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May 23, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
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Has it occurred to you that LB prepaid 6 MILLION dollars and no one else did? Not even close? That it is basically LB that bank rolled all of HashFast?  Perhaps it has occurred to you that LB is just as much of a victim as any of us, and that they are fighting for their survival because of HF's treachery and crookedness?

LB has indicated during the conference that they wanted to create a mine that would encompass all of the creditors, on a pro-rata basis if an agreement could be reached on the terms.  This is what they had dealt with HF: a percentage of the mining back to HF.  This time, it would be to the smaller creditors instead.  So far they ARE BY FAR the largest creditors, with the most at stake.  They are the ones who are loosing the most, and paying the most in legal fees against HF, and you are falling on them?  WHY?

OF COURSE, none of this will happen if we confuse the enemy for them instead of HF.  LB so far has been efficiently active, quiet and respectful.  Is it because they invested incredibly large amounts that you are now hitting on them before even asking what their intentions might be?  Greg is an upstanding guy and has been a fair player in the community for years.  That in itself says more than most can say.

Instead of bashing and attacking blindly, I would encourage you to recognize potential allies that do seem to know what they are doing.
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May 23, 2014, 04:10:08 PM
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LB has indicated during the conference that they wanted to create a mine that would encompass all of the creditors, on a pro-rata basis if an agreement could be reached on the terms.

What conference?

As I said in my post above, I don't want to bash them too much, because we don't known their position yet. However given the previous experience with huge companies whose only goal is to profit stealing from the other, well, let me doubt.

If what you say is correct, I will make a statue to LB. Literelaly. Even if I don't known how to do it, it will be my new hobby, instead of posting here. Deal? Smiley

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May 23, 2014, 04:23:04 PM
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1) You won't be able to recover any BTC wallet. Not even the 3000 BTC one you could known the name of the owner of with a simple subpoena to Bitstamp.

Maybe. And yes, you probably can't compel a person to reveal the private key for a wallet.  But if they don't, and those are resources that a federal court says should be divided among creditors, you can probably throw the owner in jail.  You know, and there are some good people in government. With the right conditions, the kind of guy that investigates white collar crime might love this case.  Doing forensics to find out where white collar criminals hide money is a specialty of some people. Like people that prosecute the Mob. Let's hope they get involved.

2) The IP is under another company and it won't be immediate to get access to it. They have probably sold it already 10 times to other different companies in the last 2 days if we known Edward. Yes, the trustee should be able to reverse that, but it's not immediate, and it could go wrong. They had months to get ready for this event. They certainly known a lot we don't.

I am sure they will try their best to keep the IP by arguing it is separate.  That's Simon's future.  But if Hashfast's resources were used to develop it, and I'm sure they were, then they can't keep it their own.  There may be very traceable patent applications.  If a federal court demands that they turn over the assets, refusing to do so will land them in serious trouble.  They will not be defying some guys on an internet forum anymore, they would be defying a federal judge, typically the kind of person that doesn't like to be defied and has the means to break you will.


3) LB has tens of millions at stake. They won't just be kind with us. They have all the interest to destroy us. Now, the post of Will@IceDrill yesterday suggests otherwise, since that they certainly talked, but who knowns?

Yes, there are competing interests.  But again, they have got to do a cost benefit analysis.  It may turn out the way you fear but let's not presume that.  They may decide that it's better not to fight and to instead cooperate with us, in order to reduce their losses.

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May 23, 2014, 05:51:44 PM
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Has it occurred to you that LB prepaid 6 MILLION dollars and no one else did? Not even close? That it is basically LB that bank rolled all of HashFast?  Perhaps it has occurred to you that LB is just as much of a victim as any of us, and that they are fighting for their survival because of HF's treachery and crookedness?

LB has indicated during the conference that they wanted to create a mine that would encompass all of the creditors, on a pro-rata basis if an agreement could be reached on the terms.  This is what they had dealt with HF: a percentage of the mining back to HF.  This time, it would be to the smaller creditors instead.  So far they ARE BY FAR the largest creditors, with the most at stake.  They are the ones who are loosing the most, and paying the most in legal fees against HF, and you are falling on them?  WHY?

OF COURSE, none of this will happen if we confuse the enemy for them instead of HF.  LB so far has been efficiently active, quiet and respectful.  Is it because they invested incredibly large amounts that you are now hitting on them before even asking what their intentions might be?  Greg is an upstanding guy and has been a fair player in the community for years.  That in itself says more than most can say.

Instead of bashing and attacking blindly, I would encourage you to recognize potential allies that do seem to know what they are doing.

Welcome to the forum Liquidbits.

I'll compare legal bills with you any day you would like.  Painting yourself as a hero after you tried to strip all the remaining assets of HF out from under the other creditors in an "efficiently active, quiet and respectful" way isn't going to go very far.
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May 23, 2014, 06:04:26 PM
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Just emailed Gallo's firm with my information and was wondering if he has been good to work with so far?  The retainer of 40% plus fees seems like there really won't be anything left for us in the end.
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May 23, 2014, 06:22:13 PM
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Just emailed Gallo's firm with my information and was wondering if he has been good to work with so far?  The retainer of 40% plus fees seems like there really won't be anything left for us in the end.

I've been working on and off with him for months. It's all talk until something actually happens.

And as far as the 40% retainer.. you think you'll receive ANYTHING from hashfast? This is def the best move to make.

The only way it would be worthwhile is if Gallo guarantees that he will pursue personal claims against the owners and officers of Hashfast.  Without that, you are just throwing money away compared to what you would recover just riding out the bankruptcy.
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May 23, 2014, 07:29:20 PM
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And as far as the 40% retainer.. you think you'll receive ANYTHING from hashfast? This is def the best move to make.

