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Author Topic: [OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 #  (Read 417663 times)
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January 15, 2014, 10:10:36 PM
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hi guys i got 2 questions:

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i stopped mining at mid of dec.
but on jan 11th i got a small payment:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1KJaJktJ9q1M12McyYSLKXhaqyASGXS4S5

but i didnt mine for approximately a month.

why did i get these coins?


2)
some of my earlier payouts are market as "generated" in my bitcoin-qt wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1KJaJktJ9q1M12McyYSLKXhaqyASGXS4S5
does that mean i earn the network fees produced by this coins? so does it make sense to throw them in the economy instead of holding in my wallet so they can produce fee for me? OR am i absolutely wrong? Please explain then.

Thanks


Shelved shares which were paid.  See http://eligius.st/~gateway/faq-page/faq-4

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January 16, 2014, 05:27:50 AM
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hi guys i got 2 questions:

1)
i stopped mining at mid of dec.
but on jan 11th i got a small payment.
but i didnt mine for approximately a month.
why did i get these coins?

The Eligius Pool tries to reward shares to their fair PPS value. However, since block creation (thus rewards) is a random process, the PPS value is only the "long-term average" value of a share. On a given day/week/month, the pool may find a little more or a little less blocks than the expected value.

If the pool finds less, then it can't pay all the shares. It therefore keeps those unpaid shares in a log, to be paid when the pool is more lucky, and finds more blocks than the average. (It pays most recent shares first)

When you stopped mining, you had a few unpaid shares left in the log. When the pool got lucky, it payed thoses shares to you.

According to your page, you have about 0.0036 BTC worth of unpaid shares left.

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some of my earlier payouts are market as "generated" in my bitcoin-qt wallet.
does that mean i earn the network fees produced by this coins? so does it make sense to throw them in the economy instead of holding in my wallet so they can produce fee for me? OR am i absolutely wrong? Please explain then.

Thanks

Unfortunately, you are absolutely wrong.

Each block contains many "normal" transactions, in which people send to other people coins. Coins you recieved from a "normal" transaction will appear as "recieved" in your wallet.

Furthermore, each block contains a special transaction, the generation transaction, which "creates" coins from nowhere. The amount that may be created by such generation transaction is currently equal to 25 BTC, plus whatever the total amount of coins that were "destroyed" in transaction fees in all the transactions included in that block. (Thus, an average block currently generates about 25.1 BTC)

Coins recieved from a generation transaction are marked "Generated" in your wallet. Apart from that, they have no special value or property whatsoever. They can be spent like any other recieved coin. (This is not completely true: coins recieved from a generation transaction may not be spent before 120 blocks (20 hours on average), wheras coins recieved from normal transactions may be spent after 6 blocks (1 hour))
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January 16, 2014, 08:28:55 AM
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So, i also stopped mining.. to receive last final payment from the pool, i wait for 30 days (shelved shares) and then i set the minimum payout to whats in my balance right (or 1mbtc less)?
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January 16, 2014, 09:23:36 AM
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Nothing seems to be normal. When do you think everything will be sorted out
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January 16, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
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hi guys i got 2 questions:

1)
i stopped mining at mid of dec.
but on jan 11th i got a small payment.
but i didnt mine for approximately a month.
why did i get these coins?

The Eligius Pool tries to reward shares to their fair PPS value. However, since block creation (thus rewards) is a random process, the PPS value is only the "long-term average" value of a share. On a given day/week/month, the pool may find a little more or a little less blocks than the expected value.

If the pool finds less, then it can't pay all the shares. It therefore keeps those unpaid shares in a log, to be paid when the pool is more lucky, and finds more blocks than the average. (It pays most recent shares first)

When you stopped mining, you had a few unpaid shares left in the log. When the pool got lucky, it payed thoses shares to you.

According to your page, you have about 0.0036 BTC worth of unpaid shares left.

2)
some of my earlier payouts are market as "generated" in my bitcoin-qt wallet.
does that mean i earn the network fees produced by this coins? so does it make sense to throw them in the economy instead of holding in my wallet so they can produce fee for me? OR am i absolutely wrong? Please explain then.

Thanks

Unfortunately, you are absolutely wrong.

Each block contains many "normal" transactions, in which people send to other people coins. Coins you recieved from a "normal" transaction will appear as "recieved" in your wallet.

