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June 12, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
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Ok so to summarise things:

If you are not listed on the list of creditors disclosed lately, then you have to fill the proof of claim form which is here: https://ecf.canb.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/autoFilingClaims.pl, to make sure that you are included in the list of creditors.

If you are already listed on the same list of creditors, then there is nothing to be done as Jessica M. Mickelsen will take care of our case and try to get back our refunds.

Is that summary correct?

As we have only 2 days left as others say, I would like to know for what purpose we have 2 days left... Is it only to make sure that we are on that list?




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June 12, 2014, 04:21:30 PM
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Some other questions:

- Is the claim reserved to US citizens, or is it also open to foreigners?

- If we fill the claim, what are we exposing to: pay some fees (how much), have to present ourselves to the court, etc...

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June 12, 2014, 04:23:17 PM
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Ok so to summarise things:
If you are not listed on the list of creditors disclosed lately, then you have to fill the proof of claim form which is here: https://ecf.canb.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/autoFilingClaims.pl, to make sure that you are included in the list of creditors.
If you are already listed on the same list of creditors, then there is nothing to be done as Jessica M. Mickelsen will take care of our case and try to get back our refunds.
Is that summary correct?
As we have only 2 days left as others say, I would like to know for what purpose we have 2 days left... Is it only to make sure that we are on that list?
If you are on the list of creditors, you should fill in the proof of claim form now even though you have tons of time (months) because it is better to get it done in case your forget later.   Otherwise, correct.   If you are not on the list you need to tell them (and the sooner the better I would think).    The "deadline" is not really a deadline for that, it is the day they are forming the creditors committee.


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June 12, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).

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June 12, 2014, 07:37:49 PM
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I personally did not count on any mpp stuff.. I just want my original purchase payment.

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June 12, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I made a second claim and stated four times the price of the (undelivered) upgrade kit for the MPP. Worth a try imo. The whole thing's pointless anyways probably.
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June 12, 2014, 08:20:59 PM
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Link to creditor matrix.  Comments allowed on document.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4g8D3nvEYDzajhuTzJTWmZWM3c/edit?usp=sharing

Here are links to the other documents in case anyone did not get them or want to look at them:

List of top 20 Creditors being considered for the committee, if you are owed 100k or more you should try to sign up... maybe even use the BTC value as your claim, can't hurt...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4g8D3nvEYDzMS1CUHdUcThzcDQ/edit?usp=sharing

Committee instruction sheet
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4g8D3nvEYDzTk1GQ1dqT2xhdFU/edit?usp=sharing

Notice of formation doc
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4g8D3nvEYDzcnZ3SUZXbzFfNEE/edit?usp=sharing
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June 12, 2014, 08:38:39 PM
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?
In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).
I personally did not count on any mpp stuff.. I just want my original purchase payment.
I was wondering if people who were just owed MPP would be on the creditor sheet or not.    You would have to ask an attorney because I am not sure if that is a claim or a warranty.   I think warranties do not get honored (but I do not know that for a fact and have not paid to ask our lawyer since it does not affect us)


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June 12, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
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Ok so to summarise things:

If you are not listed on the list of creditors disclosed lately, then you have to fill the proof of claim form which is here: https://ecf.canb.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/autoFilingClaims.pl, to make sure that you are included in the list of creditors.

If you are already listed on the same list of creditors, then there is nothing to be done as Jessica M. Mickelsen will take care of our case and try to get back our refunds.

Is that summary correct?

As we have only 2 days left as others say, I would like to know for what purpose we have 2 days left... Is it only to make sure that we are on that list?







If you're on the list, I guess it wouldn't hurt to also file the proof of claim already.

Actually Jessica M. Mickelsen is HashFast's attorney, so she probably won't take care of us Smiley

The 2 days left is also the opportunity window to fill in the documents in order to be selectable for the creditor's commitee.

At least this is all my understanding.



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June 13, 2014, 02:51:44 AM
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I made a second claim and stated four times the price of the (undelivered) upgrade kit for the MPP. Worth a try imo. The whole thing's pointless anyways probably.

when you file the second claim, will your previous claim become void?

