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September 18, 2017, 11:37:01 PM
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1080 tis would be better than Rx due to lower tdp?  I really love
Rx cards due to thier dual mining prowess and i dont even dual mine smh

p.s why only 52kw? are you not doing 240 or 208v ? 1200 amps at 240 would be far
more power?

complex but here goes.

my partner buysolar owns a solar business.

we do 0  battery we sell  excess back to the grid.

we can generate  67 kwatts  of power with full sun.  so if we spend   12 kwatts  on mining  and 5 kwatts on his home in the current setup   we have    55kwatts to sell back each hour.

sellback is 5 cents  so  8 hours of sellback is  55 x 5 cents  = 2,75 x 8 = 22.00 dollars sold

 use 12 kwatts at 11 cents = 12 x 11 x 16 = 21.12 purchased



so   the mining on current system  cost    .8  cents a day

lets say  the panels and setup cost him 50 grand   before state incentives.  far lower then it would cast a regular guy as he is an installer.

our power cost is basically 0 every day  so if we mine  3000 a month in  coins.

say    1500 we are partners and 1500 is his  he is getting 2250 a month for 0 gear cost and 0 power cost.  so 2250 x 24 = 54000  and he has paid his solar array off.

what do I get 0 power cost.

can most people do this no.

as your state or country has to allow power to be sold back to the grid at an okay price.  in our case 4 or 5 cents is okay.


 the current array is  almost paid off for buysolar.

my gear has roi'd

so even though we don't whale like last spring    all gear is paid off.  and we are going to expand.

we Do not go battery route for solar.  as batteries still suck  unless you really know what you are doing they don't last and are costly.


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September 19, 2017, 02:13:46 AM
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I see, seems very complex way outa my league , I guess since your partner owns it you can operate at a whole different level.

@lonerangir buisness rate schedules are very diffrent from residential in pretty much all states ,
they call it the demand rate , basically you pay a higher fee if you dont use a minimum amount of power I think its like 1000kwh

https://www.xcelenergy.com/staticfiles/xe/Regulatory/Regulatory%20PDFs/rates/MN/MNBusRateCard.pdf

for example my total summer rate for 6000kwh this month was .03 + .025 plus the peak demand charges which came to .10 cents summer rates which is great since it includes fees and taxes

in comparison im paying .15 cents summer rates residential in the house and when u add fees taxes and fueul charges its closer to .25 cents

In the winter comercial rates are even better I expect to be paying. .06 or less october to april vs .15 residential
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I see, seems very complex way outa my league , I guess since your partner owns it you can operate at a whole different level.

@lonerangir buisness rate schedules are very diffrent from residential in pretty much all states ,
they call it the demand rate , basically you pay a higher fee if you dont use a minimum amount of power I think its like 1000kwh

https://www.xcelenergy.com/staticfiles/xe/Regulatory/Regulatory%20PDFs/rates/MN/MNBusRateCard.pdf

for example my total summer rate for 6000kwh this month was .03 + .025 plus the peak demand charges which came to .10 cents summer rates which is great since it includes fees and taxes

in comparison im paying .15 cents summer rates residential in the house and when u add fees taxes and fueul charges its closer to .25 cents

In the winter comercial rates are even better I expect to be paying. .06 or less october to april vs .15 residential


Yeah  the install is about ½ price for him.

But  NJ  allows us to sell back  to the Electrical companies at a decent price  which is key for this to work.

Wisconsin power companies built  a lot of wind power  by the lakes.  So that state is like f u and your solar power.

NJ does not have the great lakes spo  solar is the best shot for clean power.  It work nices so far.  But I am sure the state will want to f it up down the road.

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September 19, 2017, 02:45:44 AM
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I have a 20kW solar array that I installed myself.  Total cost was around $30k all inclusive.  The quotes I got were over twice that.

I have a net metering agreement with my POCO, so what I don't use goes back on the grid and the POCO credits me at the same rate I pay, so 1:1.  I'm in VA.

Before I started mining, I was actually building up a bank of kWh with the POCO since I didn't consume as much as I generated.

In June I generated 2,580 kWh and consumed 2,348,

In July I started mining and generated 2,846 kWh and consumed 3,974 kWh.

August was crazy hot.  I generated 2,474 kWh and consumed 5,245 kWh.

