[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development

[St.Bit]

a few minutes in your favorite image editor with a resizeable YAC logo

Took me longer to find that damm logo than resizing only to find that alenevaa had it already done.

Good work alenevaa!

[alenevaa]

thanks! 

[sairon]

Thanks for the logos!
Git pull request to WM's repo created. https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/pull/6

EDIT: sent you a little tip.

[Joe_Bauers]

Thanks for the logos!
Git pull request to WM's repo created. https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/pull/6

Looks great. WM and I are working on the details of the transition, but I (or WM) will merge as soon as possible.

[Beave162]

No good lord no. How is that stupid 'Yak' imagery not killed off yet? The value of fiat is based off of perception, and a funny-looking animal as the symbol is great to sway the perception of an outsider? The issue has already been addressed earlier in this thread... here are the logos to use, but I obviously like the one in my profile... http://imgur.com/NyRv4oc,NrPE30u,tHZ59ga,7BGBnGI,WzSU1Mc,ny0zcw3,tH5L9QA,tf0HQqq,BeYDNvK,MLL536l,1wlxCzx#8

[sairon]

No good lord no. How is that stupid 'Yak' imagery not killed off yet? The value of fiat is based off of perception, and a funny-looking animal as the symbol is great to sway the perception of an outsider? The issue has already been addressed earlier in this thread... here are the logos to use, but I obviously like the one in my profile... http://imgur.com/NyRv4oc,NrPE30u,tHZ59ga,7BGBnGI,WzSU1Mc,ny0zcw3,tH5L9QA,tf0HQqq,BeYDNvK,MLL536l,1wlxCzx#8

LOL why, I like the Yak logo. 

[Beave162]

Well I say we go back to the Yak imagery once 10-year-olds have all the money and power in the world   Until then, let's rally behind a more professional theme.

[sairon]

Well I say we go back to the Yak imagery once 10-year-olds have all the money and power in the world   Until then, let's rally behind a more professional theme.

It seems like you're forgetting this is the "Yet Another Coin". So I think it deserves a funny logo (in a good sense, ofc).

[St.Bit]

No good lord no. How is that stupid 'Yak' imagery not killed off yet?

I don't like it either, but aren't there more important things to do ATM?

Nevertheless we lack of a good way to decide about things such as this. AFIK there hasn't been any real changes to Yacoin yet, but even such trivial things like a logo can't be decidet yet. We have to stick to the old one.As long as nobody changes anything viral this is ok, but if we ever want to be able to decide about controversial things we need to find a good way to do it. Polls in a forum are rigged, letting the dictator Joe rule the world or a scream battle in a threat aren't good ways to do it.
What do you think?

[Beave162]

Well I say we go back to the Yak imagery once 10-year-olds have all the money and power in the world  Until then, let's rally behind a more professional theme.

It seems like you're forgetting this is the "Yet Another Coin". So I think it deserves a funny logo (in a good sense, ofc).

Good point... which is why the 'official' name will change to Your Alternative Coin/Currency. This is the beauty of decentralization. Besides, the original developer is MIA.

Vote!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251108.0

[alenevaa]

What do you think?

I think we can live with the old logo until someone invents a new awesome one! One that everybody likes

[Beave162]

No good lord no. How is that stupid 'Yak' imagery not killed off yet?

I don't like it either, but aren't there more important things to do ATM?

Nevertheless we lack of a good way to decide about things such as this. AFIK there hasn't been any real changes to Yacoin yet, but even such trivial things like a logo can't be decidet yet. We have to stick to the old one.As long as nobody changes anything viral this is ok, but if we ever want to be able to decide about controversial things we need to find a good way to do it. Polls in a forum are rigged, letting the dictator Joe rule the world or a scream battle in a threat aren't good ways to do it.
What do you think?

You need to understand the value of marketing. You want to have a discussion on how many big businesses had to change their name and image for marketing purposes?  It is important.  It will have to change.

[Beave162]

What do you think?

I think we can live with the old logo until someone invents a new awesome one! One that everybody likes

You yourself apparently like the one in my profile.  'Ɏ' is in your signature.  Mess with the colors and background to whatever, but the Ɏ is the symbol! 

