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January 14, 2014, 08:17:13 AM
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Sure no problem.

Yes, the board was aware I would be selling (and in fact had been urging me to do so for some time). I don't think anybody was prepared for the way people panicked though. Ron (Ripper) had to jump on reddit and calm people's fears because I was offline at that time. He and I had been discussing my planned sale just a few hours before I announced it.

August 1st is when I qualify for long-term capital gains on my Mastercoins, and therefore I'm more willing to sell when we get there. I did not mean to imply that I would never change my price between now and then.

I REALLY want to work full-time on Mastercoin, and that is what is driving me to do this, painful though it is to see how the price has fallen. The price movement is simply what happens when somebody sells into very thin volume. Hopefully the current price will be a window of opportunity for a few people who've been kicking themselves for missing out on the initial 1Exodus distribution. Smiley

Maybe it would be best to hold a public Dutch Auction to sell off the large block of MSC. An example of a Dutch Auction was the Google IPO.
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January 14, 2014, 10:01:59 AM
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Hopefully the current price will be a window of opportunity for a few people who've been kicking themselves for missing out on the initial 1Exodus distribution. Smiley

Maybe it would be best to hold a public Dutch Auction to sell off the large block of MSC. An example of a Dutch Auction was the Google IPO.

A Dutch Auction is a good idea. Why not? Or sell them for like 2x or 4x the exodus price. You still make money, people feel like it's a great bargin, and mastercoin gets an even larger community.

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January 14, 2014, 10:11:08 AM
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I agree that a Dutch Auction is a good idea:
(1) Buyers will start fighting against each other to buy J.R MSC instead of J.R "chasing" them.
(2) It will be over much quicker letting J.R to start working full time and stabilizing the market.
(3) I think it's worth thinking about trying to do it in a way that is decentralized so 1 strong buyer won't be able to buy all. A rich buyer that is looking for a short term profit can do more "damage" to the market than J.R is currently doing.

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January 14, 2014, 10:30:17 AM
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I agree that a Dutch Auction is a good idea:
(1) Buyers will start fighting against each other to buy J.R MSC instead of J.R "chasing" them.

Exactly. It's the chasing the market down that causes so much panic.

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(2) It will be over much quicker letting J.R to start working full time and stabilizing the market.
It will also feel more fair to people. Even I would be willing to buy more MSC at a certain price.
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(3) I think it's worth thinking about trying to do it in a way that is decentralized so 1 strong buyer won't be able to buy all. A rich buyer that is looking for a short term profit can do more "damage" to the market than J.R is currently doing.

Good point, although I'm not sure how that would be done. It's hard to prove one buy is different from another. Maybe we could identify ourselves with our exodus addresses? Have all initial buyers have a chance to buy more? At least that would be one way of verifying we are most likely separate buyers.


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January 14, 2014, 10:57:05 AM
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(3) I think it's worth thinking about trying to do it in a way that is decentralized so 1 strong buyer won't be able to buy all. A rich buyer that is looking for a short term profit can do more "damage" to the market than J.R is currently doing.

Good point, although I'm not sure how that would be done. It's hard to prove one buy is different from another. Maybe we could identify ourselves with our exodus addresses? Have all initial buyers have a chance to buy more? At least that would be one way of verifying we are most likely separate buyers.

I don't think this is a good idea:
(1) Attracting new buyers is important
(2) It will feel less fair the majority of the MSC community (they are the ones mostly effected by the price drop - Exodus buyers are still making X10 their investment at the current market price)
(3) Exodus buyers themself (about 50 people) are holding roughly 45% of the total MSC.

Maybe a good idea is: only members registered prior 2014 will be able to take part. Rich people can try to buy older accounts but it takes effort and time thus making buying large sums harder.

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January 14, 2014, 11:01:12 AM
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Certain things must be done in a hurry, if we're gonna see 1btc=1msc. eg easy to use wallet, exchange market etc.

And many of these should be done before XCP/Etherium/eMunie/Skycoin/MC2.

what do you think?

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January 14, 2014, 11:06:15 AM
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what do you think?

i think everyone agrees with you.
The sooner the better.
But it doesn't help agreeing.
Developers need to work hard to make it happen.

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January 14, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
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(3) I think it's worth thinking about trying to do it in a way that is decentralized so 1 strong buyer won't be able to buy all. A rich buyer that is looking for a short term profit can do more "damage" to the market than J.R is currently doing.

Good point, although I'm not sure how that would be done. It's hard to prove one buy is different from another. Maybe we could identify ourselves with our exodus addresses? Have all initial buyers have a chance to buy more? At least that would be one way of verifying we are most likely separate buyers.

I don't think this is a good idea:
(1) Attracting new buyers is important
(2) It will feel less fair to people
(3) Exodus buyers themself (about 50 people) are holding 45% of the total MSC.

Maybe a good idea is: only members registered prior 2014 will be able to take part. Rich people can try to buy older accounts but it takes effort and time thus making buying large sums harder.


I didn't mean to imply ONLY exodus people should be allowed to buy, but maybe reserve some for exodus addresses so we can potentially buy more, and if we do, they you can be fairly sure the coins are going to more then one person. IT's not the best system, but just an idea.

