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[bible_pay]

I checked out the PoG guide

I believe I need to set tithe=1 in the config file to activate PoG

Q: How do I set the tithe amount to the daily amount I wish to give?

TIA
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On a side note the automatic option only tithes if its profitable (see titheinfo to see the ROI figure, its about 16% or so usually).
The only way to control it manually is to turn off auto (tithe=0) then send manual tithes, but of course that would be very tedious with the consistent high diff level.

To get a feel of the total per day see the "pog pool" and whatever your entry ends up being in 24 hours is roughly what the wallet is auto tithing.

Tx for the reply

However, the point of my q is to ensure that auto-tithe cannot not send the entire content of my BBP wallet - due to a glitch or other
So, I will ask again - is there a default amount (or a max amount ) that will be sent by auto-tithe?

TIA
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EDIT:  The max it will send is 300 bbp.  Per auto tithe instance.

Other than that, you would have to shut it off as there is no governor per day at this point.

[Dimarzio123]

I checked out the PoG guide

I believe I need to set tithe=1 in the config file to activate PoG

Q: How do I set the tithe amount to the daily amount I wish to give?

TIA
PM

On a side note the automatic option only tithes if its profitable (see titheinfo to see the ROI figure, its about 16% or so usually).
The only way to control it manually is to turn off auto (tithe=0) then send manual tithes, but of course that would be very tedious with the consistent high diff level.

To get a feel of the total per day see the "pog pool" and whatever your entry ends up being in 24 hours is roughly what the wallet is auto tithing.

Tx for the reply

However, the point of my q is to ensure that auto-tithe cannot not send the entire content of my BBP wallet - due to a glitch or other
So, I will ask again - is there a default amount (or a max amount ) that will be sent by auto-tithe?

TIA
PM

EDIT:  The max it will send is 300 bbp.  Per auto tithe instance.

Other than that, you would have to shut it off as there is no governor per day at this point.

Tx for the update - is that 300 BBP once per day?

Maybe I will create another wallet on a second PC with 10k BBP to see how it goes
In this scenario, should I create a different worker ID in my biblepay.org account?

TIA
PM

[bible_pay]

I checked out the PoG guide

I believe I need to set tithe=1 in the config file to activate PoG

Q: How do I set the tithe amount to the daily amount I wish to give?

TIA
PM

On a side note the automatic option only tithes if its profitable (see titheinfo to see the ROI figure, its about 16% or so usually).
The only way to control it manually is to turn off auto (tithe=0) then send manual tithes, but of course that would be very tedious with the consistent high diff level.

To get a feel of the total per day see the "pog pool" and whatever your entry ends up being in 24 hours is roughly what the wallet is auto tithing.

Tx for the reply

However, the point of my q is to ensure that auto-tithe cannot not send the entire content of my BBP wallet - due to a glitch or other
So, I will ask again - is there a default amount (or a max amount ) that will be sent by auto-tithe?

TIA
PM

EDIT:  The max it will send is 300 bbp.  Per auto tithe instance.

Other than that, you would have to shut it off as there is no governor per day at this point.

Tx for the update - is that 300 BBP once per day?

Maybe I will create another wallet on a second PC with 10k BBP to see how it goes
In this scenario, should I create a different worker ID in my biblepay.org account?

TIA
PM

So the auto tithe feature will tithe from 1-300 bbp depending on the POG Difficulty, and on your applicable coin age.  Please type 'titheinfo' and see how many coins you have that meet the diff level.  If you had 1 coin, and the diff was 32767 , the wallet would tithe 150 for example (see this chart:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Proof-of-Giving-for-Beginners

in the difficulty chart area).


Were having a pretty good pog day so fortunately you will be able to see this in prod within 15 blocks, as it looks like our pog diff is about to drop very soon today (IE down to 10K or so).
This would allow people with less coin age to auto-tithe.

So the answer is it depends on your coin age and the POG diff at each block during the day.  Each block the diff changes.

As far as the pool, if you are nervous and want to segregate out one dedicated machine for tithing, you could also add a pool worker if you want, thats completely up to you .

[secoccular]

I was told, and believe, that the extra bandwidth usage is coming from chain updates because we're all full nodes. I have 25 wallets of different coins, and none of them will touch the usage of BBP client.

