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October 24, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
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as I've hard-modded my own PC's 1080 with liquid metal to remove the power limit restriction. The increase in performance there is massive on Pascal cards if you can provide good cooling (I've got a water chiller).
Whoa go on. This is the first I have heard of this. Can you provide more information?
That's actually very easy to do. Get the cooler off, locate the resistors, apply liquid metal (I used Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut) and put the cooler back on.

Best way to make sure you don't fuck things up is to follow a proper guide. Go to youtube and search for a guy called der8auer. He's a legend in the modding/extreme overclocking community.

You have to bear some things in mind though: Pascal cards have 3 limits: Power, voltage and temp. If you get rid of one, the other two will still limit you. Get proper (water) cooling and that's 2/3 done. Voltage is trickier. Some bioses out there allow for more juice. You'll have to check whether it can be flashed to your specific card.

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October 24, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
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sale on these cards

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131720

8GB for 259 lowest I have ever seen a 580 for sale

these cards any good ?

They have a poor rma policy .

Do not admit you mine.

I had the rx480s they had two models one was very good,

Let me look.

The red devil was the good one the red dragon was meh

We have 4 rx 470/480s with the Red Devil cooler in my wife's small farm and I have a Rx 480 Red Devil in one of our personal gaming PCs. I really like all of them, very good coolers and zero problems in the 8-12 months that we have owned them. They have a very nice hefty feel to them and are much better quality then any other Powercolor cooler I have had my hands on in the past ~7 years or so.

I have a red devil rx470 and only 1.

One fan is about to fail.

I cannot buy a new one from them (We have no stock) I have to do a full RMA.

Told me to check for 3rd party but never answered my about the spec of the fan.

Not impress at all.

Out of curiosity, how long have you had it, and what % fan speed does it run at?  The ones we have run at 60% fan speed or less for what it's worth.  Overall Powercolor hasn't impressed me with their quality control, so anything's possible with them.

If I had to choose I'd say EVGA is my top pick for quality and after that I really am not sure who I would go with for second place.... most likely ASUS or XFX based on my own experiences.

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October 24, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
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best buy has a good price but a 1 card limit


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-founders-edition-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card/5330700.p?

I had some coupons so my net was 375.

I  am an elite-plus member so I get a 45 day return policy.

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October 24, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
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Hey phil thanks  that could have fooled me.


I almost clicked on this

as it looks convincing.

Instead I went to blockchain info  on a different pc they have no info on their site.
So this is very likely a fake fish .

Not sure  where to put it  but it should be in a few spots.




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October 24, 2017, 10:12:28 PM
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It's probably been answered before but why do you guys love to run at lower TDP? Every calculation I've ever run on any of my cards supports running @ 120%.

 Depends on power cost - for those of us with CHEAP power, it makes some sense to push more for max sol/s vs max efficiency.

 Also depends on how much power you have available - if you are pushing your available power limits, more efficiency makes sense even with cheap power.

 Lower TDP also helps keep the cards cooler, so they are more likely to last longer.

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October 24, 2017, 10:16:43 PM
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It's probably been answered before but why do you guys love to run at lower TDP? Every calculation I've ever run on any of my cards supports running @ 120%.

Take my MSI Gaming X 1070 8GB for example. At +120% TDP +110 core +800 mem it runs at 505 sols on EWBF at 66c. Reduce to 75% TDP, with same overclock it runs at 495 sols on EWBF at 58c. Small reduction in sols for big reduction in power draw and temps.

All cards are different to where there sweet spot is, but between 60-80% is usually where it will be. It seems below 60% hash rates usually start to fall fast, but playing around with the TDP while watching your wattmeter and hashrate you can make a decision on how much you think those extra few sols are worth compared to watts.

 If that's the 8+6 pin dual power connector connector 240 watt "official TDP" card, I suspect you're not seeing it actually get to that +120% TDP - I've never been able to get a ZEC miner to push mine past about 200 watts ACTUAL draw (per NVidia-SMI and confirmed pretty closely by my at-the-wall measurements) no matter what I set it to.
 I DID get it to suck 240 watts in a short test with the distributed.net client - but it ran QUITE hot doing so.

 They ARE a beast for a 1070, but I don't think they're worth the extra $$ or the pain of needing dual connectors on a 1070 - they're getting into 1080 price range most of the time and the 1080s I've worked with to date will outmine them a bit at the same power draw.

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October 24, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
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It's probably been answered before but why do you guys love to run at lower TDP? Every calculation I've ever run on any of my cards supports running @ 120%.

Take my MSI Gaming X 1070 8GB for example. At +120% TDP +110 core +800 mem it runs at 505 sols on EWBF at 66c. Reduce to 75% TDP, with same overclock it runs at 495 sols on EWBF at 58c. Small reduction in sols for big reduction in power draw and temps.