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January 14, 2014, 11:25:14 AM
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but maybe reserve some for exodus addresses so we can potentially buy more, and if we do, they you can be fairly sure the coins are going to more then one person

I think the idea of reserving MSC for exodus addresses has more bad implications than good.

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January 14, 2014, 12:39:17 PM
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Look at the Exodus address for the month of August.  There are waaaaay more than 50 Exodus investors.

i don't need to look there. i can look here: http://mastercoin-explorer.com/addresses (Top 50 MSC Address: just add up the  Percentage and subtract J.R holdings)

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January 14, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
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WTS 100 @ 0.1148

PM me..

serious inquiry only

diversifying part of my MSC portfolio


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Peer2peer360 has decided to combine all bids
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we intent to contact all parties who sent in their bids.

thank you all for your patience.

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January 14, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
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Big Announcement:

the dev's have finally reached 100% consensus on transactions after a weekend long hackathon across the 4 Master Protocol implementations:

Masterchain.info
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Masterchest.info
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https://masterchest.info/consensus_masterchestinfodev.aspx

Note there is a slight issue with dev mastercoins vesting to 1EXoDus time stamp calculation but that is being fixed.

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January 14, 2014, 02:37:15 PM
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I agree that a Dutch Auction is a good idea:
(1) Buyers will start fighting against each other to buy J.R MSC instead of J.R "chasing" them.
(2) It will be over much quicker letting J.R to start working full time and stabilizing the market.
(3) I think it's worth thinking about trying to do it in a way that is decentralized so 1 strong buyer won't be able to buy all. A rich buyer that is looking for a short term profit can do more "damage" to the market than J.R is currently doing.
really good optimistic thinking.

don't forget the law of unintended consequences - be careful what you wish for  Wink
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far from panicking..

amongst many of my portfolios that are being diversified.

NXT, PTS, & MSC is the last one to be touched ( my business partner & I are in debate about this)

I believe in decentralized, peer2peer, trustless technology. (we're heavily invested in the most)

Ethereum & XCP are being added to our growing diversified cryptoportfolio.

investing is knowing how to manage risk

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January 14, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
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Big Announcement:

the dev's have finally reached 100% consensus on transactions after a weekend long hackathon across the 4 Master Protocol implementations:

Masterchain.info
Mastercoin-explorer.com
Masterchest.info
Mymastercoins.com




https://masterchest.info/consensus_masterchestinfodev.aspx

Note there is a slight issue with dev mastercoins vesting to 1EXoDus time stamp calculation but that is being fixed.

Great job ! Congrats.

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January 14, 2014, 04:05:33 PM
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Big Announcement:

the dev's have finally reached 100% consensus on transactions after a weekend long hackathon across the 4 Master Protocol implementations:

Masterchain.info
Mastercoin-explorer.com
Masterchest.info
Mymastercoins.com




https://masterchest.info/consensus_masterchestinfodev.aspx

Note there is a slight issue with dev mastercoins vesting to 1EXoDus time stamp calculation but that is being fixed.

Great job ! Congrats.
Wow!!!  Is that the hooker I sent to Zathras' house!!!  She is nice.  She is worth every bitcoin.

is there an agency that supplies escorts of this quality for bitcoin?  link please

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January 14, 2014, 07:34:35 PM
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far from panicking..

amongst many of my portfolios that are being diversified.

NXT, PTS, & MSC is the last one to be touched ( my business partner & I are in debate about this)

I believe in decentralized, peer2peer, trustless technology. (we're heavily invested in the most)

Ethereum & XCP are being added to our growing diversified cryptoportfolio.

investing is knowing how to manage risk

best regards
peer2peer360 Group

I'd be very interested in knowing your portfolio list. We have very similar interests. I haven't seen XCP yet, thanks for the tip.

Edit: looked at XCP, looks interesting, but it seems like using the BTC for development would be a lot more productive than just burning it.
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ElDido you work fast! keep it up.

one more small suggestion:
i think the trade mastercoin button should be at the top tab next to market button.
it's the most used button thus its "annoying" to have to press (i) operation  --> (ii)  trade mastercoin

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January 15, 2014, 07:00:50 AM
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far from panicking..

amongst many of my portfolios that are being diversified.

NXT, PTS, & MSC is the last one to be touched ( my business partner & I are in debate about this)

I believe in decentralized, peer2peer, trustless technology. (we're heavily invested in the most)

Ethereum & XCP are being added to our growing diversified cryptoportfolio.

investing is knowing how to manage risk

best regards
peer2peer360 Group

I'd be very interested in knowing your portfolio list. We have very similar interests. I haven't seen XCP yet, thanks for the tip.

Edit: looked at XCP, looks interesting, but it seems like using the BTC for development would be a lot more productive than just burning it.

I'm staying away from it for precisely this reason.
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Edit: looked at XCP, looks interesting, but it seems like using the BTC for development would be a lot more productive than just burning it.
I'm staying away from it for precisely this reason.
Yeah, just randomly throwing money away doesn't seem like a very good strategy to me.  What are these guys thinking?

I agree its money that could have been used to pay developers.
On the other side with so many scams lately - they thought it’s the best solution.

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