[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development

[forsetifox]

We could always get some new logos created. I'm sure if we have enough one will win the majority.

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[Beave162]

The two wallet thing means that just the rich decide what's happening. Once the CC is into the off. client I'm going to pay a 5k bounty I gave just for fun, so 700YAC on a decision I'm actually interrested in means nothing to me. That isn't me having more power, that is you having no power at all.

Don't get me wrong. I don't belive that there should be equal vote for everyone, but people outside an moneyelite sould be able to vote. YAC doesn't survives because of a few people having a lot of them, it's because the people that supported it.

When it comes to decision making, there are very simple rules, and there is absolutely nothing to be invented or discovered. It is as
simple as STFU unless you are very good on topic. Don't add noise. Just because you have an opinion it does not mean it matters. If
you think 1000 unknown YACoiners should ever be able to outvote very good coders on coding than you have no clue about decision
making process, one that results in good decisions ("I won't go with you 1000 retards because there where you go radiation is 500x
higher than norm").

To sum it up, it does not matter what all retards on this planet think. What matters are consequences of listening to those retards.

My idea is the following:
n/3 of votes will be controlled by the people actually owning YAC. Send a coin to the voting adress and it get's weighted by the balance of the adress sending.

(3-n)/3 of votes will be counted on a one vote/adress basis. To prevent someone to send 1000votes not every adress can vote. We start a new topic and everyone that posts his adress gets a coin from a special adress. Only adresses that resived a txt from it will be counted.The person with the special adress can't cheat, if he fucks up we start another thread.

For now I would say everyone that has ever posted something on the dev. threads (Original+WM) should get a vote, for the future I would raise the requirements. My idea would be n=2.

You are complicating extremely simple issues, just like Freicoin people, who still haven't decided on foundation, grants and whatnot.  

+1 Bitcoin Megastore.  Thank you for shining some light here.  Joe_Bauers is the one putting time and energy into a wallet, so Joe_Bauers should decide on a logo.  Want to set-up a voting thread or accept bribes?  You do what you think best.  It is called the free market.  St.Bit, you seem to think there should be a 'system' in place to decide things for the YaCoin 'community'.  This thought process goes against the principles behind cryptocurrencies. On another point, if Joe_Bauers decides to use the dumbass Yak symbol, I may very well dump all my coins and move to an alternate where the majority of the individuals investing time, money, energy are making good decisions. Also, if he says, "screw it, I love the Yak," but then he also buys $50k worth of YaCoin, the price would skyrocket, and I really can't complain to him can I?

I"m not trying to sway anyone's opinion on what name and symbol works best; I am trying to sway your perspective on WHY having a professional perception is important... If I fail, I can just dump my coins and wait until more savvy people start to heavily invest time, money, energy.  Of course, I could invest more myself once the price has dropped enough to reflect the poor decisions made by those key stakeholders.

Imagine a world where YaCoin is the most accepted form of currency. Will Yak imagery exist? Will a grocery store open with a Yak head as part of their logo? Of course this could happen! I'm sure you would have people playing on the term 'Yuck' as well. But the companies that make poor marketing decisions will have to adapt or go out of business.  Since I still already have a stake in YaCoin, I am trying to  portray this message because I believe it will help the interest in YaCoin

[sairon]

LOL, can't believe I've started a flamewar just by changing a *NovaCoin* logo to something resembling YAC.

[ilostcoins]

Meanwhile, should we have a voting thread for the logo?

Yes - do you want to create it?

What are the rules? Every account can vote? Or a thread that doesn't sound too official to gather opinions with no explicit criteria for how the winning logo will be decided, giving you more flexibility?

Anyway, I've made this image so anyone who wants to make the thread may elect to use.

https://i.imgur.com/bXFoeb1.gif

[St.Bit]

St.Bit, you seem to think there should be a 'system' in place to decide things for the YaCoin 'community'.  This thought process goes against the principles behind cryptocurrencies.

Well not for, but a system by which we decide stuff. (If that was clear ignore)

The rest would be just anarchy and as Sairon said even changing a logo or name would otherwise result in a flamewar. A voting result by an commonly accepted method is the only way to shut up people that can't accept that their suggestion won't be used without shutting them up forever. It might not be so essential on the current size, but if YAC grows we will need it to be able move.

[Joe_Bauers]

LOL, can't believe I've started a flamewar just by changing a *NovaCoin* logo to something resembling YAC.

Nice job!  

What are the rules? Every account can vote?

That sounds good to me.  The vote should be for the logo and for the name. Both of which are going to be "officially" changing within the next few weeks.  I'm absolutely committed to doing what the overall community wants for YACoin, but ultimately, to some of Beave162's concerns and so things will not stagnate, it will be my decision.  

My votes are for the logo as used by Beave162, and for changing the name to Your Alternative Currency. If the final
vote does not result in a majority, then those are the changes that I will make.  

[St.Bit]

My votes are for the logo as used by Beave162, and for changing the name to Your Alternative Currency. If the final
vote does not result in a majority, then those are the changes that I will make.  

You really want to spam the dev thread with votes?! Please open a new topic.