My kWh rate is fixed year around and is about $0.12 with everything included.  With the solar and assuming I consume twice as much as I generate, my effective rate is about $0.06 per kWh.  I plan to add another 6.5 kW array, which I can do for about $4,800 since I already have the inverters and just need to get the panels and some Ironridge rails and hardware.
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September 19, 2017, 02:57:15 AM
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I have a 20kW solar array that I installed myself.  Total cost was around $30k all inclusive.  The quotes I got were over twice that.

I have a net metering agreement with my POCO, so what I don't use goes back on the grid and the POCO credits me at the same rate I pay, so 1:1.  I'm in VA.

Before I started mining, I was actually building up a bank of kWh with the POCO since I didn't consume as much as I generated.

In June I generated 2,580 kWh and consumed 2,348,

In July I started mining and generated 2,846 kWh and consumed 3,974 kWh.

August was crazy hot.  I generated 2,474 kWh and consumed 5,245 kWh.

My kWh rate is fixed year around and is about $0.12 with everything included.  With the solar and assuming I consume twice as much as I generate, my effective rate is about $0.06 per kWh.  I plan to add another 6.5 kW array, which I can do for about $4,800 since I already have the inverters and just need to get the panels and some Ironridge rails and hardware.

Very nice, a small solar array is in my future I think next year
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I have a 20kW solar array that I installed myself.  Total cost was around $30k all inclusive.  The quotes I got were over twice that.

I have a net metering agreement with my POCO, so what I don't use goes back on the grid and the POCO credits me at the same rate I pay, so 1:1.  I'm in VA.

Before I started mining, I was actually building up a bank of kWh with the POCO since I didn't consume as much as I generated.

In June I generated 2,580 kWh and consumed 2,348,

In July I started mining and generated 2,846 kWh and consumed 3,974 kWh.

August was crazy hot.  I generated 2,474 kWh and consumed 5,245 kWh.

My kWh rate is fixed year around and is about $0.12 with everything included.  With the solar and assuming I consume twice as much as I generate, my effective rate is about $0.06 per kWh.  I plan to add another 6.5 kW array, which I can do for about $4,800 since I already have the inverters and just need to get the panels and some Ironridge rails and hardware.

yeah   we are a little cheaper since he get parts at wholesale.  but nj power costs more.

10 cents for 7 months and 17 cents for 5 months

I never could be in the mining game solid with out the solar array.
Buysolar saves time and energy on getting gear and maintaining gear.  So it works.  this year was good enough for him to decide to build a bigger array in 3 stages.

so  the numbers below are   how much gear will be run for 'free'

9   - 13 kwatts now ---------------- split coins

all future numbers
19 - 27 kwatts fall---------  2017-- split coins
29 - 41 kwatts summer---  2018-- split coins
39 - 55 kwatts fall---------  2018-- split coins





I do 3 - 5 kwatts in house ---------------------------- all mine
I do 1 - 2 kwatts in a friends office ------------------ split coins
I do 1 -2  Kwatts in a second friends office --------- split coins

This was a good year.  For many people in coins.

So for the last 2 years

 I access 11-17 kwatts at a split coin price.

which means I have 5.5-8.5 free kwatts

and 3-5  kwatts at about 13.5 cents

those  'free' kwatts  give me the luxury of never mining at a power loss  as long as I don't  mine  too much  with the full pay power.

It also allows me to run gear at lower clocks to not burn it up.  which allows me to sell  good working used gear once in a while.

Its a business plan that  gives  no losses  if I am not a  high risk player.

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September 19, 2017, 03:22:55 AM
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Yeah my plan was alot more risky , but I figured once the garage and power was hooked up its a one time cost and I was using the huge profits from the Eth spike
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September 19, 2017, 04:10:25 AM
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true some are on wood, fan is top side so I dont think it makes much of a difference vs the ones directly on metal rails, considering the high ambient temperature...in winter all will be fine.  And they run a bit more than 80%...1000w evga's GQ, solid PSU, running anywhere between 750 and 930w depending if im dual mining or not. (at the wall, 120v, so on 240v its a little less due to better efficiency).  Breakers all run at less than 80% all up to code, but the PSU's themselves dont really need to if they are quality (of course you are correct lifespan with high temp is shortened).  Warranty is 7 years though...

