[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development

[Hydroponica]

Hmmmmm, may be hope for this yet...Good thing I bought a shit ton of them, @.0003

Unfortunately for you, you were not that smart and spent most of the time talking crap on YAC threads.

This one is from few hours ago :

 

Why would I waste money on a coin I don't believe in?

But you still have a chance to buy few thousands up to .0005  

Nice quote, but that was from a few days ago, actually...And I already bought them, earlier today, at .0003.

No, you haven't as it never went below .00035 and guess who bought it there   (though all sold at that price was not close to shitload)

But again, it's still cheap, sell your dolls and buy few  

PS. sorry windmaster, I know it's not a place for this and I'll stop right now but this one was particularly cuntish these days, was a pleasure to put him on his place.

I said something nice, about your precious coin, and you jumped all over me...Sure put me in my place...Idiot

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[josiasrdz]

yacoin was being exchanged at 0.0003 btc (at 4 am), I think it is going to go even lower this week before it starts to recover

[seleme]

0.0035 was low but it doesn't matter..

Beat this baby   - I'm making the history, first service where YAC is exclusive payment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206696.msg2163271#msg2163271

[josiasrdz]

Beat this baby   - I'm making the history, first service where YAC is exclusive payment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206696.msg2163271#msg2163271

+1 we need more stuff like this

[coke]

really awesome to see someone step up on this!  Really also hoping some of the current YAC pool operators may be willing to share the modifications they made to get YAC working with the standard tools (or perhaps I missed it).  Pools are critical for more widespread adoption, and right now the choices seem somewhat slim.

First of all a big thanks to WindMaster for stepping up, YAC is indeed different from the other me-too coins and it's a real shame pocopoco pulled a Satoshi. I can and will help with code.

Now as to pools, I am test running a pool (pushpoold and mmcfe), both modified to work with YAC. Pushpoold hit a snag when N increased so all shares got refused. I have a temporary fix in place, but due to low hashrate (+-400 KH/s) it might take some time before I actually mine a block on my pool to confirm it really works. As soon as I know it's actually working I will put my changes on github. Aside from pushpoold there's also mmcfe which frankly is an abomination, horrible horrible code full of bugs and nasty shortcuts. Also once I'm sure all my changes work as intended I will publish them. I share your opinion that having properly working pools is critical to the success of the coin in the long run.

Of course if some of the pool operators who have confirmed working implementations already would be so kind to publish their changes instead of riding the greed wave it would be appreciated.

Regards,

cK'

[seleme]

Beat this baby   - I'm making the history, first service where YAC is exclusive payment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206696.msg2163271#msg2163271

+1 we need more stuff like this

Agree, coins should be currency and people should sell and buy with it for coin to be anything other than speculative commodity. It's the only way for long term success.

[snaidervp]

nice!!

[evershawn]

Awesome News!!! Go Go YAC!!

[nearmiss]

Now as to pools, I am test running a pool (pushpoold and mmcfe), both modified to work with YAC. Pushpoold hit a snag when N increased so all shares got refused. I have a temporary fix in place, but due to low hashrate (+-400 KH/s) it might take some time before I actually mine a block on my pool to confirm it really works. As soon as I know it's actually working I will put my changes on github. Aside from pushpoold there's also mmcfe which frankly is an abomination, horrible horrible code full of bugs and nasty shortcuts. Also once I'm sure all my changes work as intended I will publish them. I share your opinion that having properly working pools is critical to the success of the coin in the long run.

Good to hear someone willing to share is also working on the problem.  I'd be happy to throw you my measly hashrate to help test if needed.  I've setup pushpool/mmcfe for ltc in the past (mmcfe is indeed messy in a bunch of ways).  Look forward to throwing up a pool when things are stable.

Let me know (pm) if I can be of any help.

[dragon2nd]

Good! We need an active dev for YAC.

[leadnor]

GREAT STUFF

[evilscoop]

this is good, and ill help contribute were I can....but....

Can we reset the coin, get rid of yac and all association....
ie this is a new coin forked from yac, with a new name etc etc

[WindMaster]

Can we reset the coin, get rid of yac and all association....
ie this is a new coin forked from yac, with a new name etc etc

Creating yet another new alt-coin is outside the scope of what I'm trying to do here.  YAC is already underway with an economy (however small) built around it.  While the launch was not perfect, and I myself got screwed on the launch as I wasn't expecting it 1.5 days late (and thus, I got an 8.5 hour late start before starting mining), it appears to have been the closest to legit coin launch in the recent past.

