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October 04, 2017, 05:15:14 AM
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I'm looking to mine either equihash (zec/zen) and/or cryptonight (monero)

Thinking of 1080ti for equihash (for best sol/watt and good mining density and hash per price?)

Also thinking of AMD Vega for cryptonight.

I have some questions

1. How is profit per power consumption currently for mining monero with vega vs mining zec/zen with 1080ti?

2. Is 1080ti the way to go if i got nvidia with equihash? Which brand/model 1080ti?

3. How does Vega 56 compare to 64 for monero? (price per card, hashrate, power consumption, and hashrate per power consumption)




1) Xmr with Vega is 150 - 170W at 1800h/s if you do registry mods. If no mods, 1500h/s at same power consumption. Numbers pulled from my vega 64 rig. 1080ti is $2.50 a day doing zcoin at 130W. Usually they take 200W at 80% PL for most other algos, zcoin is an exception. My vega 64s are making the same amount as 1080ti these days.


2) In my opinion yes, especially since 1080ti can be found close to MSRP. Otherwise 1070s at MSRP gives slightly more sols/$, but twice the space and management. I'll still stick with 1080tis, because having half the problems is great. Any model will do, but FE 1080tis need to be below 80% PL if you live in a hot place. I got my FE 1080tis at $659, but regret not paying a little more for a good cooler like Evga SC2. Because pascal is sensitive to heat, my FE 1080tis are 2-3% slower than my better cooler 1080tis.


3) Vega56 performs within the margin of error of a vega64 in monero. I guess it will be a few percent worse in compute bound algos. Just go with 56s Smiley


I do have 2 1080 ti water cooled they are the Evga hybrid and the msi 1080ti.

If they were cheaper then 800 list price I would say look for them.

I got one at 729 which is a good price for water cooled.

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October 04, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
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I'm looking to mine either equihash (zec/zen) and/or cryptonight (monero)

Thinking of 1080ti for equihash (for best sol/watt and good mining density and hash per price?)

Also thinking of AMD Vega for cryptonight.

I have some questions

1. How is profit per power consumption currently for mining monero with vega vs mining zec/zen with 1080ti?

2. Is 1080ti the way to go if i got nvidia with equihash? Which brand/model 1080ti?

3. How does Vega 56 compare to 64 for monero? (price per card, hashrate, power consumption, and hashrate per power consumption)




I can give  advice on the 1080ti
if you are in the usa and can get these without sales tax.   they are really good deal.

 https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6390-RX

679 plus 15 or so to ship  under 700 with a 1 year warranty and evga is very very very good on warranties.

most 1080ti's are good.

so unless you want a water block version try to get them under 700 usd.

of course if you live in a different country they may cost more.

when I am really lucky I get a good deal on eBay

Hmm thanks that is a good deal but if i end up getting 1080ti's I'm leaning towards ones with at least 3 year warranty even if more expensive.. Have you not had to RMA any 1080ti's? I've had to RMA like 15-20%or so of my reference sapphire rx 470s
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October 04, 2017, 01:45:40 PM
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I'm looking to mine either equihash (zec/zen) and/or cryptonight (monero)

Thinking of 1080ti for equihash (for best sol/watt and good mining density and hash per price?)

Also thinking of AMD Vega for cryptonight.

I have some questions

1. How is profit per power consumption currently for mining monero with vega vs mining zec/zen with 1080ti?

2. Is 1080ti the way to go if i got nvidia with equihash? Which brand/model 1080ti?

3. How does Vega 56 compare to 64 for monero? (price per card, hashrate, power consumption, and hashrate per power consumption)




I can give  advice on the 1080ti
if you are in the usa and can get these without sales tax.   they are really good deal.

 https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6390-RX

679 plus 15 or so to ship  under 700 with a 1 year warranty and evga is very very very good on warranties.

most 1080ti's are good.

so unless you want a water block version try to get them under 700 usd.

of course if you live in a different country they may cost more.

when I am really lucky I get a good deal on eBay

Hmm thanks that is a good deal but if i end up getting 1080ti's I'm leaning towards ones with at least 3 year warranty even if more expensive.. Have you not had to RMA any 1080ti's? I've had to RMA like 15-20%or so of my reference sapphire rx 470s


Okay here is the deal every 1080 ti I own is under 80% tdp
They all run under 70c
I have had 27 of them.