 Not sure why it only updates in outgoing direction. One would think the communication would be two-way, which makes me wonder about what's happening.

Typically, about 1GB per day, and we are metered here, so it eats into the monthly allotment.


So with the end of heat mining, can we expect our network usage to go down also? Or will it always be like this?

Well we are all full nodes with the full chain, but we are only full nodes if we have a firewall forwarding port 40000 to the fullnode.
If you look at tools | info, see if you have inbound connections.  That will tell you if you are servicing other nodes both ways (IE accepting new users connections, people who aren't synced yet).

But lets try to hone in on this - you having multiple wallets will be very valuable to diagnose this.  Could you take a look at the tools | network traffic tab in biblepay, and compare it for 24 hours to one of your other popular coins and tell us the difference in outbound traffic?  

As far as the future, we are technically retiring podc (not heat mining, actually heat mining would be getting more popular with us- since more POBH users will jump on for POG).  The only bandwidth change would be less consumed by boinc and the boinc client and the boinc programs.  You would see an increase in node count, but this new bandwidth draw would be shared across the new nodes also.

Id like to know the baselines first before we assign a dev to add the feature that monitors the bandwidth by messagetype.

I'll set up a test today. Just need to remember which wallets have a built-in network monitor.

Is the monitor in BBP client for the whole machine, or just the BBP's usage?

[bible_pay]

I was told, and believe, that the extra bandwidth usage is coming from chain updates because we're all full nodes. I have 25 wallets of different coins, and none of them will touch the usage of BBP client.

 Not sure why it only updates in outgoing direction. One would think the communication would be two-way, which makes me wonder about what's happening.

Typically, about 1GB per day, and we are metered here, so it eats into the monthly allotment.


So with the end of heat mining, can we expect our network usage to go down also? Or will it always be like this?

Well we are all full nodes with the full chain, but we are only full nodes if we have a firewall forwarding port 40000 to the fullnode.
If you look at tools | info, see if you have inbound connections.  That will tell you if you are servicing other nodes both ways (IE accepting new users connections, people who aren't synced yet).

But lets try to hone in on this - you having multiple wallets will be very valuable to diagnose this.  Could you take a look at the tools | network traffic tab in biblepay, and compare it for 24 hours to one of your other popular coins and tell us the difference in outbound traffic?  

As far as the future, we are technically retiring podc (not heat mining, actually heat mining would be getting more popular with us- since more POBH users will jump on for POG).  The only bandwidth change would be less consumed by boinc and the boinc client and the boinc programs.  You would see an increase in node count, but this new bandwidth draw would be shared across the new nodes also.

Id like to know the baselines first before we assign a dev to add the feature that monitors the bandwidth by messagetype.

I'll set up a test today. Just need to remember which wallets have a built-in network monitor.

Is the monitor in BBP client for the whole machine, or just the BBP's usage?

Just for BBP.

[sunk818]

There's been some reports of block chain needing complete resynchronize after upgrade to 1185 so that will eat up your outgoing to help someone get synced up.

Windows 10 has bandwidth meter so you can use that to see incoming and outgoing as well. Just make sure to reset stats first.

I'd wait to do meter test until mandatory calms down. Or at least know your current results don't reflect typical network usage and not to reach conclusions based on your results.

[orbis]

Hi,
as there were many question about POG, I've promised that I make a translation of Rob's POG guide to Slovak. I've made it and I add some of my comments to make it easier for users to understand. Here is a link for that: http://bit. ly/BBP_POG_sk
Rob, after some comments and correction (if they will be) you can add it to wiki if you want.
Takže slováci ak chcete, tak to pozrite, skontrolujte, komentujte a môžeme o tom podebatovať napr. na SK/CZ FB. Určite tam bude niečo, čo som napísal ako nepochopiteľnú blbosť

[orbis]

Regarding the network data consumption it is still the same as before. Big amount of data more than 1MB per minute. Its 1,5 GB daily, it means 45 GB monthly data consumption (tithe=1, gen=1) per one Wallet. So its not usable for users which have some monthly data limitation from their internet provider.

add it to github todo HAHAHA

I wrote about that last year already. Dev said (here on BTT) that in POG version will be small data consumption. Probably this is still not yet fullfilled what means another barrier for new perspective users.