Yes, but after about 3pm today, US west coast time, the old Hashfast will likely cease to exist. 

In Eddie's place there will be a court-appointed manager.  That manager's job will be to fairly allocate Hashfast's remaining assets among its creditors.  (S)He will be responsible to the court, not out for personal gain or responsible to shadowy porn investors, or whatever.

It's your own business, and of course the possibility of upsets exists, but paying 40% of your proceeds to a fat lawyer doesn't seem to make sense.

It's like this, for example:

For Batch 1 Babyjet with unpaid MPP (or insert some other item here, say, for every Batch 3 Sierra), each customer will receive a set amount.  Let's say it's $10.  If you don't hire Gallo, you will basically get your $10 back.  If you do hire Gallo, you will get $6 back.

Yeah, it's more complicated than that, but that's the basic jist.
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May 23, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
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Just emailed Gallo's firm with my information and was wondering if he has been good to work with so far?  The retainer of 40% plus fees seems like there really won't be anything left for us in the end.
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May 23, 2014, 08:01:01 PM
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Maybe everyone with a legitimate interest in the outcome should settle down and resist the urge to speculate about the intentions of any of the parties who have a legal team involved at this point. Casting aspersions won't do anything to further an equitable outcome.

Regardless of their motivation or intent, the intelligence gathered and acted upon by LiquidBits seems to have resulted in preserving the bulk of the remaining assets of Hashfast. Who knows where that inventory would be right now if action was not taken?

My guess is that the LB team is fully aware of how bankruptcy works and will put forth a plan that they could reasonably expect a the other creditors and the trustee to accept. It's not like a trustee is going to just hand over all the assets to a single creditor. Koi and others already have a seat at the table and the creditor list will continue to grow.

As fucked up as things are, this current turn of events might be the least shitty of many potential outcomes. I am actually more optimistic about Hashfast Hashfast 2.0 than I have been in a long time.

I sure hope someone will go down to the hearing and report back with a blow by blow.

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May 23, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
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I don't know if someone other than their lawyers will be there today, but it would be positive if you guys spent some hours of the afternoon together, creditors and HF. What could go wrong?

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May 23, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
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Let's see.... it should have started by now....
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May 23, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
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Cue fat lady!

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Cue fat lady!

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May 23, 2014, 09:54:50 PM
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May 23, 2014, 10:27:01 PM
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Hearing extended until 930am Wednesday.  I'm here now.  $2600 statutory limit for us solo purchasers.  Not sure what this means.  Something about 503b 9.  #duncwaconfused.  Motion by creditors denied.

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May 23, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
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Hearing extended until 930am Wednesday.  I'm here now.  $2600 statutory limit for us solo purchasers.  Not sure what this means.  Something about 503b 9.  #duncwaconfused.  Motion by creditors denied.

503(b)(9), if that's what was mentioned, is a section of the code apparently intended to protect suppliers of goods and services to firms that are going belly up.  Totally armchair here, I know as much about bankruptcy proceedings as I do about speaking Thai, but it suggests to me that there are unpaid suppliers of materials/services to Hashfast that are pressing claim.  That or the judge is creating a time window during which any such suppliers could present themselves.
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May 23, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
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Motion denied? The emergency one to appoint a trustee? Why? Denied or delayed to Wednesday?

It would be great if someone spent some lines once a hearing to update us Smiley

In other words they got another week to hide what can be hidden and to try to find the invoices for the millions of dollars unaccounted for, great!

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May 23, 2014, 10:55:55 PM
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Motion denied? The one to appoint a trustee asap? Why?

There's no way they're coming out of this alive.  I'm sure its a technical delay, maybe to allow additional claims to be presented, or some legal prerequisite to be satisfied, whatever.  Monday is a holiday here, so this is less than 1.5 working days' delay.

Maybe entropy will come by in a while and update us.
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May 23, 2014, 11:05:28 PM
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Hearing extended until 930am Wednesday.  I'm here now.  $2600 statutory limit for us solo purchasers.  Not sure what this means.  Something about 503b 9.  #duncwaconfused.  Motion by creditors denied.

Sounds like they are talking about the priority of the people who are owed money by HF.  As a consumer there appears to be a provision in bankruptcy law to give you priority on a pre-payment or deposit of up to $2,600 that doesn't mean you can recover the rest if you are owed more but you just wouldn't get preference on the remainder.

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Bankruptcy Code Section 507(a)(7) establishes a priority for unsecured claims of individuals arising from Customer Deposits towards the purchase of goods that were not delivered up to a maximum of $2,600.  The remaining portion of the un-refunded deposit would become a general unsecured claim. Consumers owed deposits are only paid after all of the secured creditors and administrative expenses of the bankruptcy (such as bankruptcy lawyers’ fees) are paid.  As priority creditors, holders of deposits would be paid up to $2,600 before any general unsecured obligations of the retailer are satisfied.
http://blog.bdo.com/index.php/2011/06/23/treatment-of-customer-deposits-after-a-retailer-files-for-bankruptcy/

503b9 is about suppliers who are owed money by the bankrupt company and given them preference under certain circumstances.
http://www.burbageweddell.com/bankruptcy-creditor-rights-overview/section-503b9-administrative-expense-claims/

The real question is what the heck did Hashfast _do_ with all that money people gave them to build these chip & machines some large number of which were never delivered.

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May 23, 2014, 11:16:58 PM
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That was an experience!!  I think I'll go back Wednesday.  I sort of felt the pain of the judge trying to wrap his mind around Bitcoin.  I'm all in on cryptocurrencies and remember my "what huh" moment when I first heard about BTC.    I wanted to volunteer my services to help make the court more familiar with the technology and protocol.   

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