generally they are heavy duty, but to be specific it takes only a single electronic component (like an IC or a capacitor to fuck up) to get in an uncomfortable position to accumulate heat and it can cause some weird behavior if it did not die a clean death.

i always prefer a clean death because it is very easy to identify the cause of the problem (stability issue), rather than finding the cause of the problem by the process of elimination..while weird problems takes time and effort to identify..like my 1000w seasonic PSU (I mentioned up thread) which causes restarts if it powers the system and gpus but as a secondary psu, powering only 2 gpus it was very stable.

there is a side of seasonic 1250xm that gets hot like when you touch it you would remove your hand immediately, that side I would not dare lay it flat on a surface...other PSU are of different make and build but still..you get the idea.

Depends on load.  If he does 80 percent 24/7/365 it needs decent air circulation

it is still best to do a "good practice", as a crypto miner sometimes we switch algos often/seldom/always and consume higher power..by doing so it may not come to our minds that we should give more air circulation to the psu, and by doing a "good practice" we can prevent them from happening.


yeah  more air is better for psu's  not worse.

I some times use these under gear for air  as they  do that and prevent shorting  if you take your time  they can be purchased at 5 dollars for 1. you need 1 per  psu

 they also work  for other gear  when I do the 6 card riser less I will use 2 or 3 of them  under the mobo

https://www.boscovs.com/wcsstore/boscovs/images/store/product/images/643777143ts01066.jpg




I already have a solution to my motherboards.. i posted this in one of your alt coin threads in the past..and you are on your sixth now.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1584973.msg17589827#msg17589827





there is a side of seasonic 1250xm that gets hot like when you touch it you would remove your hand immediately, that side I would not dare lay it flat on a surface...other PSU are of different make and build but still..you get the idea.


 The side away from the fan - but if you have it on a metal shelf it's a GOOD idea to lay it flat, as the shelf will help dissapate the heat some.
 Wood or any other insulator, flat would be bad.


 The way my setup works, all the PS are on their sides though for space and air management reasons so it's not an issue either way.



from where i live there is only two wires for electrical the 240v live and the ground wire..so i don't like metal contacts with my gear...it is a good idea though for setups with proper grounding...

btw the metal frame of my rack was hotter than the air in my mining room lol.. i still believe that metal can better dissipate heat from a psu than the air.
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September 19, 2017, 06:07:25 AM
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Smells really fishy to me. 300W and no aux power connectors on the board? Can't even render the PCB correctly. It's mirrored and then photoshopped some labels on it, which look non-mirrored.

"Invested" billions of whatever currency in it and call it a "GMO"? Come on!

Edit: Those black power converters don't belong on a 300W ASIC board. They are nice and expensive and very efficient, but are not intended for high current/low voltage applications. Proper VRMs are needed for anything >50W.

This is what they look like. Note that the Linear Technology logo is easily recognizable on the "GMO" product. I call it utter BS.


GMO is a legit company. Listed on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, capital $50 million, revenue $1.3 billion (with a b), total assets $5.8 billion, employees 4400+.

https://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO%3A9449

Here's the official Investor Relations note: http://ir.gmo.jp/en/pdf/irlibrary/disclose_info20170907_e.pdf

Here's the official press release: https://www.gmo.jp/en/news/article/?id=752

You should do more research before calling BS.

Whether they will achieve what they announced, but the dates they announced, is another questions. But the company and project/initiative are as legit as can be.
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September 19, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
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Smells really fishy to me. 300W and no aux power connectors on the board? Can't even render the PCB correctly. It's mirrored and then photoshopped some labels on it, which look non-mirrored.

"Invested" billions of whatever currency in it and call it a "GMO"? Come on!

Edit: Those black power converters don't belong on a 300W ASIC board. They are nice and expensive and very efficient, but are not intended for high current/low voltage applications. Proper VRMs are needed for anything >50W.

This is what they look like. Note that the Linear Technology logo is easily recognizable on the "GMO" product. I call it utter BS.


GMO is a legit company. Listed on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, capital $50 million, revenue $1.3 billion (with a b), total assets $5.8 billion, employees 4400+.

https://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO%3A9449

Here's the official Investor Relations note: http://ir.gmo.jp/en/pdf/irlibrary/disclose_info20170907_e.pdf

Here's the official press release: https://www.gmo.jp/en/news/article/?id=752

You should do more research before calling BS.

