[OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 #

[ionstorm]

wow taking a look at http://blockchain.info/pools it seems like GHash.io is going to surpass  BTCGuild, and we dropped to 12% of the network, hope we can get in the 20's

[ehmdjii]

i guess this question was already asked but i couldnt find an answer.

on the configurable options page, what do i have to put in the signature field to save my settings? (using an address from blockchain.info)

[CeeCee]

i can't find it but i am sure there is some hidden option to show a 6 month overview.  anybody

[opentoe]

2:10AM EST something wasn't quite right.  Pool hashrate went over 600TH/s, my own hashrate showed an additional 100GH/s I wasn't hashing and that moved up into the 256seconds slot then both the 256seconds hashrate and the 128seconds hashrate dropped to roughly half my actual hashrate but these oddities weren't reflected on the graph.  Then the pool hashrate dropped from 600TH/s to 400TH/s.  Now the pool is up to 680TH/s and my own hashrate is showing twice what it should be.  Something is flukey.  Also, I usually see my payout behind one or two blocks, but right now it's behind 10blocks.  Is that right or is the pool getting ripped off somehow?

"Please note that there are still some artifacts happening with the hashrate graphs and short term hash rates. Rest assured that these are just stats glitches which I'm working on correcting soon. Thanks. -wk"

This is written in in big red letters on the main page of the stats.  Its a timestamping issue I haven't had time to fix yet.  It only effects stats, doesn't effect earnings.

Seriously, what other information do I have as in rewards in what I'm making on this pool? All I see are three lines:
As of last block
Estimated Change
Estimated Total

Is there anything else that shows me my rewards per blocks or anything like that with this pool. My friend pulled my arm again and forced me to try this pool again, but when looking for detailed information on how well or shitty I'm doing I just can't find it. And there is a number on my screen that says ALL TIME PAYOUT that has nothing to do with what I ever got paid. It is much higher.  Remember, I'm coming from BTC Guild, where all this information is right on your dashboard. I'm just trying to look for it on this pool. Can someone point me in the right direction? Free/No fees or not...if you can't see what your miner is doing then what's the point, right?

Eligius stats have tons of information exposed.  Obviously you can "see what your miner is doing" through the stats.  CPPSRB does not work the same as PPLNS (or pseudo PPLNS like guild uses).  Showing any per-block-per-user stats with CPPSRB would be confusing and misleading.  Also, "All time total payout" *is* exactly to the satoshi what you have been paid by the pool, verifiable by anyone looking at the blockchain.  That number is literally incremented by reading the raw payout transactions and adding the values for people paid.  If the transaction isn't in the blockchain, it can't be shown as part of "All time total payout".

What stats? If I'm mining with Eligius and want to know what my rewards were on the last three blocks, where can I see this information? Is it there? This is all PPLNS. All I see is my hashrate and then can browse the blocks randomly that have nothing personally to do with me.

[soy]

i guess this question was already asked but i couldnt find an answer.

on the configurable options page, what do i have to put in the signature field to save my settings? (using an address from blockchain.info)

As far as I know you need Bitcoin-QT running on a machine owning the payout address.  In Bitcoin-QT go to File menu and the Sign Message option.  Top line put the receive address.  Body put the line from the options page describing the changes.  Then click Sign Message and a long string will appear in the Signature field.  Check its accuracy by going to Verify Message where you input all the same data and click Verify.  If it checks you put that Signature in the space on the configurable options page and mash submit.

[CeeCee]

i guess this question was already asked but i couldnt find an answer.

on the configurable options page, what do i have to put in the signature field to save my settings? (using an address from blockchain.info)

it's easy! https://blockchain.info/de/wallet/wallet-faq just look under How can I sign a Bitcoin message?

[eleuthria]

orphaned blocks hurt. 269982

We came first, before slush by 30 seconds.  Not sure why our block was rejected.

Wizkid, how many nodes are you connected to?