I participated in the Elacoin launch the other day and my personal opinion is that one really takes the cake for launch shenanigans and multiple botched launch attempts.  Complete with the usual disappearing developer, the developer adding checkpoints that rewrote the blockchain and invalidated large numbers of legitimately mined blocks, and further, by the remaining miners proposing to hard fork their blockchain and rewrite the client to increase the mining rewards to themselves and jack up their rate of inflation.

In comparison, I'd say YAC had significantly closer to a clean launch.  Still not perfect, but I'd say it was the cleanest launch so far among the recent alt-coins.  I think the primary complaints about the YAC launch were the missed launch deadline catching everyone off-guard, low difficulty, and pocopoco failed to get the Windows client optimized for acceptable solo mining hash rates and get UPnP working properly.  In comparison, Elacoin launched with no Windows client at all, developer had nearly zero experience and should never have contemplated starting an alt-coin, was reportedly (if believable) trying to mine the genesis block on a netbook with Intel Atom CPU, it was basically a Litecoin copy'n'paste, and difficulty was 0 (which resulted in the client actually segfaulting and crashing on each REORG, much to my dismay as I was running one of the Elacoin seed nodes everyone was using).

I suspect the only reason to start a new coin, with no attempt to innovate, is as another pump'n'dump.  There's already enough of those already.  YAC was based on a new twist on NovaCoin that (at least temporarily) leveled the playing field between CPU and GPU mining, and thus I believe this coin launch actually had merit.  Forking it, renaming it and starting over without making significant improvements would produce just yet another copy'n'paste coin with no purpose other than to enrich whoever is launching the new coin.  However, anyone is free to fork any of the coins and start their own.  It's open-source afterall.  Is it a good idea to unleash yet another alt-coin solely to use it as a pump'n'dump?  Not really, in my opinion.

If someone is disappointed they missed the launch, I'm afraid I probably have nothing to offer.  Remember, I missed the launch too, by a whopping 8.5 hours.  I had to throw massive amounts of CPU power at it (800x dual-processor Xeon servers, 760x Amazon AWS instances) and even went as far as custom modifying a set of four LTC FPGA prototype boards (which were significantly slower than GPU's for LTC mining so did not evolve into a successful product) with 20 Xilinx Artix-7 FPGA's each to mine YAC instead while it was at N=32 (and very easy to optimize for FPGA's).  Yet with all that, I apparently mined less than people that got a single i7 PC in play right at launch.  I'm not sure there's anyone here that would benefit more from a complete YAC relaunch than I.  If I were pushing for a relaunch of YAC, it would definitely just be another pump'n'dump "make the developer rich" scheme, as I could completely rape the sh*t out of the new coin with the amount of processing power I fired up last time around (around 3x more than someone could pull off with a single Amazon AWS account).  It comes down to motivation, I believe the first YAC launch was actually valid, but do not believe forking it for the purpose of relaunching it as a brand new alt-coin would be valid.  As much as I'd like to relaunch YAC as a new coin, and as much as it would probably result in me mining the lion's share of that coin, that's just not a valid reason to do it.

Hopefully everyone complaining about being late to the YAC launch will realize that I probably have more reason to be upset about being late than anyone.  Can anyone here claim to have been more butt-hurt than I about missing the launch?  Considering the amount of resources I had to bring to bear to mine less than people with a single PC at launch time?

[evershawn]

Can we reset the coin, get rid of yac and all association....
ie this is a new coin forked from yac, with a new name etc etc

Creating yet another new alt-coin is outside the scope of what I'm trying to do here.  YAC is already underway with an economy (however small) built around it.  While the launch was not perfect, and I myself got screwed on the launch as I wasn't expecting it 1.5 days late (and thus, I got an 8.5 hour late start before starting mining), it appears to have been the closest to legit coin launch in the recent past.