Whether they will achieve what they announced, but the dates they announced, is another questions. But the company and project/initiative are as legit as can be.

I agree that they are real  as to whether they build a good piece of gear    " ?  "   seem to cover it.  I will look for it.

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September 19, 2017, 01:29:18 PM
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I need some help guys . .

I moved a three card riser-less build (actually because the AORUS is massive one was on a riser) to a 6 card riser build

originally 1080 TI 1080 TI 1070 mini . . no issues

now 1070 mini 1070 mini 1080 ti 1080 ti 1070 mini 1070 mini



Obviously there is a problem, I am running nvOC_19. Everything seems fine on the terminal but clearly something is not. .

The rig should be @ 3k

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Smells really fishy to me. 300W and no aux power connectors on the board? Can't even render the PCB correctly. It's mirrored and then photoshopped some labels on it, which look non-mirrored.

"Invested" billions of whatever currency in it and call it a "GMO"? Come on!

Edit: Those black power converters don't belong on a 300W ASIC board. They are nice and expensive and very efficient, but are not intended for high current/low voltage applications. Proper VRMs are needed for anything >50W.

This is what they look like. Note that the Linear Technology logo is easily recognizable on the "GMO" product. I call it utter BS.


GMO is a legit company. Listed on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, capital $50 million, revenue $1.3 billion (with a b), total assets $5.8 billion, employees 4400+.

https://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO%3A9449

Here's the official Investor Relations note: http://ir.gmo.jp/en/pdf/irlibrary/disclose_info20170907_e.pdf

Here's the official press release: https://www.gmo.jp/en/news/article/?id=752

You should do more research before calling BS.

Whether they will achieve what they announced, but the dates they announced, is another questions. But the company and project/initiative are as legit as can be.

I agree that they are real  as to whether they build a good piece of gear    " ?  "   seem to cover it.  I will look for it.

Yes, my bad. BS was unwarranted. We should not judge companies by their name no matter how silly it sounds.

Still, their photoshopped board prop looks really cheesy and those Linear LDO's don't look right.

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I have a 20kW solar array that I installed myself.  Total cost was around $30k all inclusive.  The quotes I got were over twice that.

I have a net metering agreement with my POCO, so what I don't use goes back on the grid and the POCO credits me at the same rate I pay, so 1:1.  I'm in VA.

Before I started mining, I was actually building up a bank of kWh with the POCO since I didn't consume as much as I generated.

In June I generated 2,580 kWh and consumed 2,348,

In July I started mining and generated 2,846 kWh and consumed 3,974 kWh.

August was crazy hot.  I generated 2,474 kWh and consumed 5,245 kWh.

My kWh rate is fixed year around and is about $0.12 with everything included.  With the solar and assuming I consume twice as much as I generate, my effective rate is about $0.06 per kWh.  I plan to add another 6.5 kW array, which I can do for about $4,800 since I already have the inverters and just need to get the panels and some Ironridge rails and hardware.

hey dan, im about to build my array, which brand and wattage would you recomend for the panels and microinverters?, i consume about 2500kWh each 2 months.

I dont plan to reduce my bill to $0, but i want to try first with at least 4 panels..
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phil let me know when i can link up with you and solar guy - would like to lease power on his grid.

beers on me.
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hey dan, im about to build my array, which brand and wattage would you recomend for the panels and microinverters?, i consume about 2500kWh each 2 months.

I dont plan to reduce my bill to $0, but i want to try first with at least 4 panels..
I went with Ubiquiti sunMAX.  I have a lot of their network gear and have been very pleased with it, so I figured I'd give the sunMAX solar products a shot.

260W panels are $203:

http://www.doubleradius.com/Manufacturers/sunMAX/Ubiquiti-sunMAX-Solar-Panel.html

And their 250W inverters are $92:

http://www.doubleradius.com/Manufacturers/sunMAX/Ubiquiti-sunMAX-Microinverter.html

So for under $300, you have a 260W setup.  I got 80 panels and micro inverters, so 20.8kW system for $23,600.  To that cost you add mounting hardware (roof or ground mount) and then misc hardware and electrical.  Still, at the end of the day, your cost is about $1.50 per Watt if you do it yourself.