According to blockchain.info your block wasn't seen for over 20 minutes after slush's.  Don't look at block timestamps, look at the *received time*.

2013-11-16 21:11:51 for Slush
2013-11-16 21:34:25 for Eligius

Even more than that...Slush found the block after his...10 minutes before blockchain.info saw a single node relay the Eligius version of 269982.



EDIT:  Okay...maybe ignore the above.  I'm seeing some *weird* timestamps on the received time with Blockchain.info right now.  Still, you should never base "which block came first" by the block timestamp since the timestamp is not reliable.

[eleuthria]

So "Time" in

http://blockchain.info/block-height/269982

Is not the received time?

2013-11-16 19:47:46 slush
2013-11-16 19:47:17 eligius

Time on that page is the timestamp of the block, which is irrelevant when it comes to which was actually found first.

[wizkid057]

2:10AM EST something wasn't quite right.  Pool hashrate went over 600TH/s, my own hashrate showed an additional 100GH/s I wasn't hashing and that moved up into the 256seconds slot then both the 256seconds hashrate and the 128seconds hashrate dropped to roughly half my actual hashrate but these oddities weren't reflected on the graph.  Then the pool hashrate dropped from 600TH/s to 400TH/s.  Now the pool is up to 680TH/s and my own hashrate is showing twice what it should be.  Something is flukey.  Also, I usually see my payout behind one or two blocks, but right now it's behind 10blocks.  Is that right or is the pool getting ripped off somehow?

"Please note that there are still some artifacts happening with the hashrate graphs and short term hash rates. Rest assured that these are just stats glitches which I'm working on correcting soon. Thanks. -wk"

This is written in in big red letters on the main page of the stats.  Its a timestamping issue I haven't had time to fix yet.  It only effects stats, doesn't effect earnings.

Seriously, what other information do I have as in rewards in what I'm making on this pool? All I see are three lines:
As of last block
Estimated Change
Estimated Total

Is there anything else that shows me my rewards per blocks or anything like that with this pool. My friend pulled my arm again and forced me to try this pool again, but when looking for detailed information on how well or shitty I'm doing I just can't find it. And there is a number on my screen that says ALL TIME PAYOUT that has nothing to do with what I ever got paid. It is much higher.  Remember, I'm coming from BTC Guild, where all this information is right on your dashboard. I'm just trying to look for it on this pool. Can someone point me in the right direction? Free/No fees or not...if you can't see what your miner is doing then what's the point, right?

Eligius stats have tons of information exposed.  Obviously you can "see what your miner is doing" through the stats.  CPPSRB does not work the same as PPLNS (or pseudo PPLNS like guild uses).  Showing any per-block-per-user stats with CPPSRB would be confusing and misleading.  Also, "All time total payout" *is* exactly to the satoshi what you have been paid by the pool, verifiable by anyone looking at the blockchain.  That number is literally incremented by reading the raw payout transactions and adding the values for people paid.  If the transaction isn't in the blockchain, it can't be shown as part of "All time total payout".

What stats? If I'm mining with Eligius and want to know what my rewards were on the last three blocks, where can I see this information? Is it there? This is all PPLNS. All I see is my hashrate and then can browse the blocks randomly that have nothing personally to do with me.

None of the blocks have anything to do with your stats directly, which is why per-user-per-block stats are pretty pointless, and would be confusing and misleading, as I had mentioned.  Eligius is not PPLNS, so PPLNS stats do not make sense here.   Under CPPSRB, shares are never over or underpaid.  They are either paid at 100% PPS, or they remain in the share log until they are paid 100% PPS, forever, and are not discarded until they are paid.  PPLNS discards shares beyond 'N' shares completely.

Each block pays the share log.  You may or may not have any shares in the top of the share log(depending on your mining habits (active 24/7 or not), luck, etc.  If you have some shelved shares, and we find a block, some of those could be paid even though you didn't put in that much work since the last block.  Or, in an unlucky round, all of your shares since the last round may not be in the top of the share log.  So, again, per-user-per-block stats would be entirely misleading because then I would have people who don't understand the reward system at all going nuts trying to make sense of the stats.  Those who do understand the reward system don't need these stats.

