosphere and is a powerful influencer...  tbh imo: /\ZEN sounds like a cooked up ethereum play to me lol

[Conasse]

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Look like this kind of service is becoming more popular with zencash. It's good at the end as it participate to the economic dev

[dmwardjr]

will zen change the algo?

the hardfork scheduled for today is about the supernodes ? any update on the asic resistance debate?

supernodes and change in the block rewards to increase the secure node portion to 10%, add 10% for super nodes and increase the treasury to 10%.

Zen 2.0.14 is the update previously planned before the Equihash ASIC announcement and blockchain attack events.  The time frame to include any new changes was too short to address these issues. However, potential solutions to mitigate chain manipulation from attacks is being worked on and may not require a mandatory upgrade.  At this time we are staying on our regular deprecation schedule. All Miners and Node Operators must upgrade to Zen 2.0. 14 by block 344700.

https://blog.zencash.com/mandatory-upgrade-zen-2-0-14-super-nodes/

I don't want to sound like I'm being difficult.  I'm simply trying to make sure I "understand" you correctly...

What does the chain manipulation may not requiring a mandatory upgrade have to do with the question that was asked?

What question?

Will zen change the algo?

Also, are there plans or are there not plans TO FORK AWAY FROM ASIC's?  Can we get a definitive answer on this or not?  Murgut's question about changing the algo regarded whether or not we will actually fork away from ASIC's.

Will we or will we not fork away from ASIC's?  It's a simple question that I believe we (GPU Miners) deserve an answer to.  If you want to know why we deserve an answer, I'll be happy to elaborate...

This is statement from the Team regarding changing of algo, and there are no new information so far, and this is all I can tell at this moment regarding  algo changes.  
ZenCash Statement on Potential Equihash Algorithm Change
https://blog.zencash.com/zencash-statement-on-potential-equihash-algorithm-change/

Okay, thanks...  I didn't realize there was as much to read as before when I last went to that link.  I never bothered scrolling down the first time I saw this a while back.  A LOT to read.

 

[dmwardjr]

I don't want to sound like I'm being difficult.  I'm simply trying to make sure I "understand" you correctly...

What does the chain manipulation may not requiring a mandatory upgrade have to do with the question that was asked?

"However, potential solutions to mitigate chain manipulation from attacks is being worked on and may not require a mandatory upgrade"
This line is taken from this text:
https://blog.zencash.com/mandatory-upgrade-zen-2-0-14-super-nodes/

This is related to petencinal changes as our answer on 51% attack, first actions maybe won't need hard fork for implementation..

But lets focus now on this fork,  and implementation of Super Nodes. I think that nobody wants disastrous forks as result of rushing to get some changes implemented without testing. We need some time to get feedbacks from newely created platform, then we can move on..

Understood...

I have the answer I was looking for in order to make financial decisions.

The reduction in miner share along with increased difficulty from ASIC's has encouraged my decision to sale my 1080 Ti's and use that money towards trading.  Maybe I'll get back into mining in the future.

Thanks again for the reply.

 

[that1lurk3r]

Understood...

I have the answer I was looking for in order to make financial decisions.

The reduction in miner share along with increased difficulty from ASIC's has encouraged my decision to sale my 1080 Ti's and use that money towards trading.  Maybe I'll get back into mining in the future.

Thanks again for the reply.

 
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I have been debating on selling my gpus too and reduce some debt, but keeping my better gpus. Are all yours 1080ti?

[dmwardjr]

I have been debating on selling my gpus too and reduce some debt, but keeping my better gpus. Are all yours 1080ti?

I have 232 x GPU's.  58 x EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 and 12 x EVGA 1070 Ti.  All the rest are AMD RX 480's and R9 Fury's.  I'm going to sell all of them over the next 30 to 40 days.  I'll hold onto the motherboards, power supplies, power distribution units, CPU's, RAM and SSD's for "possible" future use.  I may sell all the other stuff as well and focus entirely on trading and my future trading/education website.

Scroll down here on page 6 of this thread to see my remodeled mining room.  Page 8 shows you what I have done for cooling with 36 box fans:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865914.100

[JohnDoe3490]

I have been debating on selling my gpus too and reduce some debt, but keeping my better gpus. Are all yours 1080ti?

I have 232 x GPU's.  58 x EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 and 12 x EVGA 1070 Ti.  All the rest are AMD RX 480's and R9 Fury's.  I'm going to sell all of them over the next 30 to 40 days.  I'll hold onto the motherboards, power supplies, power distribution units, CPU's, RAM and SSD's for "possible" future use.  I may sell all the other stuff as well and focus entirely on trading and my future trading/education website.

Scroll down here on page 6 of this thread to see my remodeled mining room.  Page 8 shows you what I have done for cooling with 36 box fans:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865914.100

Whoa, that's a lot of GPUs. That's a lot of GPUs to liquidate. Good luck man.

[that1lurk3r]

I have been debating on selling my gpus too and reduce some debt, but keeping my better gpus. Are all yours 1080ti?

I have 232 x GPU's.  58 x EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 and 12 x EVGA 1070 Ti.  All the rest are AMD RX 480's and R9 Fury's.  I'm going to sell all of them over the next 30 to 40 days.  I'll hold onto the motherboards, power supplies, power distribution units, CPU's, RAM and SSD's for "possible" future use.  I may sell all the other stuff as well and focus entirely on trading and my future trading/education website.

Scroll down here on page 6 of this thread to see my remodeled mining room.  Page 8 shows you what I have done for cooling with 36 box fans:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865914.100

Beautiful! Might be interested in those 1070ti's. If you ever sell post a link in here too.

[bobq]

Oh wow the fork was today, that explains the mooning price. Super nodes are go 

25% of all $ZEN in circulation is now locked up in Secure Nodes and Super Nodes
https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/1019938120274362369

Isn't this wonderful? Fork went flawlessly..

Has the process of building nodes and supernodes been semplified? I didn't follow recent updates but I remember that time ago it was still a quite complex nerdy thing.

[erwan]

Securenodes now 20pct more profitable than supernodes despite supernodes working under harsher criteria’s. Guess a result of Supernode FOMO last week.