Eight are in builds for miner gamers they are run harder then the 18 I mine with.
I sold the massive aorus it was too big

My 18 have zero issues.
Some in my garage
Some in the solar array
Some in my friends office.

The 8 in the gaming Mining builds are pushed harder and have no issues .

The Evga is available new direct from Evga for 699 or 709 if you want the better warranty

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October 04, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
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One finaly thing these Dayton fans are high quality, super quiet , you cant hear them, I actually wonder if they are running at all or at full speed , I guess I'll play with them more when we bring down the controls.

 In my experience, exhaust and gable fans like the Dayton models use a simple "on/off" type thermostat (and humidistat where present), so they're running at 100% when they're on at all.

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October 04, 2017, 07:16:09 PM
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cryptotore - you could take a look at Eaton ePDU G3 Managed models: http://powerquality.eaton.com/ePDUG3/ which provide remote outlet switching. Just make sure to update firmware and change default credentials while on-site because I`ve had problems to do that remotely.
Eaton provides 1-phase as well as 3-phase PDU's (hint - 3-phase PDU's can be connected to 1-phase source just by modifying the connector).

APC also provides switched rack PDU's: http://www.apc.com/shop/lv/en/categories/power-distribution/rack-power-distribution/switched-rack-pdu/_/N-17k76am

Thanks!

God damn its expensive tho! Tongue

There arent any cheaper alternatives?
I'm looking to consume about 10k-20k W to start with!

 Remote manageable models are ALWAYS bloody expen$ive, I'm afraid.
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October 04, 2017, 07:19:09 PM
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2. Is 1080ti the way to go if i got nvidia with equihash? Which brand/model 1080ti?


 1080 ti for efficiency isn't QUITE as good as the 1070 - but it's very close at the card level, and once you factor in the entire system it's pretty much a tossup.
 1080 (non-ti) is in the same efficiency range either way.

 I'd be inclined to go 1080ti if my current infrastructure was set up for riser rigs as cooling wouldn't be an isssue, and fewer cards to manage would be a plus.

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October 05, 2017, 03:57:05 AM
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2. Is 1080ti the way to go if i got nvidia with equihash? Which brand/model 1080ti?


 1080 ti for efficiency isn't QUITE as good as the 1070 - but it's very close at the card level, and once you factor in the entire system it's pretty much a tossup.
 1080 (non-ti) is in the same efficiency range either way.

 I'd be inclined to go 1080ti if my current infrastructure was set up for riser rigs as cooling wouldn't be an isssue, and fewer cards to manage would be a plus.



I have a lot of 1080 ti's

And a few 1070's

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October 05, 2017, 11:14:05 AM
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I did not know 1070s had (slightly) more efficiency than 1080ti, or any other nvidia gpu for that matter, for mining equihash... I may have to consider going for 1070s instead.. Considering the room I have my 6 rigs (gpu rigs, have polaris in them ATM but am planning to upgrade some of the gpus to nvidia for equihash) in get hotter easily, even if I'm using a couple hundred watts less with each rig... it would be a benefit having the slightly lower heat output.

I am planning on undervolting whichever nvidia gpus i go with and tweaking for max profit per power consumption (efficiency)

And also 1070s when buying are a bit less $ per (equihash) hashrate right?

Definitely gonna check out the 1070s now thanks
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October 05, 2017, 02:11:41 PM
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I did not know 1070s had (slightly) more efficiency than 1080ti, or any other nvidia gpu for that matter, for mining equihash... I may have to consider going for 1070s instead.. Considering the room I have my 6 rigs (gpu rigs, have polaris in them ATM but am planning to upgrade some of the gpus to nvidia for equihash) in get hotter easily, even if I'm using a couple hundred watts less with each rig... it would be a benefit having the slightly lower heat output.