I participated in the Elacoin launch the other day and my personal opinion is that one really takes the cake for launch shenanigans and multiple botched launch attempts.  Complete with the usual disappearing developer, the developer adding checkpoints that rewrote the blockchain and invalidated large numbers of legitimately mined blocks, and further, by the remaining miners proposing to hard fork their blockchain and rewrite the client to increase the mining rewards to themselves and jack up their rate of inflation.

In comparison, I'd say YAC had significantly closer to a clean launch.  Still not perfect, but I'd say it was the cleanest launch so far among the recent alt-coins.  I think the primary complaints about the YAC launch were the missed launch deadline catching everyone off-guard, low difficulty, and pocopoco failed to get the Windows client optimized for acceptable solo mining hash rates and get UPnP working properly.  In comparison, Elacoin launched with no Windows client at all, developer had nearly zero experience and should never have contemplated starting an alt-coin, was reportedly (if believable) trying to mine the genesis block on a netbook with Intel Atom CPU, it was basically a Litecoin copy'n'paste, and difficulty was 0 (which resulted in the client actually segfaulting and crashing on each REORG, much to my dismay as I was running one of the Elacoin seed nodes everyone was using).

I suspect the only reason to start a new coin, with no attempt to innovate, is as another pump'n'dump.  There's already enough of those already.  YAC was based on a new twist on NovaCoin that (at least temporarily) leveled the playing field between CPU and GPU mining, and thus I believe this coin launch actually had merit.  Forking it, renaming it and starting over without making significant improvements would produce just yet another copy'n'paste coin with no purpose other than to enrich whoever is launching the new coin.  However, anyone is free to fork any of the coins and start their own.  It's open-source afterall.  Is it a good idea to unleash yet another alt-coin solely to use it as a pump'n'dump?  Not really, in my opinion.

If someone is disappointed they missed the launch, I'm afraid I probably have nothing to offer.  Remember, I missed the launch too, by a whopping 8.5 hours.  I had to throw massive amounts of CPU power at it (800x dual-processor Xeon servers, 760x Amazon AWS instances) and even went as far as custom modifying a set of four LTC FPGA prototype boards (which were significantly slower than GPU's for LTC mining so did not evolve into a successful product) with 20 Xilinx Artix-7 FPGA's each to mine YAC instead while it was at N=32 (and very easy to optimize for FPGA's).  Yet with all that, I apparently mined less than people that got a single i7 PC in play right at launch.  I'm not sure there's anyone here that would benefit more from a complete YAC relaunch than I.  If I were pushing for a relaunch of YAC, it would definitely just be another pump'n'dump "make the developer rich" scheme, as I could completely rape the sh*t out of the new coin with the amount of processing power I fired up last time around (around 3x more than someone could pull off with a single Amazon AWS account).  It comes down to motivation, I believe the first YAC launch was actually valid, but do not believe forking it for the purpose of relaunching it as a brand new alt-coin would be valid.  As much as I'd like to relaunch YAC as a new coin, and as much as it would probably result in me mining the lion's share of that coin, that's just not a valid reason to do it.

Hopefully everyone complaining about being late to the YAC launch will realize that I probably have more reason to be upset about being late than anyone.  Can anyone here claim to have been more butt-hurt than I about missing the launch?  Considering the amount of resources I had to bring to bear to mine less than people with a single PC at launch time?

fully support you, let me know if I can help you in any way.

[evilscoop]

nope all fair points...
My issue was one that if the orig dev comes back, he may change something and make all your work go to crap....

[bitdwarf]

PS. YAC has been so cheap these last days that anyone who missed the launch could overtake any early adopter just throwing a few BTCs on bter.com

[xibeijan]

I've not noticed any difference on may 14th when the N++ event happened.

1) difficulty was supposed to drop - I left nothing
2) GPUs were supposed to take a hit - AFAIK they still own the network.

Answers?

[MyZhre]

I think we should re-launch a memcoin, based on scrypt-jane, init N=2048.

[cebb]

I am not a tech guy so cant help with any technical issues. However happy to pay bounties (1K now and 1K in future) for any worthy cause. PM me when the time comes. I know its not a lot but I don't have a lot YAC too.

[WindMaster]

PS. YAC has been so cheap these last days that anyone who missed the launch could overtake any early adopter just throwing a few BTCs on bter.com

This is true.  I've bought more YAC on BTER than I mined.