No but POG uses 0 bandwidth.  

What we need to do is determine if your traffic is inbound, outbound, for block inventory or governance objects.

How many inbound and outbound connections do you have on your node?   Its under connections : Inbound N / Outbound Y.

Also, just to clarify, does BiblePay's Network Monitor screen match your bandwidth use?  IE do we show 1.5 gig of use in the network monitor in one day?  If so what is the breakdown?

Rob, it looks that we all here (maybe in Slovakia) has "good" peers. I checked my wallet. Runs for 3 hours. received 10MB, sent 190MB. Almost all it is outbound traffic. I've checked it with process monitor and it looks that it's all just sending blockchain to others. Here is a small piece of traffic screen: https://prnt.sc/miid5a

[bible_pay]

There's been some reports of block chain needing complete resynchronize after upgrade to 1185 so that will eat up your outgoing to help someone get synced up.

Windows 10 has bandwidth meter so you can use that to see incoming and outgoing as well. Just make sure to reset stats first.

I'd wait to do meter test until mandatory calms down. Or at least know your current results don't reflect typical network usage and not to reach conclusions based on your results.

I would rather not tell people to use win10 as a bandwidth meter as that is for the machine and all ports.

People are claiming BBP is using bandwidth. 

We want to monitor port 40,000 and just the BBP usage.

[bible_pay]

Regarding the network data consumption it is still the same as before. Big amount of data more than 1MB per minute. Its 1,5 GB daily, it means 45 GB monthly data consumption (tithe=1, gen=1) per one Wallet. So its not usable for users which have some monthly data limitation from their internet provider.

add it to github todo HAHAHA

I wrote about that last year already. Dev said (here on BTT) that in POG version will be small data consumption. Probably this is still not yet fullfilled what means another barrier for new perspective users.

No but POG uses 0 bandwidth.  

What we need to do is determine if your traffic is inbound, outbound, for block inventory or governance objects.

How many inbound and outbound connections do you have on your node?   Its under connections : Inbound N / Outbound Y.

Also, just to clarify, does BiblePay's Network Monitor screen match your bandwidth use?  IE do we show 1.5 gig of use in the network monitor in one day?  If so what is the breakdown?

Rob, it looks that we all here (maybe in Slovakia) has "good" peers. I checked my wallet. Runs for 3 hours. received 10MB, sent 190MB. Almost all it is outbound traffic. I've checked it with process monitor and it looks that it's all just sending blockchain to others. Here is a small piece of traffic screen: https://prnt.sc/miid5a

Nice, that looks pretty good.

Now can we see someone capture a few hours for another coin, and see what % we are in comparison to the baseline?

200 meg does seem a little high since we only have 100,000 blocks.  But we do need a baseline to compare to.

[shorty34]

  "Start block": 100163,
  "End block": 100368,
  "High Tithe": 20178,
  "Total Tithes": 137185.1176428,
  "Total Participants": 57,
  "POG Difficulty": 419232.6497235719,


Does that mean tithers today will lose money ?
 

[sunk818]

Can you explain how PoG relates with PoBH?

So, in biblepay.conf, all you really need are three lines?

tithe=1
gen=1
nickname=orphan_supporter

gen=1 is making hashes... does this use up all the cpu threads? also, you don't need cpid for this?

[sunk818]

Also, someone on Discord asked if you set it for tithe=1 does the wallet check every 4 hours to attempt a tithe, or will it tithe ASAP if more than 4 hours have elapsed? For example, let's say I tithed 3 hours ago... but the PoG difficulty is so high, I won't be able to tithe until 3 hours later (6 total hours elapse). When the 6th hour is approached, will the auto tithe fire off a donation?

[SVK Noko]

Can you explain how PoG relates with PoBH?

So, in biblepay.conf, all you really need are three lines?

tithe=1
gen=1
nickname=orphan_supporter

gen=1 is making hashes... does this use up all the cpu threads? also, you don't need cpid for this?

Nickname is mandatory or optional?

[sunk818]

Nickname is mandatory or optional?

Optional, but it is nice to have.