I am planning on undervolting whichever nvidia gpus i go with and tweaking for max profit per power consumption (efficiency)

And also 1070s when buying are a bit less $ per (equihash) hashrate right?

Definitely gonna check out the 1070s now thanks

I some times get a 1070 for 369 and 5% off a net of 350.

They do 425 for zec at 65% tdp

To be equal to this you need to find the 1080 ti under 650.

It can be found  on eBay once in a while eBay gives 8 or 10 percent off a newegg sale.

This is a decent 1070
 I used that amazon seller
I have a 5% off deal with my cc  so this is 415 - 21 = 394


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October 05, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
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Hello guys.

I am on Windows 10 Pro. I have 2 x Palit GTX1070 dual fans and they barely reach 400 sols at:
power limit 65%
temp limit 70C
fans 80%
core +200
mem +650


How do you get 425 sols/s on a 1070?

Are you on windows 10?

What driver are you using?

What are your afterburner settings?


Planning a new riser-less build :
processor: Ryzen 1700
motherboard: Gigabyte AB350 GAMING 3
memort: 2x8GB DDR4
Corsair RM1000x
Full tower case: Phantek Enthoo Pro or NZXT Source 530
2xZotac 1080ti blower edition(4 months used ~ USD640 each)
1xZotac 1070 mini

Will this work in the full tower case or will it get too hot?
I would like to mine xmr with cpu and zec with the gpus.
Whats optimal settings for power efficiency for gtx1080ti / gtx1070 / ryzen1700 ?
what power? core? mem? should be set  in AB?
my electricity rate ~ USD 0.14 kwh.

What's a good estimate on the power draw at optimal settings?

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October 05, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
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Wow 65% tdp for the 1070 sounds great.. maybe i'll mix 1080ti's and 1070s (and maybe 1080s too since they have about the same efficiency apparently?)

Regarding Ryzen 1700 for cpu mining I currently have mine at 3.6 @ 1.18v or so. I think like 40-50w total? hashing 550-575h/s.. can probably OC a bit more and get a bit more profit per power consumption
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October 05, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
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Whats up guys, long time no activity on this forum.. been busy with life.. had my house lost from Hurricane Irma...

Just wanted to chime in and see how peeps are doing.. 

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October 05, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
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Whats up guys, long time no activity on this forum.. been busy with life.. had my house lost from Hurricane Irma...

Just wanted to chime in and see how peeps are doing.. 

My late mom's house  was flooded badly.

My stepfather had placed it up for sale in July  after my mom passed in June.

Irma  came by and really damaged it.

My stepdad  suffered with my mom passing and now the house has a lot of damage.  My mom was 88 and my step dad is 84  not  a good year for him.



Back to coins I am hanging in there.  Profits exist but are lower.

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October 05, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
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I decided against the intake fan returned it and saved some $$ , even with just two fans going the 100 GPUs are super cool now

room temp is 60 degrees  or so .

What I also noticed is with the door closed , the static pressure of two fans actually turns the third fan into an intake fan !!

So I figure if I seal the room completely I can get two fans to work as intakes anyways as needed and the remaining four as exhuast.

I can also now run another six fans as needed down the line for a total of 18000CFM exhuast.

I calculated that with even six fans and 9000CFM using the 400/CFM per ton calc thats almost equivalent to a 21TON AC at a fraction of the install and ussage cost.


If it gets bad in the summer even with 12 fans I can throw in an EVAP cooler , so I should be set to max out my 600AMP service now

Thanks all for the tips , especially Phill.

I will post final pics when we complete the install.
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October 05, 2017, 06:09:42 PM
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nice ..


 just be sure all your power on the one wall is protected from leaks.