In any case, the balance graph updates continuously, and that data is exposed via the API related stuff if you really feel the desire to compute such stats.

-wk

[wizkid057]

orphaned blocks hurt. 269982

We came first, before slush by 30 seconds.  Not sure why our block was rejected.

Wizkid, how many nodes are you connected to?

Just chiming in, as already explained block time isnt reception time.

When I checked logs it looks like we were actually pretty tied with Slush, but Slush won by hitting a second block that confirmed their first, so, no hope for ours after that.

It happens.

-wk

[opentoe]

2:10AM EST something wasn't quite right.  Pool hashrate went over 600TH/s, my own hashrate showed an additional 100GH/s I wasn't hashing and that moved up into the 256seconds slot then both the 256seconds hashrate and the 128seconds hashrate dropped to roughly half my actual hashrate but these oddities weren't reflected on the graph.  Then the pool hashrate dropped from 600TH/s to 400TH/s.  Now the pool is up to 680TH/s and my own hashrate is showing twice what it should be.  Something is flukey.  Also, I usually see my payout behind one or two blocks, but right now it's behind 10blocks.  Is that right or is the pool getting ripped off somehow?

"Please note that there are still some artifacts happening with the hashrate graphs and short term hash rates. Rest assured that these are just stats glitches which I'm working on correcting soon. Thanks. -wk"

This is written in in big red letters on the main page of the stats.  Its a timestamping issue I haven't had time to fix yet.  It only effects stats, doesn't effect earnings.

Seriously, what other information do I have as in rewards in what I'm making on this pool? All I see are three lines:
As of last block
Estimated Change
Estimated Total

Is there anything else that shows me my rewards per blocks or anything like that with this pool. My friend pulled my arm again and forced me to try this pool again, but when looking for detailed information on how well or shitty I'm doing I just can't find it. And there is a number on my screen that says ALL TIME PAYOUT that has nothing to do with what I ever got paid. It is much higher.  Remember, I'm coming from BTC Guild, where all this information is right on your dashboard. I'm just trying to look for it on this pool. Can someone point me in the right direction? Free/No fees or not...if you can't see what your miner is doing then what's the point, right?

Eligius stats have tons of information exposed.  Obviously you can "see what your miner is doing" through the stats.  CPPSRB does not work the same as PPLNS (or pseudo PPLNS like guild uses).  Showing any per-block-per-user stats with CPPSRB would be confusing and misleading.  Also, "All time total payout" *is* exactly to the satoshi what you have been paid by the pool, verifiable by anyone looking at the blockchain.  That number is literally incremented by reading the raw payout transactions and adding the values for people paid.  If the transaction isn't in the blockchain, it can't be shown as part of "All time total payout".

What stats? If I'm mining with Eligius and want to know what my rewards were on the last three blocks, where can I see this information? Is it there? This is all PPLNS. All I see is my hashrate and then can browse the blocks randomly that have nothing personally to do with me.

None of the blocks have anything to do with your stats directly, which is why per-user-per-block stats are pretty pointless, and would be confusing and misleading, as I had mentioned.  Eligius is not PPLNS, so PPLNS stats do not make sense here.   Under CPPSRB, shares are never over or underpaid.  They are either paid at 100% PPS, or they remain in the share log until they are paid 100% PPS, forever, and are not discarded until they are paid.  PPLNS discards shares beyond 'N' shares completely.

Each block pays the share log.  You may or may not have any shares in the top of the share log(depending on your mining habits (active 24/7 or not), luck, etc.  If you have some shelved shares, and we find a block, some of those could be paid even though you didn't put in that much work since the last block.  Or, in an unlucky round, all of your shares since the last round may not be in the top of the share log.  So, again, per-user-per-block stats would be entirely misleading because then I would have people who don't understand the reward system at all going nuts trying to make sense of the stats.  Those who do understand the reward system don't need these stats.