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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I made a second claim and stated four times the price of the (undelivered) upgrade kit for the MPP. Worth a try imo. The whole thing's pointless anyways probably.

I think this is reasonable (upgrade board sold for $1500 each, i.e. MPP for one BJ = $6000).  And that people should claim it.  I will.  I think it's also more than a warranty.  Hashfast said that the full MPP was triggered and it acknowledged that they owed us the hardware.  I see absolutely no reason not to claim it.

I would also really, really encourage people that don't appear on the list to make a claim and tell the Trustee that Hashfast didn't list them.

In fact, since between us we have all of Hashfast mailing list (as of a few weeks ago), why not send out a mass e-mail (once per alphabetical section) alerting them to this?  There are surely people not following this thread.
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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I made a second claim and stated four times the price of the (undelivered) upgrade kit for the MPP. Worth a try imo. The whole thing's pointless anyways probably.

I think this is reasonable (upgrade board sold for $1500 each, i.e. MPP for one BJ = $6000).  And that people should claim it.  I will.  I think it's also more than a warranty.  Hashfast said that the full MPP was triggered and it acknowledged that they owed us the hardware.  I see absolutely no reason not to claim it.

I would also really, really encourage people that don't appear on the list to make a claim and tell the Trustee that Hashfast didn't list them.

In fact, since between us we have all of Hashfast mailing list (as of a few weeks ago), why not send out a mass e-mail (once per alphabetical section) alerting them to this?  There are surely people not following this thread.


I think this is a good choice. HF intrude users' privacy first, and we write to inform users to protect their rights.

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How to calculate the 'Amount of Claim' on the proof of claim form?

In my case specifically - What should be the claim value for undelivered MPP? (1.6TH/s worth of boards).



I made a second claim and stated four times the price of the (undelivered) upgrade kit for the MPP. Worth a try imo. The whole thing's pointless anyways probably.

when you file the second claim, will your previous claim become void?

As far as I understood no. You can refer to the first claim for any following. Address etc. will be taken from the original.

Note to the non US folks: the form cannot be completed without filling in a US state.

By the way, thanks for posting the link to the form Smiley
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June 13, 2014, 06:24:29 PM
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Well I think at this point we will most likely not see anything as far as hardware goes and if we do it will be months before that happens.

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Well I think at this point we will most likely not see anything as far as hardware goes and if we do it will be months before that happens.

still hopeful huh?

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Well I think at this point we will most likely not see anything as far as hardware goes and if we do it will be months before that happens.

still hopeful huh?

Not really, I was hopefull when amy was manning twitter and giving me updates via DM

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Well I think at this point we will most likely not see anything as far as hardware goes and if we do it will be months before that happens.

still hopeful huh?

Not really, I was hopefull when amy was manning twitter and giving me updates via DM

Why were you hopeful then?  The documents that are public so far suggests they had given up on delivering systems and were trying to get everyone to swap for chips by then.
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That government form is not allowing me to register my proper address. It does not accept non US states or zip codes. Should I fax proof of claim to Jessica Mickelsen's fax number  as listed on the creditor matrix?

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That government form is not allowing me to register my proper address. It does not accept non US states or zip codes. Should I fax proof of claim to Jessica Mickelsen's fax number  as listed on the creditor matrix?

No, the hardcopy of the proof of claim has to be filed via standard mail, unfortunately.

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That government form is not allowing me to register my proper address. It does not accept non US states or zip codes. Should I fax proof of claim to Jessica Mickelsen's fax number  as listed on the creditor matrix?

No, the hardcopy of the proof of claim has to be filed via standard mail, unfortunately.

Ah ok, no problem then. I will take care of that ASAP. Then I guess it goes to "Tracy Hope Davis  UNITED STATES TRUSTEE"

I'll fax AND mail him proof.

Damn you hashfast for screwing us _and_ inconveniencing us by forgetting to add some of us to your creditor matrix.




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