Furthermore, each block contains a special transaction, the generation transaction, which "creates" coins from nowhere. The amount that may be created by such generation transaction is currently equal to 25 BTC, plus whatever the total amount of coins that were "destroyed" in transaction fees in all the transactions included in that block. (Thus, an average block currently generates about 25.1 BTC)

Coins recieved from a generation transaction are marked "Generated" in your wallet. Apart from that, they have no special value or property whatsoever. They can be spent like any other recieved coin. (This is not completely true: coins recieved from a generation transaction may not be spent before 120 blocks (20 hours on average), wheras coins recieved from normal transactions may be spent after 6 blocks (1 hour))

thanks!!!
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January 17, 2014, 03:52:39 AM
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wk when server europe?

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January 17, 2014, 05:14:13 AM
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Either the stats pages are down, or I just dropped to 0gh and had my .02 btc go from confirmed to "estimated". :-)

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January 17, 2014, 05:42:18 AM
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The pool seems to be down. Timeout on all clients - multiple geographic locations, and stats says pool at 0 kh/s.
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January 17, 2014, 05:42:27 AM
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Pool is down still?

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January 17, 2014, 05:52:46 AM
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down here..

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January 17, 2014, 05:57:55 AM
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Definitely down.

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January 17, 2014, 06:05:17 AM
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Slush appears to be down as well...
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January 17, 2014, 06:06:47 AM
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Slush appears to be down as well...

and BTCguild... what's going on  Huh

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January 17, 2014, 06:08:52 AM
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Yeah, slush seems to be limping along for me now. Others are reporting problems though. Definitely smells like something is up (coordinated DDoS?).
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January 17, 2014, 06:14:09 AM
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Yeah, slush seems to be limping along for me now. Others are reporting problems though. Definitely smells like something is up (coordinated DDoS?).

ghash.io appears fully functional...

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January 17, 2014, 06:23:08 AM
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On a train to Arisia here. Eclipse is up and fully operational; they're my backup pool. Hm. I'm cruising at 182gh there, not bad actually.

So hit eclipse if you need hash space.

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January 17, 2014, 06:42:41 AM
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stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:12234  - went down for me

stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334  -  is working
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January 17, 2014, 07:07:05 AM
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Seems someone tried an interesting DoS against Eligius (and possibly other pools).  For Eligius, it caused our database to overload and stop accepting shares.  (I'll post more details once I patch against this.)
Nothing compromised.  No security issues. Servers are fine, etc.

No worries, I have the pool in full failsafe mode so that shares are accepted and logged.  Unfortunately stats pages do not work in this mode.  I'm working on correcting the underlying issue so this can't happen again.  

Since it is ~2AM here I'm not sure I have the energy to actually finish this morning, but I will try.  In any case, no accepted shares are lost and all will be reconciled and caught up as soon as I get everything back in working order.

No shares are lost!  No earnings are lost, we even just found a block 00000000000000010190c8a62986f0fc126fd7082a580422f47bb91af80b2728.

Once all is done I will get a manual payout together and catch up the payout queue.

Thanks for mining!

-wk

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January 17, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
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Thanks for all your efforts wizkid057.  I didn't see any of my miners change pool all night, so looks like it didn't effect me (though if BTCGuild was also hit, they were my backup I'm not how that'd have been handled).
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January 17, 2014, 10:17:25 AM
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Looks like this is taking longer than expected, and I'm working off of only a couple hours of sleep. Sad  Sorry folks, I tried.  I need at least a short nap before my commute.

Unfortunately by my estimates it will take another couple of hours to finish this full recovery, and I have to head out to my normal day job in about 90 minutes.

So, we're going to be in fail safe mode for a while, since it will have to wait until I get home from work (~4PM ET, or about 11 hours from now) before I can actually continue to address it.

I'll repeat as normal: No shares are lost, no earnings are lost.  Please do not panic and just continue to mine as normal. The pool is still finding blocks, they're being paid to the offline wallet for now. I will get stats and payouts caught up after I return home from work, since the majority of everything needed to be done (waiting on databases) should be done by then.

I expect everything to be fully operational no later than about 16 hours from the time of this post, allotting time for unexpected delays.

Thanks for your patience.

As always, if Eligius accepts a share from your miner, and your username is a proper bitcoin address (with or without optional _workername appended), then your share is counted and you have nothing to worry about.

-wk

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