In any case, the balance graph updates continuously, and that data is exposed via the API related stuff if you really feel the desire to compute such stats.

-wk

Thank you for taking the time to write this. Please understand it is hard for a new miner to join a pool and only see his own hash rate and nothing else. While the hashrate graph is nice on MyStats page I'd rather see a breakdown of rewarded coin broken down into quarters. Is that possible? Obviously this information would be delayed due to the nature of how things work, but that would give the user a much more concise feeling of where they stand in the grand scheme of things. Your pool must be good, lots of people have recommended it to me and told me to leave BTC Guild and their fees, but for some reason when ever I have tried and switched over to your pool I barely made any rewards at all. I guess it is just in my nature to find out why, since Guild even takes fees....so technically your pool should pay out more, right? I guess this type of discussion can go on forever and comes up once in a while with new miners. Is is better to be in a pool with less people, more people, etc...all that. In my mind (weather this to be correct or not) I need to be in a pool that can solve a block as quick as they can and onto the next. And for the users that DO understand the reward system. How do they become aware of how they are doing in your pool? Is it they have so much much hashing power they don't bother to even care or do they try and find some way to check on how they are doing. I think I mined with you for 48 hours and my rewards were .2. On Guild it would have been at least double that. (280 Gh/s). And I'm just a guy trying to figure out why that is. I owe it to myself to be persistent and somewhat of a nag and I know veterans hate questions from new people, but I dropped a few thousand dollars so I'm just trying to understand what that's doing. I didn't get into mining to get rich, or make a lot of money. I did it more for the hobby and to contribute to the bitcoin industry. Even though I didn't know everything beforehand I was kind of forced to make a decision about spending the money due to hardware not being available all the time, and this is why I spent money prior to not knowing %100 of what's going on. Most people can't or won't even admit they're clueless on what's going on. As long as they see some rewards, they are happy. I'm a little different, I want to know more and have been trying to educate myself as much as I can when I have the time. I've noticed a lot of people on here are here 24/7, don't have jobs or a family or just have a lot of time on their hands. Unfortunately I can't spend all day online trying to educate myself on everything, and I come back when I can to absorb when I can at the moment...so please have patience and understand we all were in the same boat at one point or another. Thank you.

[organofcorti]

AAARGH! WALL OF TEXT!!

Please consider including paragraphs?

[madmax_ger]

anyone got a double payout recently, too?

https://blockchain.info/tx/89fb732aa1eb3f59a6b72ec2b21b2068bcfa76de87339af534d832c22d7f2def
https://blockchain.info/tx/8598ce3fedca8f2cd06e9289856dcd0c111dd9c8cdf690da3075098cbdfeb737

one is confirmed, the other one is not.

I got two mails from blockchain, one for each transaction. both mails include the note "1 confirmation",
so I have to think both transactions should have been balanced with my account.

But they were not - only one transaction was booked.

Any ideas?

[The00Dustin]

anyone got a double payout recently, too?

https://blockchain.info/tx/89fb732aa1eb3f59a6b72ec2b21b2068bcfa76de87339af534d832c22d7f2def
https://blockchain.info/tx/8598ce3fedca8f2cd06e9289856dcd0c111dd9c8cdf690da3075098cbdfeb737

one is confirmed, the other one is not.

I got two mails from blockchain, one for each transaction. both mails include the note "1 confirmation",
so I have to think both transactions should have been balanced with my account.

But they were not - only one transaction was booked.

Any ideas?

Without even following your links, it probably has something to do with the orphaned block mentioned on the previous page...  (You were delivered the Eligius block that had your payment in it that was then orphaned by another pool, so your payment was resent in the next Eligius block, which will actually confirm)

[madmax_ger]

anyone got a double payout recently, too?

https://blockchain.info/tx/89fb732aa1eb3f59a6b72ec2b21b2068bcfa76de87339af534d832c22d7f2def
https://blockchain.info/tx/8598ce3fedca8f2cd06e9289856dcd0c111dd9c8cdf690da3075098cbdfeb737

one is confirmed, the other one is not.