[St.Bit]

What do you think?

I think we can live with the old logo until someone invents a new awesome one! One that everybody likes

Absolute consensus is an illusion, I won't like another logo once I've spend hours designing it. We will have to stick to the old one untill we found absolute consensus or a good way to vote on such issues.

My question was actually about finding a good way to vote on such things. ? ??

[ilostcoins]

I prefer this logo as well. Looks a bit cleaner and simpler.


The other logo isn't too horrible though IMO. Having either as icon is better than using another coin's icon.

[Joe_Bauers]

I prefer this logo as well. Looks a bit cleaner and simpler.


The other logo isn't too horrible though IMO. Having either as icon is better than using another coin's icon.

Haha - well, I think we've all at least agreed that we don't like some logo. Personally, the one above is my favourite.

[Thirtybird]

What do you think?

I think we can live with the old logo until someone invents a new awesome one! One that everybody likes

Absolute consensus is an illusion, I won't like another logo once I've spend hours designing it. We will have to stick to the old one untill we found absolute consensus or a good way to vote on such issues.

My question was actually about finding a good way to vote on such things. ? ??

You've heard the phrase "vote with your wallets"?  What is something nearly everyone has who uses YAC?  What about set up a domation fundraiser which will double as a vote on the logo?  The YAC would get donated to something worthwhile (why do I see the discussion being on how to vote on what the voting donation organization will be??) and the logo with the most votes wins.  Something like a donation amount of 1YAC, and only count one donation per unique address.  Not sure how technically feasable this is, but it's at least an idea

[sairon]

What do you think?

I think we can live with the old logo until someone invents a new awesome one! One that everybody likes

Absolute consensus is an illusion, I won't like another logo once I've spend hours designing it. We will have to stick to the old one untill we found absolute consensus or a good way to vote on such issues.

My question was actually about finding a good way to vote on such things. ? ??

You've heard the phrase "vote with your wallets"?  What is something nearly everyone has who uses YAC?  What about set up a domation fundraiser which will double as a vote on the logo?  The YAC would get donated to something worthwhile (why do I see the discussion being on how to vote on what the voting donation organization will be??) and the logo with the most votes wins.  Something like a donation amount of 1YAC, and only count one donation per unique address.  Not sure how technically feasable this is, but it's at least an idea

I was thinking about either letting only the top 100 or so addresses vote (as they hold the most YAC they should have the right to decide - here only a signed message would suffice instead of coins (but that kinda ruins their anonymity as they would have to post it somewhere on the forums)), or let everyone vote (without any restrictions, as they can be very easily circumvented).

[St.Bit]

and only count one donation per unique address.

I have like 30 unique addresses, so do I have 30 votes? Wait a week and I'll make it 3000 untill we vote on my logo.

Since these are all directly from exchanges there is no way to tell whether they are from 30 people or just me. The only way this could be done in a non fakeable way would be to weight votes by size of the sending wallet,but that's a very bad way to make decisions as community if "poor" people can't vote.

We could start a vote-giveaway threat from one special adress and only count votes if it had ever resived directly from that wallet. As long as we are voting over trivial stuff like logo,name,... there are little to no incentives to steal a vote privelege. Now it should be easy to get a vote, but we have to limit that in the future to prevent interest groups to get too much power.


I think this is urgent to agree on a safe way to make desissions bevor we face decisions where everyone has strong opinions and only agrees a voting mechanism that favours his interrests. A bad deciding mechanism is still better than not beeing able to decide at all.

Should I start a new topic and write some of my ideas on this?Would anyone support this idea?What do you think?

[St.Bit]

I was thinking about either letting only the top 100 or so addresses vote (as they hold the most YAC they should have the right to decide - here only a signed message would suffice instead of coins (but that kinda ruins their anonymity as they would have to post it somewhere on the forums)), or let everyone vote (without any restrictions, as they can be very easily circumvented).

So the biggest 10 wallests split up in order to make up most of those 100 adresses. Although this would favor my vote, I think it is a bad way to let the rich decide what the people want.