All cards are different to where there sweet spot is, but between 60-80% is usually where it will be. It seems below 60% hash rates usually start to fall fast, but playing around with the TDP while watching your wattmeter and hashrate you can make a decision on how much you think those extra few sols are worth compared to watts.

 If that's the 8+6 pin dual power connector connector 240 watt "official TDP" card, I suspect you're not seeing it actually get to that +120% TDP - I've never been able to get a ZEC miner to push mine past about 200 watts ACTUAL draw (per NVidia-SMI and confirmed pretty closely by my at-the-wall measurements) no matter what I set it to.
 I DID get it to suck 240 watts in a short test with the distributed.net client - but it ran QUITE hot doing so.

 They ARE a beast for a 1070, but I don't think they're worth the extra $$ or the pain of needing dual connectors on a 1070 - they're getting into 1080 price range most of the time and the 1080s I've worked with to date will outmine them a bit at the same power draw.



The Evga I list above gives 395 sols at 100 watts so two of them at 200 watts will do 790 sols.

No 1070 at 120% does 790 sols.  But more then one 1070 at 120% will burn 200 watts.

The msi 1070 red led gamer got. Me about 505 sols pushed hard.




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October 24, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
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https://youtu.be/_UH4Dqlnrq8


Put together a video venting about running a mining farm lol, this is your fault Phil you're the one who answered some critical questions I had xD

What are some frustrating things everyone else deals with in regards to their rigs / farms

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https://youtu.be/_UH4Dqlnrq8


What are some frustrating things everyone else deals with in regards to their rigs / farms

Thanks, I enjoyed your ZEN rig video using NVOC.

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October 25, 2017, 12:27:55 AM
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https://youtu.be/_UH4Dqlnrq8


Put together a video venting about running a mining farm lol, this is your fault Phil you're the one who answered some critical questions I had xD

What are some frustrating things everyone else deals with in regards to their rigs / farms

my tired eyes do not see as well as they did when I was your age Grin
slow shipping.
Slow response on rma's

 --- biostar took more then 90 days
--- gigabyte is also very slow.

evga is a pleasure on an rma.
intel is also really good.
frankly  gpus are kind of fun more then anything else.


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slow to ship
break often
seller is almost always in china
rma's really suck.

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October 25, 2017, 09:41:33 AM
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It's probably been answered before but why do you guys love to run at lower TDP? Every calculation I've ever run on any of my cards supports running @ 120%.

Take my MSI Gaming X 1070 8GB for example. At +120% TDP +110 core +800 mem it runs at 505 sols on EWBF at 66c. Reduce to 75% TDP, with same overclock it runs at 495 sols on EWBF at 58c. Small reduction in sols for big reduction in power draw and temps.

All cards are different to where there sweet spot is, but between 60-80% is usually where it will be. It seems below 60% hash rates usually start to fall fast, but playing around with the TDP while watching your wattmeter and hashrate you can make a decision on how much you think those extra few sols are worth compared to watts.

 If that's the 8+6 pin dual power connector connector 240 watt "official TDP" card, I suspect you're not seeing it actually get to that +120% TDP - I've never been able to get a ZEC miner to push mine past about 200 watts ACTUAL draw (per NVidia-SMI and confirmed pretty closely by my at-the-wall measurements) no matter what I set it to.
 I DID get it to suck 240 watts in a short test with the distributed.net client - but it ran QUITE hot doing so.

 They ARE a beast for a 1070, but I don't think they're worth the extra $$ or the pain of needing dual connectors on a 1070 - they're getting into 1080 price range most of the time and the 1080s I've worked with to date will outmine them a bit at the same power draw.



Yes I agree the MSI Gaming X is not worth the extra ££ if buying for mining, I bought it for gaming initially when they were released, mining wasn't on my radar until around May. Same as Phil when pushed it will pull 505 sols which is really good for a 1070, but I can drop 75w on my wattmeter and still pull around 495 sols and it runs cool and quiet with the massive heatsink Like you say the extra 6pin power plug can be a pain for mining too.

How many sols do you get out of the 1080s? I always thought the extra price comparing cheapest 1070s to cheapest 1080s made the 1070 better value. I guess it depends where you buy from and which country you're in though.

From what I can see the 1060 3gb has the shortest ROI in the UK at least. But then there is the argument of the 1080Ti needing less PCIE slots, but then it needs bigger PSUs, more heat generated... lots to consider!
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October 25, 2017, 10:39:35 AM
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Does anyone know how many amps the 120v 1300 watt power supply needs???
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October 25, 2017, 10:46:39 AM
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1300 / 120 = 10.83 A
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October 25, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
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That's actually very easy to do. Get the cooler off, locate the resistors, apply liquid metal (I used Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut) and put the cooler back on.

Best way to make sure you don't fuck things up is to follow a proper guide. Go to youtube and search for a guy called der8auer. He's a legend in the modding/extreme overclocking community.