I got two mails from blockchain, one for each transaction. both mails include the note "1 confirmation",
so I have to think both transactions should have been balanced with my account.

But they were not - only one transaction was booked.

Any ideas?

Without even following your links, it probably has something to do with the orphaned block mentioned on the previous page...  (You were delivered the Eligius block that had your payment in it that was then orphaned by another pool, so your payment was resent in the next Eligius block, which will actually confirm)

Perfect, thanks 

[wizkid057]

anyone got a double payout recently, too?

https://blockchain.info/tx/89fb732aa1eb3f59a6b72ec2b21b2068bcfa76de87339af534d832c22d7f2def
https://blockchain.info/tx/8598ce3fedca8f2cd06e9289856dcd0c111dd9c8cdf690da3075098cbdfeb737

one is confirmed, the other one is not.

I got two mails from blockchain, one for each transaction. both mails include the note "1 confirmation",
so I have to think both transactions should have been balanced with my account.

But they were not - only one transaction was booked.

Any ideas?

Without even following your links, it probably has something to do with the orphaned block mentioned on the previous page...  (You were delivered the Eligius block that had your payment in it that was then orphaned by another pool, so your payment was resent in the next Eligius block, which will actually confirm)

Perfect, thanks  

Essentially this is correct, however the payment in the orphaned block in the eyes if the reward system retroactively never happened,  so it may or may not have contained the exact same payouts depending on the shares to be paid at the time of the new block.

The coinbase transaction in the orphaned block can never confirm.

-wk

[Luke-Jr]

I think wizkid057 should reduce the default minimum payout to 40 TBC (0.04194304 BTC) instead of the current 100 TBC.
When I ran Eligius, I was targeting about $20, so this fits with that original goal, at the current price.
Yay/nay?

[wizkid057]

I think wizkid057 should reduce the default minimum payout to 40 TBC (0.04194304 BTC) instead of the current 100 TBC.
When I ran Eligius, I was targeting about $20, so this fits with that original goal, at the current price.
Yay/nay?

Probably a good idea.

[un_ordinateur]

First of all, I must say I really like this pool. I've been mining with you for a few months, and I have had absolutely no problem. A+.
(I felt I needed to say that because of the lot of rants I'm reading on these forum pages)

About the minimum payout: Something I would really like would be able to make auto-payout at a given frequency instead of a given amount. I've chosen my auto-payout amount such as I get payout every two weeks, but I keep adjusting the amount because of the constant increase of difficulty. So I'd be really happy if I could indicate I wish to be paid every two weeks, whatever my balance is at that point.

In any case, if you're to lower the default auto-payout amount from 100 TBC to 40 TBC, then by the same logic, maybe you should reduce the minimum payout amount from 10 TBC to 4 TBC?

One again, thank you for all the hard work!

Thank you!

[Luke-Jr]

About the minimum payout: Something I would really like would be able to make auto-payout at a given frequency instead of a given amount. I've chosen my auto-payout amount such as I get payout every two weeks, but I keep adjusting the amount because of the constant increase of difficulty. So I'd be really happy if I could indicate I wish to be paid every two weeks, whatever my balance is at that point.

I don't think basing your minimum payout on difficulty is a good idea.
You want to have the same size coins coming in, as going out.
So if you spent $1 amounts all the time, it makes sense to have payouts around $1 worth of bitcoins.
On the other hand, if you buy more products at $500 value, you'd want a minimum payout close to that.
$20 value seems like a reasonable expected-spending price, hence the default.

Side note: Contrary to popular myth, difficulty increases do not influence price. Price does influence difficulty to a degree, but difficulty is so far behind price right now that it's not a good feedback loop.