I'm for Beave162 logo and Yet Another Currency.

[Joe_Bauers]

You really want to spam the dev thread with votes?!

I'm for Beave162 logo and Yet Another Currency.

I believe ilostcoins is going to open it. The voting threads should not be opened or maintained by me. To your point, please let's not use this thread for voting.

[ilostcoins]

I'm making the thread. Wait a moment. 

[Joe_Bauers]

I'm making the thread. Wait a moment. 

Awesome thanks!  I will be sending some YAC's your way.

[Sahtor]

Sorry I've been little inactive aswell. I'm on the Ɏ logo and Your Alternative... side. yacoin.org displaying stuff like yak is easily changed if we reach consensus. Just keep in mind that I don't directly control the site nor does other yacointalk admins.

1 bug thats been consistent with Yacoin in Ubuntu has been missing menubars and taskbar menus. This affects CoinControl version too. I see it as QT problem with my system or the code. BTC and LTC 0.8 stable are both working fine on my machine.

Slow startup has been fixed in 0.8 versions of different Wallets with optimizations or by moving to LevelDB wallet instead of libdb4.8. I would wait until PPC or NVC moves forward but depending on our skillful coders we could imitate LTC too.

Thanks WindMaster for your summer's contributions and letting us continue with the project.

[St.Bit]

Slow startup has been fixed in 0.8 versions of different Wallets with optimizations or by moving to LevelDB wallet instead of libdb4.8. I would wait until PPC or NVC moves forward but depending on our skillful coders we could imitate LTC too.

YAC is currently by far the slowest client I have running. I hope you can fix that, but you don't have to reinvent the weel when you could copy it easier from someone else.

On the same issue, Sairon said he is currently working on an electrum implementation for YAC. I know you guys hate centralisation, but as long as the blockchain is updating I've no problems with using electrum for transactions with yacoin-qt. Since electrum shouldn't be used for PoS you should have to run yacoin-qt anyways. Why adding another program to the computer that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

"Download a full client, fund it via exchange and you are ready to go." without all the security risks of most people running just electrum.

Thanks WindMaster for your summer's contributions and letting us continue with the project.

I almost forgot to thank WM for his work. Thanks a lot and I hope you might return again and regret that you sold yours xD!

EDIT: added the underlined

[sairon]

Why adding another program that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

Yeah, show me the YAC client running on your android phone.

[St.Bit]

Why adding another program that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

Yeah, show me the YAC client running on your android phone.

I hope you don't want to PoS on your phone so you'd have to run yacoin-qt anyways.

[sairon]

Why adding another program that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

Yeah, show me the YAC client running on your android phone.

I hope you don't want to PoS on your phone so you'd have to run yacoin-qt anyways.

Why would I want to PoS mine on a phone? LOL Also, I don't have enough coins for PoS to really matter.
Also, it's not like it couldn't be implemented in electrum.

[St.Bit]

Why adding another program that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

Yeah, show me the YAC client running on your android phone.

I hope you don't want to PoS on your phone so you'd have to run yacoin-qt anyways.

Why would I want to PoS mine on a phone? LOL Also, I don't have enough coins for PoS to really matter.

I've even edited that post for you so stop loling at me! :I just sent you 12YAC so even you could enjoy some PoS(


EDIT: There seems to be a bug in the client:

I wanted to sent some spare (as mentioned above) and did that bevor the blockchain got updated completely. Since it said "Transaction sent" I forgot about it and it got closed while reboot. I don't autostart yacoin so I just noticed it because I thought I might have used the wrong adress and checked it on yacexplorer.

There should be at least a warning when closing the client with pending txts and an option to chancle such.

[aso118]

Why adding another program that does the same as the original but a little faster and can't replace it.

Yeah, show me the YAC client running on your android phone.

*catching up on the last few days of post*

So do we think an android client is feasible?  Do we think we can have it up and running some-what-soon?  One of the strengths of YAC is its super fast confirmation time.  We might as well use it to our advantage.  I know several of my friends/family/colleges would be interested in a way to send YAC through a mobile app.

[St.Bit]

So do we think an android client is feasible?

Hell yea!

Do we think we can have it up and running some-what-soon?

I don't know, but I'm supporting it with a 5kYAC bounty.

One of the strengths of YAC is its super fast confirmation time.  We might as well use it to our advantage.

This doesn't matter much if it takes 5min to start the client and wait 30min to update the blockchain. There is no benefit in getting to work by racecar if it takes 30min to start. I don't like lite clients or onlinewallets and belive they should be avoided when possible.

YAC could be made ultrafast if we go even further and include electrum into yacoin-qt. As long as the bockchain is updated it will be used to send funds and check balances. Without having to wait for the blockchain there is no reason to use something else on computers.

[ilostcoins]

I'm making the thread. Wait a moment. 

Awesome thanks!  I will be sending some YAC's your way.

Thank you very much. 

[St.Bit]

I'm making the thread. Wait a moment.  

I would have been a good idea to post the adress aswell:


DON'T VOTE HERE, GO TO:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281595.msg3011758#msg3011758

TO VOTE FOR NAME AND LOGO.