 "Start block": 100163,
  "End block": 100368,
  "High Tithe": 20178,
  "Total Tithes": 137185.1176428,
  "Total Participants": 57,
  "POG Difficulty": 419232.6497235719,


Does that mean tithers today will lose money ?
  

this is what I'm showing.... 325k BBP doesn't look right to me. Just looking at pogpool that values don't add up. I wonder if 24 hr calculation looks at all donations made to BBP Orphan Foundation (pog tithe & non-pog donation)?

Code:

13:45:08

{
  "24_hour_tithes": 325374.4865712,
  "pog_difficulty": 420629.3417186383,
  "min_coin_age": 60,
  "min_coin_amt": 25000,
  "max_tithe_amount": 1,
  "Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
  "Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
  "Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
  "Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
  "Tithability_Amount": 0,
  "Tithability_Summary": "NO",
  "Tithe_Cap": 50694,
  "Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
  "Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
  "Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
  "Highest_ROI%": -165
}

[bible_pay]

  "Start block": 100163,
  "End block": 100368,
  "High Tithe": 20178,
  "Total Tithes": 137185.1176428,
  "Total Participants": 57,
  "POG Difficulty": 419232.6497235719,


Does that mean tithers today will lose money ?
 

Yes, basically it does mean that it is now unprofitable to tithe the rest of the day, as the pool took in 110K or so and pays out 92K.
The confusing thing we have going on right now is some of our reports are based on 40 blocks, some 205.  This is confusing.

I'll take a look at this as a high priority.

Fortunately I think we can fix both issues we have as a leisure.

Basically what we have going on is our difficulty swings too fast to 0.  Im working on an idea now and trying to do this in a way where we don't need a mandatory upgrade for the exchanges as a stopgap between now and when we vote the PODC vote.

[bible_pay]

Can you explain how PoG relates with PoBH?

So, in biblepay.conf, all you really need are three lines?

tithe=1
gen=1
nickname=orphan_supporter

gen=1 is making hashes... does this use up all the cpu threads? also, you don't need cpid for this?

Nickname is mandatory or optional?

Optional.

[bible_pay]

Can you explain how PoG relates with PoBH?

So, in biblepay.conf, all you really need are three lines?

tithe=1
gen=1
nickname=orphan_supporter

gen=1 is making hashes... does this use up all the cpu threads? also, you don't need cpid for this?

So gen=1 is just interpreted once by biblepay, it tells the miner to turn on (btw, gen=1 is the default with POG) we list it in case someone has gen=0 in their file (as that would turn the miner Off).
Anyway, genproclimit is what controls the threadcount.
With POG, it only uses thread 0.
By default with POG the genproclimit=1.
So it only uses 1% or so of the cpu by default.  You can increase it if you want and you will do more pow solo mining (for the reaper reward).
The CPID sign check is now disabled, so you can run the POBH miner without a cpid now.

[bible_pay]

Also, someone on Discord asked if you set it for tithe=1 does the wallet check every 4 hours to attempt a tithe, or will it tithe ASAP if more than 4 hours have elapsed? For example, let's say I tithed 3 hours ago... but the PoG difficulty is so high, I won't be able to tithe until 3 hours later (6 total hours elapse). When the 6th hour is approached, will the auto tithe fire off a donation?

Looking at the code, it only does the getdifficulty and applicability check once every 4 hours (with auto on).  So yes, they would miss out on tithing if the diff drops while their miner is not checking.  So in their case they should probably do the tithe=10.

[cuarc001]

Maybe Australia or some island have bandwidth usage issue. But it is unlimited where I live. I don't push more than 500gb a month either way for  total monthly usage. And that includes Netflix streaming.. I don't really see the bandwidth argument as a stumbling block.

Just to be clear... even in the USA there are a lot of internet providers going to tiered data limits. Mediacom for example started doing it probably 5 or so years ago. Their entry level cable plan only allows for 400GB of data each month. Just a year or 2 back that was as little as 250GB. My in-laws that only use it to stream netflix and pay bills used to come close to tapping out their 250GB limits. So, if BBP wallet is responsible for 45GB+ each month, it is no laughing matter. That kind of bandwidth could go to running "beermoney" applications and earn more with less power depending on the app and month. I'm hoping that the data isn't really that much but rather factoring in their contribution to DC. Rosetta tends to have work units that require more disk space than a lot of projects. So, if people are contributing to that project currently, they should feel a pinch on the data traffic. I'm curious to see the results people find.