I was a very early customer of theirs, and I did have 20 out of 80 inverters fail within the first 6 month due to them all being from a pre-release batch that should have never been in the wild.  But they shipped 80 new inverters and I have only had to use 20 of them so far.  This is way I'm looking at doing another array since I already have the inverters.  I have had no failures from the replacement inverters.
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I need some help guys . .

I moved a three card riser-less build (actually because the AORUS is massive one was on a riser) to a 6 card riser build

originally 1080 TI 1080 TI 1070 mini . . no issues

now 1070 mini 1070 mini 1080 ti 1080 ti 1070 mini 1070 mini



Obviously there is a problem, I am running nvOC_19. Everything seems fine on the terminal but clearly something is not. .

The rig should be @ 3k

I have 4 rigs on Windows 10 and all 1080ti x total 12 remain on ZEN on the Lucky Pool -- clocked moderately not too aggressive - seems same pattern like yours.

I think as long as it averages out to around the expected total hash - it should be ok - and just let the stratum server at Lucky Pool do its thing because the Stratum will control how many hash submitted to their server.

My rigs at ZEN@Lucky Pool at https://luckpool.org/workers/znXDyJWDLMFcPYnfjV5HkjCpjwdzgHxP82v

I have taken off the ETH farm off from ZEN to Nicehash since its paying higher and get BTC in return.

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I mine Zen on zhash.pro and my pattern looks like this:



The averages shown are pretty much spot on with what EWBF is telling me.  I run 13x 1080Ti with moderate overclocks on both Core and RAM.  Also got a pair of 1070s similarly clocked.  I have only been mining on this pool since the 14th.
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September 19, 2017, 04:23:31 PM
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I need some help guys . .

I moved a three card riser-less build (actually because the AORUS is massive one was on a riser) to a 6 card riser build

originally 1080 TI 1080 TI 1070 mini . . no issues

now 1070 mini 1070 mini 1080 ti 1080 ti 1070 mini 1070 mini



Obviously there is a problem, I am running nvOC_19. Everything seems fine on the terminal but clearly something is not. .

The rig should be @ 3k

I have 4 rigs on Windows 10 and all 1080ti x total 12 remain on ZEN on the Lucky Pool -- clocked moderately not too aggressive - seems same pattern like yours.

I think as long as it averages out to around the expected total hash - it should be ok - and just let the stratum server at Lucky Pool do its thing because the Stratum will control how many hash submitted to their server.

My rigs at ZEN@Lucky Pool at https://luckpool.org/workers/znXDyJWDLMFcPYnfjV5HkjCpjwdzgHxP82v

I have taken off the ETH farm off from ZEN to Nicehash since its paying higher and get BTC in return.

your rig certainly has dips but mine is dropping to near zero like a crash or restart O_O you think it's a bad riser?

If you reference one of my rigs which is a 1080 TI / 1080 TI / 1070 mini which is a 1.8k sol rig for me / my settings it NEVER drops below 1k, this 6 card rig is dropping from 3k to 50 sols
https://luckpool.org/workers/znWcPtNkPCj6VfLRfMhf6i44DvHoeEfNbcd
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https://luckpool.org/workers/znVUjim9waxP73P5jQ76ezdMpvgTYVnPp3r

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September 19, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
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I mine Zen on zhash.pro and my pattern looks like this:



The averages shown are pretty much spot on with what EWBF is telling me.  I run 13x 1080Ti with moderate overclocks on both Core and RAM.  Also got a pair of 1070s similarly clocked.  I have only been mining on this pool since the 14th.
and @ citronick

my rigs on zec
https://zcash.flypool.org/miners/t1WRoxHVh8vhDJxAr6vpP4zzj3xHGF9ZbgQ
2x 1080 ti & 1070 mini on the same luckpool  diff address / diff rig
https://luckpool.org/workers/znWcPtNkPCj6VfLRfMhf6i44DvHoeEfNbcd
same style rig at minez zone
https://minez.zone/workers/zngoZCdezZLWvkZkTPg42rePGG46JLs63H5

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September 19, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
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So Vosk, you have switched from zhash.pro to luckpool as your preferred zen pool?
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