You have to bear some things in mind though: Pascal cards have 3 limits: Power, voltage and temp. If you get rid of one, the other two will still limit you. Get proper (water) cooling and that's 2/3 done. Voltage is trickier. Some bioses out there allow for more juice. You'll have to check whether it can be flashed to your specific card.

Sweet thanks man! I'll test on one of my TIs. Winter is coming and I can have ambient temps around these cards at -10C~5C for the next 3 or so months.

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October 25, 2017, 07:36:28 PM
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Yes I agree the MSI Gaming X is not worth the extra ££ if buying for mining, I bought it for gaming initially when they were released, mining wasn't on my radar until around May. Same as Phil when pushed it will pull 505 sols which is really good for a 1070, but I can drop 75w on my wattmeter and still pull around 495 sols and it runs cool and quiet with the massive heatsink Like you say the extra 6pin power plug can be a pain for mining too.

How many sols do you get out of the 1080s? I always thought the extra price comparing cheapest 1070s to cheapest 1080s made the 1070 better value. I guess it depends where you buy from and which country you're in though.

From what I can see the 1060 3gb has the shortest ROI in the UK at least. But then there is the argument of the 1080Ti needing less PCIE slots, but then it needs bigger PSUs, more heat generated... lots to consider!

 GTX 1080 for a short while was running the same to a hair LESS than the GTX 1070, during the peak of the "price gouge" period this summer.
 500 sol/s out of a 1080 is pretty trivial, and they seem to provide a few sol/s more at the same wattage settings than a GTX 1070 once you get above 130 watts or so.

 Depending on price, ZEC hashrate/$ is generally about the same on a GTX 1070, GTX 1080, and GTX 1080 ti especially when you are comparing at the "system" level - individual sale prices and individual card variations and how you set them up to run (efficiency, or max production) all seem to have more input than the actual card model.


 The other thing I have to factor in on my setup is "infrastructure" of how the existing outlets are set up, as I don't have the option of doing significant changes to this place - but on the positive side, a lot of the existing outlets are clustered and almost every existing "duplex outlet" is on it's own dedicated 15A circuit, so I don't really HAVE to change things around to make them work viably well.
 I do have one cluster running from a subpanel I set up to plug into a 220V 30 Amp "drier" circuit, but for ease of management I set that up as 4 x 110V 15 Amp circuits near some of the existing outlets.

 Basically, I aim each rig (except the ASUS B250 mining one) to use 6 amps of power at the wall, which ends up being about 540-550 watts of GPU power draw plus the rest of the system (the CPU does BOINC work, and I have the hard drives set up for BURST mining, so all of my dedicated "mining" rigs are working at least 3 things at a time EXCEPT the ASUS and other "experiment" Intel rig I built, due to Intel drivers not playing well with other drivers for OpenCL usage).

 I may end up switching the CPUs over to mining Monero at some point though - FX8xxx aren't too bad at that, and pay off a LOT faster than Ryzens do (70% or so of the hashrate for about the same power draw on a 8320E vs a Ryzen 1700, but more like 35% of the cost).


 Most of my rigs were ORIGINALLY built to run Folding@Home, where using a bottom-end CPU is a "bad thing, kills your production VERY badly" and using anything less than a 16 lane PCI-E 2.0 slot also hits production noticeably, so they're not as optimised for pure mining use as they could be.
 That's also why most of my rigs are NVidia based - I do have some AMD rigs as well, but right now they're hammering on the Distributed.Net project via the BOINC "Moo Wrapper" project, and generating enough Gridcoin to pay the power bill for them (and not much more any more).
 I sometimes impress myself with the thought of what kind of producion I could do on D.Net/MooWrapper if I swapped all of my NVidia rigs over to that for a couple days....



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October 26, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
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Thinking about building a new rig on one of those Onda motherboards and keeping it in the living room as heating over winter, not sure how I'm going to get the wifes buy in on that though!
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I think Phil sent one over to Rick @ SpotsWood so that he could come up with a case.  So long as you can find a way to put into something like a server case, you can get buy in.

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October 26, 2017, 01:27:16 AM
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Using second account on my phone. That was the six card board. I am supposed to get tracking on the bigger board. Don't have access to Alibaba on this phone. I will post update on the new bigger board soon.

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I have some  cards with you in mind.  maybe spring time.



You know how to reach me.  I'm anxiously waiting.

Also I'm finally getting back my Gigabyte card from RMA this Friday.

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I have some  cards with you in mind.  maybe spring time.



You know how to reach me.  I'm anxiously waiting.

Also I'm finally getting back my Gigabyte card from RMA this Friday.
gigabyte takes  a  month.  I got tracking from dhl  on the mobo. Next week tues. I  ordered some more 1070s can't wait to test it.

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