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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 875472 times)
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April 22, 2014, 08:13:42 AM
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Can't wait hearing similar words about HashLast - I have a feeling that this will happen soon.

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Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.
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April 22, 2014, 08:16:28 AM
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HashFast take note because this is where you will end up if you don't change your ways.
They won't, but it's really really nice to that Sonny will go back to jail.
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April 22, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
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According to BFL's tax returns, the company lost more than $800,000 in 2012
Tax returns are public in Italy. Too bad they are not in the US.
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April 22, 2014, 09:09:47 AM
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(in other words, in the end it will become difficult for HF to self mine, since that they can't keep adding MWs of power and keep it safely hidden)
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And maybe that's why they are now using Garret/VMC. Hide it where everyone can see it, they say...

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April 22, 2014, 12:51:58 PM
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Do you guys know if there were actual refunds confirmed to be received by anyone here?

If so:

When they requested the refund and what was the batch/order number?
How long did they wait to receive it?
Did they sign "refund release" fu*k off form?

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There was one person in batch one that said they took the refund.  Also based on HashFast's response to one of the consumer complaints submitted to the CA attorney general they said the refunded in the low 5 digits in $'s worth of orders so I would say that a solid 4-6 people have probably gotten a refund.

Thanks for the information.
I hope they end up in jail then
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April 22, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
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A good article on Ars Technica covering BFL's business practices:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

HashFast take note because this is where you will end up if you don't change your ways.

I've been a day 1 BFL customer and a day 1 HF customer. I can honestly say that my experience with HF was/is worse and the losses greater. Not only has HF broken their stated promises, they lied directly into my face and accused me of being a windfall seeker.




This is a awesome article. I wonder how many complaints about HF have been submited to Consumer Sentinel.
BFL's fraudsters seem to be a bunch of fraud amateurs in comparison to HF.
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April 22, 2014, 05:15:32 PM
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Guys, please submit your complaint to government's agency Consumer Sentinel Network:

http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/consumer-sentinel-network

Here is how to file a complaint for consumer:
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0341-file-complaint-ftc
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April 22, 2014, 05:19:17 PM
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Please submit it directly to the AG of California, thank you.

https://oag.ca.gov/

(that website has been offline since the heartbleed bug discovery, sad way of fixing a webserver, however there are some webforms that you can download and send by ordinary mail):

http://web.archive.org/web/20140421080305/http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/contact/business_corpform.pdf

If you need some suggestions on what to write on the complain just read hashfast.org or ask for a suggestion here. I'm personally writing a 4 pages document that i find really interesting (this wasn't the purpose, but it could probably serve this well as well).
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April 22, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
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I submited my detailed complaint to Federal Trade Commission.

Now I will do yours. Thanks
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April 23, 2014, 12:49:53 AM
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Haha, it looks like Advanced Mining Technology is being hunted by law too:

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware-maker-amt-facing-court-delays/
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April 23, 2014, 01:52:13 AM
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So what happens from here?

Time is going to keep passing by and we are going to get nothing. 


 
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April 23, 2014, 05:38:22 AM
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did anybody already received the upgrade kit (for batch 1 orders)?
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April 23, 2014, 06:04:25 AM
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Nope


 
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April 23, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
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No one have receive their refund since batch 1 customers.. They provide to batch 1 customers refund in usd because they dont want to pay in btc. And now batch 2 - batch 3 still dont have any refund.

Ass holes should be lock up, they also delete messages from people that asking normal question why they ignore.. on FB. and they deleted.. no response at twitter.. we should look them up and take them personaly to jail


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April 23, 2014, 02:07:23 PM
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No one have receive their refund since batch 1 customers.. They provide to batch 1 customers refund in usd because they dont want to pay in btc. And now batch 2 - batch 3 still dont have any refund.

Ass holes should be lock up, they also delete messages from people that asking normal question why they ignore.. on FB. and they deleted.. no response at twitter.. we should look them up and take them personaly to jail

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At one point Amy abascal was replying to hashfast customers. That doesn't seem the case anymore.
Does anyone know where these people are in the world to track down?
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April 23, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
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we should look them up and take them personaly to jail
That's what the AG of California is for. Gently bring people to jail.
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April 23, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
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Problem is actually raising the problem to the relevant authority, one case came close and was dismissed. To the point hashfast then boasted about it on their site, twitter and Facebook.
Legally wise they could be sitting on this datacenter without anyone knowing, raking in the money and when the time comes it will amount to a small fee that they can pay off with the equipment that we bought last year and they know this.
The justice system just seems to slow and nothing seems to be progressing with hashfast.
What we need to find out is what will it take to get hashfast to get their act together. They have no chance with credibility anymore but they do need to sort out what is actually going on.
7 more days until another failed delivery!
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April 23, 2014, 03:29:33 PM
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Problem is actually raising the problem to the relevant authority, one case came close and was dismissed. To the point hashfast then boasted about it on their site, twitter and Facebook.
Legally wise they could be sitting on this datacenter without anyone knowing, raking in the money and when the time comes it will amount to a small fee that they can pay off with the equipment that we bought last year and they know this.
The justice system just seems to slow and nothing seems to be progressing with hashfast.
What we need to find out is what will it take to get hashfast to get their act together. They have no chance with credibility anymore but they do need to sort out what is actually going on.
7 more days until another failed delivery!
The case was not dismissed, a lawyer just replied to a criminal agency's inquiry.    If you write to the AG and detail out your experience (and it is similar to others) where representatives of HashFast lied to induce your purchase (ie.  they gave you a solid delivery date that the AG can prove was impossible) then it is fraud.    They are now selling the chips that pre-orders paid for and not providing refunds.   that can be considered fraud too.   Include where you made the payment so the AG can demand that HF provide proof of where you money went after it was sent.   
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, you have NAMES to address your complaint at the AG's office to.    The lawyers that sent the first inquiry were:

Public Inquiry Unit, Attention: Kimberly Christophersen, Lupe Zinzun, J. Bryan

These people are already familiar with HF and their lawyer's response so when more complaints come in telling a similar story, they will realize this is fraud and will push harder.

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April 23, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
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This is the bit i don't understand, in the uk, if someone is accused of fraud then trading standards would be all over their ass.
Do you not have this sort of thing in the US?
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April 23, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
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This is the bit i don't understand, in the uk, if someone is accused of fraud then trading standards would be all over their ass.
Do you not have this sort of thing in the US?
The attorney general is a little more political in each state.   However, if they received a number of complaints telling similar stories and when they investigated, they found the facts to be true, they would "be all over their asses"....
People need to type up their whole experience, explain why they feel this is a fraudulent crime (if you were lied to during the sales process or if you have been refused a refund etc) and put down their contact information so the AG can contact you.   

NO ONE SHOULD JUST RANDOMLY MAIL THIS IN.   YOU HAVE THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE FIRST INQUIRY, ADDRESS IT TO THOSE PEOPLE.    And the first complainant should ADD to his complaint on why he feels they are wrong.

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