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October 05, 2017, 06:49:07 PM
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Regarding Ryzen 1700 for cpu mining I currently have mine at 3.6 @ 1.18v or so. I think like 40-50w total? hashing 550-575h/s.. can probably OC a bit more and get a bit more profit per power consumption

I have got to be missing something.... I have been trying to use XMR-Stack for a friends build on an X1500.  Its my first time setting up that miner but I am getting terrible hash rates!  Only showing 58-60 H/s.  I have win pro and pages locked.  Have not overclocked the processor yet but think thats my next step?

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October 05, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
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Regarding Ryzen 1700 for cpu mining I currently have mine at 3.6 @ 1.18v or so. I think like 40-50w total? hashing 550-575h/s.. can probably OC a bit more and get a bit more profit per power consumption

I have got to be missing something.... I have been trying to use XMR-Stack for a friends build on an X1500.  Its my first time setting up that miner but I am getting terrible hash rates!  Only showing 58-60 H/s.  I have win pro and pages locked.  Have not overclocked the processor yet but think thats my next step?

Maybe try claymores CPU miner and see if the hashrate is better.. might be a xmr-stak misconfig.. make sure # of threads is half your L3 cache.. so like for my ryzen 1700 it has 16mb l3 cache so it uses 8 threads for good hashrate

also i read something about using cpus a certain way if you have less cpu cores than the ideal # of threads to use.. theres a post about this tip somewhere maybe its https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/

something like instead of threads on cpu 0, 2, 4, 6, 10, 12.. the last one was 11 so it showed 0, 2, 4, 6, 8,10,11.. idk exact details but the tip was something like this (it didn't apply to my ryzen 1700 but might apply to your ryzen 1500x)
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October 05, 2017, 06:54:50 PM
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Regarding Ryzen 1700 for cpu mining I currently have mine at 3.6 @ 1.18v or so. I think like 40-50w total? hashing 550-575h/s.. can probably OC a bit more and get a bit more profit per power consumption

I have got to be missing something.... I have been trying to use XMR-Stack for a friends build on an X1500.  Its my first time setting up that miner but I am getting terrible hash rates!  Only showing 58-60 H/s.  I have win pro and pages locked.  Have not overclocked the processor yet but think thats my next step?

Maybe try claymores CPU miner and see if the hashrate is better.. might be a xmr-stak misconfig.. make sure # of threads is half your L3 cache.. so like for my ryzen 1700 it has 16mb l3 cache so it uses 8 threads for good hashrate

Thanks ill try that.  I hooked him up on minerstat and it has XMR-Stack integrated so I figured I would try that.  Will give Claymore's a try and see. 

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October 05, 2017, 09:16:04 PM
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Phillip,

What ya mining lately with your gear.....

Ive been out of mining for over a month, before the hurricane i was using awesome miner on zec, but last few days on zec has been terrible since putting some of my gear back online.. had to replace a lot of equipment that was damaged from water damage.. many of the GPU's did well tho even getting wet, i have cobbled together some of them onto a few machines and they seem to be running fine, 1 gpu i have is running ok, its about 10-12% low on the hashrate on every algo i try on it, so i am guessing its been damaged somehow internally.

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October 05, 2017, 09:30:53 PM
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I decided against the intake fan returned it and saved some $$ , even with just two fans going the 100 GPUs are super cool now

room temp is 60 degrees  or so .

What I also noticed is with the door closed , the static pressure of two fans actually turns the third fan into an intake fan !!

So I figure if I seal the room completely I can get two fans to work as intakes anyways as needed and the remaining four as exhuast.

I can also now run another six fans as needed down the line for a total of 18000CFM exhuast.

I calculated that with even six fans and 9000CFM using the 400/CFM per ton calc thats almost equivalent to a 21TON AC at a fraction of the install and ussage cost.


If it gets bad in the summer even with 12 fans I can throw in an EVAP cooler , so I should be set to max out my 600AMP service now

Thanks all for the tips , especially Phill.

I will post final pics when we complete the install.

That's a nice setup you have there man, congrats and well done on all the hard work getting it setup.  It sounds like you should be doing pretty well for cooling and airflow now. Smiley

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